Longest Lasting 9mm?
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From what I recall of the various Military, FBI and other law enforcement trials I read about, the Sig 226 came out on top with the Beretta 92 in second. CZ bowed out fairly early, and glock did so-so, as I recall.
The XD and M&P show good potential, but are very new and lack any large volume independent testing like a military trial.
The XD and M&P show good potential, but are very new and lack any large volume independent testing like a military trial.
searcher451
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A Walther P5 or P88. You simply can't wrong with either one.
ThomasT
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That Sig 226 in the picture reminds me of an old one eyed three legged tomcat that used to hang around my mothers house.
He had a huge scarred head with ears that had been chewed to nubs. His tail had been trimmed to carbine length and his body, when he would let you touch him was a mass of muscle and scar. The only thing that ever whipped that cats ass was death.
And on that night I am willing to bet that death limped home bleeding.
Nice gun.
He had a huge scarred head with ears that had been chewed to nubs. His tail had been trimmed to carbine length and his body, when he would let you touch him was a mass of muscle and scar. The only thing that ever whipped that cats ass was death.
And on that night I am willing to bet that death limped home bleeding.
Nice gun.
Beagle-zebub
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Didn't Glock refuse to enter into the military competition under the stipulated conditions or something like that?
Glcok didn't meet the minimum standards for the military contract competition because they wouldn't put an external safety on their guns. But Glock did win the FBI standard sidearm contract. For a term of 10 years, if I remeber right, the standard issue sidearm of all non special unit FBI agents is either a Glock 22 or 23.
I don't buy that super special discount story. Beretta I know gives discounts for bulk purchases and I would not be surprised if Sig does too. It's not at all uncommon.
I don't buy that super special discount story. Beretta I know gives discounts for bulk purchases and I would not be surprised if Sig does too. It's not at all uncommon.
chris in va
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Trust me, unless you are VERY rich, you'll never shoot out a modern 9mm from a major manufacturer.
You don't get it. Glock's discount price is insanely cheap because of the unit production costs (under $100 for a G17 or equivalent).
Individual officer (not bulk pricing) on Glocks is < $400. Sigs start in the mid $500s at last count, same deal. Retail on the Glock is $500ish, Sig $750.
What's there not to get? Polymer guns are cheaper to make than metal.
Glock got where it is in the industry by making whatever wierd little mods departments wanted, and undercutting *anybody*.
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Of couse the fact that Glock makes a pretty good handgun is really rather superfluous, right?
The Ground Truth
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+1 for Glocks
Pulse
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no, that Glock makes good Pistols and sells them for cheap (*) is the reason they win many contracts.
but Glock has a problem, if they are not soon able to deliver a Rifle or other type of long gun, they will probably be losing quite a few of those.
all around the world, Law enforcment agencies go over to the 'one stop armory' and Glock has nothing to offer in that business.
(*): btw the rest of the world has to pay hell for Glock Pistols, 1000+ for a Glock.. yeah .. right..
sanerkeki
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XD (hs2000) Is similar to Glock but cheaper and built better. It will not jam not even if you shoot under water or in muddy area. I bought one just for the fun of it when I saw the ratings on them and I have fired at least 100k bullets threw it and never not once did it jam.
Yep, and considering the sidearm is one of many tools (and not a primary one), cost is a serious, serious factor.
Thankfully I don't have to contend with lowest bidder anything.
And yes, I also own a Glock in my pile of toys, I think everyone should know how to shoot and operate one given their ubiquitousness at this point - but it wouldn't be my primary choice of handgun unless everyone else around me had them and there was a dire need for mag compatibility.
BHP.. you can't seriously say a Glock will last forever until you've had one laying around for 50 years.
HZOX221
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STI or SV, will out last any of the plastic guns. The BHP have weak frames that tend to crack from extensive use.
KBintheSLC
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One more vote for Glock. I have yet to see one that was "worn out".
Thats almost as bad as folks paying $1000+ for an AK right now. OUCH!
ljnowell
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So by 100K rounds max, you will need to replace the glock frame? OK, go tell that to all the people with glocks that are well over that round count.
This doesnt necessarily apply to the above quoted post but, somehow I knew that when I read this thread title that it would become a glock vs the world thread. This forum has gotten to the point that if you speak the "g" word people come out of the wood work. Pathetic.
amd6547
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I wouldn't buy Sig for extended use due to their lack of parts support for previous models like the P6.
With a Browning High Power, you can load up on parts.
I have never seen a broken frame on a BHP, but I have seen a cracked slide on an Argentine clone.
With a Browning High Power, you can load up on parts.
I have never seen a broken frame on a BHP, but I have seen a cracked slide on an Argentine clone.
amd6547
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If you define "POS" as "perfect old sidearm", troll.
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