Looks like Utah will stop issuing out of state permits
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ServiceSoon
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I would like to view a source too. What was the stated reason to cease issuing out of state permits?
This is probably the piece that the poster read. Notice that it is an editorial?
There is another recent article in the Deseret News, that says lawmakers have dismissed the latest round of grumblings about the non-resident permit system. The reporter couldn't help injecting her own bias in the first sentence, "State public safety officials once again raised concerns on Wednesday about keeping track of the increasing numbers of concealed-weapons permit holders and instructors who live outside Utah — and once again, lawmakers took no action." Was some course of action mandated?
All of that was found by going to Deseret News and searching the article database. May I humbly suggest that people carefully read and analyze the sources they (don't) cite before posting provocatively titled threads, such as "... Utah will stop issuing out of state permits"?
There is another recent article in the Deseret News, that says lawmakers have dismissed the latest round of grumblings about the non-resident permit system. The reporter couldn't help injecting her own bias in the first sentence, "State public safety officials once again raised concerns on Wednesday about keeping track of the increasing numbers of concealed-weapons permit holders and instructors who live outside Utah — and once again, lawmakers took no action." Was some course of action mandated?
All of that was found by going to Deseret News and searching the article database. May I humbly suggest that people carefully read and analyze the sources they (don't) cite before posting provocatively titled threads, such as "... Utah will stop issuing out of state permits"?
Flyboy
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I don't understand why they'd want to stop. They'd be giving up an awful lot of out-of-state revenue. Color me skeptical as well.
I was basing my post more on the radio piece I heard. The Governor, virtually all of the Democrats, and a fair number of prominent republicans are supporting the move based on the system being overloaded. Apparently last year Utah issued about 40,000 permits with more than 50% going to out of state applicants, and a loss of money due to the application fee not covering all expenses.
El Tejon
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Why not raise the fee then? Is this too simple? Politicians love the power of "No!"
Utah is preconditioned to ban. "No! You are not allowed!" comes easy to them.
Utah is preconditioned to ban. "No! You are not allowed!" comes easy to them.
Robert Hairless
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I don't understand why this country continues to waste money on governments and elections when we have newspapers perfectly capable of running the country without letting its citizens get in the way.
All the pesky little people who want to lead their own lives imperfectly keep ignoring the big people who tell them how to do it much better. This must stop.
All the pesky little people who want to lead their own lives imperfectly keep ignoring the big people who tell them how to do it much better. This must stop.
I am both a Utah Non-Resident Permit Holder, and a Utah Licensed CCW Instructor. I have never lived in Utah and very, very few of my students have been Utah residents. There is a newsletter that BCI sends to all Instructors regularly, and I have not seen ANY mention of this in there or in any of the emails that are sent out either. While I don't doubt the possibility of ANY Government or Agency thereof trying to strongarm their (and other States) citizenry, the sky is not falling, YET!!!!!! However, if there IS such a movement underway, take action NOW!!!!!! The Utah permit is "relatively" easy to get, inexpensive, and has one of the widest reciprocity's of any State out there. You can find a list of Instructors at www.bci.utah.gov/. You will have to look for it, but it's there. If anyone lives in/near Southeast Wyoming and would like a class, PM me. For what it's worth, I'm also a Wyoming CCW Instructor as well. CCW permit holders represent a voting block. Permit holders tend to be politically active, and vote. Therefore, the more people that have them, the "harder" they are to take away, in theory. You decide if it's important enough to make the effort.
raxafarian
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I could see them getting rid of NR permits since they already recognize any other state's carry permit.
The only reason to get a NR Utah permit is for the other states it covers.
The only reason to get a NR Utah permit is for the other states it covers.
Utah permits are fairly popular among people who can't get a permit locally, but travel around a lot.
Say, an independent truck driver based in Los Angeles County, might get a UT permit because it covers a lot of places he goes, but he can't get a permit in LA.
Frankly, I think Utah is overlooking a good revenue source, if they stop doing this. They should just charge enough to cover their expenses, plus a healthy profit.
Say, an independent truck driver based in Los Angeles County, might get a UT permit because it covers a lot of places he goes, but he can't get a permit in LA.
Frankly, I think Utah is overlooking a good revenue source, if they stop doing this. They should just charge enough to cover their expenses, plus a healthy profit.
docfubar
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I live in Utah and have a ccp. They say the system is overloaded from out of state permits and the cost doesn't cover it. Raise the cost by 20 bucks and most out of staters will still probably get it.
I have little doubt that they could raise it by $100 and make money at it. The number may go down a bit, but probably less than some would think.
If you want a CCW permit in my county, it'll cost you $143 to submit the application, whether or not it's accepted. Many people are turned down, and forfeit their money.
Renewal every two years is $57.
It's being discussed a lot here. The state looses money on every permit issued, especially out of state permits. so the Utah tax payer ends up subsidizing the program. We have many fiscal conservatives who don't like subsidizing non UT tax payers.
Personally I think the solution is to raise the out of state permit price to the point that they break even.
Personally I think the solution is to raise the out of state permit price to the point that they break even.
Aguila Blanca
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If their bloody little "system" is overwhelmed, there's a very simple solution -- simply announce that they recognize any valid carry permit from any other state.
End of problem. No more overload.
I'd wager the vast majority of out-of-staters with a Utah permit never set foot in Utah and have no intention of doing so. They get the Utah permit because so many other states recognize it.
End of problem. No more overload.
I'd wager the vast majority of out-of-staters with a Utah permit never set foot in Utah and have no intention of doing so. They get the Utah permit because so many other states recognize it.
thumbody
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Aguila Blanca said
According to this they already do,
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf
According to this they already do,
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf
Utah will not be stopping issuance of out of state permit unless a bill, (not even submitted yet) gets through both houses in January. There is little chance of that at this point.
The permits pay for themselves by the way. Utah breaks even, no loss no gain. That is the way it should be. A govt entity should never be making any money unless they are dealing with a foreign gov't or dealing with a limited quantity of something, like hunting permits.
Oh and Aquila Utah already does recognize ALL other permits.
Do a search in the sltrib.com, desnews.com or ksl.com for my last name and you'll see my quotes on the matter. "aposhian"
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The permits pay for themselves by the way. Utah breaks even, no loss no gain. That is the way it should be. A govt entity should never be making any money unless they are dealing with a foreign gov't or dealing with a limited quantity of something, like hunting permits.
Oh and Aquila Utah already does recognize ALL other permits.
Do a search in the sltrib.com, desnews.com or ksl.com for my last name and you'll see my quotes on the matter. "aposhian"
tah
SoCalShooter
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I would still have paid for mine if it was 20 more, heck I would have pain 50 more. I live in San Diego, and since I am not a citizen of the free part o the USA Utah is doing a great service for me when I travel.
Gray Peterson
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Not to inject a California issue into a Utah thread, but if San Diego is doing that they are violating the law. No agency can charge more than the fees spelled out in law, and IIRC, they cannot charge more than 20% up front. This was part of the package passed by AB2022 back in 1998, which prevents the issuing agencies from taking the application fee in full and then declining the app, leaving you out your $100.
SoCalShooter
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Oh and for san diego like all of california you can only choose between 3 weapons that go on the form. not to mention you have to have a discussion with the person processing it.
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