M1 Carbine 10/22

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I’m a sure fan of the United States Carbine, Caliber .30, M1. I recently shared mine here. I appreciate the history of the weapon and the general shooting characteristics make for a fun and useful weapon.

But the .30 U.S. Carbine ammunition for it is at an all-time high, as are most cartridges at the moment. Even before it was not a particularly cheap or available cartridge. So I stumbled upon this:

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https://www.eabco.net/M1-Carbine-Re...sion-20--Includes-TWO-Handguards_p_13774.html

I thought “isn’t that cool?” and as I have a spare Ruger 10/22 lying around and many thousands of .22LR rimfires I believe I’m going to persue this option as a fun little plinking alternative to the “big” .30 U.S. carbine. This conversion kit utilizes Tech Sights military style aperture sights and I’m a tremendous fan of them. I’d also be adding Ruger’s new BX trigger pack for a crisp clean break.

What do you fellows think about this? Fools errand? Or a neat idea?
 
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Yeah, it looks cool, but it's not enough of a difference between it and a 10/22 to merit my getting one. If somebody didn't already have a 10/22, it may be the rifle for them.
 
toivo said:
I like it. Chiappa makes a finished .22 that looks something like that:

https://www.chiappafirearms.com/product.php?id=200

It has the advantage of a magazine that imitates the dimensions of the original. It has the disadvantage of being ... not a Ruger.
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I saw a video of a guy and his had plastic sights with the front wobbling all over the place. Also poor reliability. And you have to hold the bolt back while loading a magazine?

Chiappa makes junk IMHO, or at least some of their products are trash. I'd much rather own the trusty 10/22. No its not a dead ringer for a real M1 carbine but more than close enough in terms of sight picture and feel/handling according to all reviews of the conversion kit from Eabco.
 
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troy fairweather said:
Looks nice, if you got a old 10-22 laying around like may even be cheaper then finding a marlin m99 m1 with the proper sights.
I think green mountain had a kit at one time as Well.
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The big downside to the M99 Marlins is they all used the older 2-piece feed throat whch is well known to wear out after several thousand rounds, and they are of an age where they are likely to have a high round count already. Its possible to replace the throat with the improved one-piece part, but not cheap or easy.

Erma in Germany made a decent .22 Carbine lookalike back in the '60s as well, but IIRC, feeding wasnt perfect and they were largely made of Zamak (zinc/aluminum) which bugs some folks, myself included. Parts and spare mags are gonna be unobtanium now, of course.

toivo said:
I like it. Chiappa makes a finished .22 that looks something like that:

https://www.chiappafirearms.com/product.php?id=200

It has the advantage of a magazine that imitates the dimensions of the original. It has the disadvantage of being ... not a Ruger.
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Ive handled one of the Chiappa's. Nearly every part except the barrel and receiver is very cheap-feeling plastic. I wouldnt have trusted it as a BB gun, let alone a .22lr.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
I’m a sure fan of the United States Carbine, Caliber .30, M1. I recently shared mine here. I appreciate the history of the weapon and the general shooting characteristics make for a fun and useful weapon.

But the .30 U.S. Carbine ammunition for it is at an all-time high, as are most cartridges at the moment. Even before it was not a particularly cheap or available cartridge. So I stumbled upon this:

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https://www.eabco.net/M1-Carbine-Re...sion-20--Includes-TWO-Handguards_p_13774.html

I thought “isn’t that cool?” and as I have a spare Ruger 10/22 lying around and many thousands of .22LR rimfires I believe I’m going to persue this option as a fun little plinking alternative to the “big” .30 U.S. carbine. This conversion kit utilizes Tech Sights military style aperture sights and I’m a tremendous fan of them. I’d also be adding Ruger’s new BX trigger pack for a crisp clean break.

What do you fellows think about this? Fools errand? Or a neat idea?
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I love it. Might have to shop around for another 10-22 to convert! If you take the plunge please let us know how you like it and post plenty of pictures!
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
The big downside to the M99 Marlins is they all used the older 2-piece feed throat whch is well known to wear out after several thousand rounds, and they are of an age where they are likely to have a high round count already. Its possible to replace the throat with the improved one-piece part, but not cheap or easy.

Erma in Germany made a decent .22 Carbine lookalike back in the '60s as well, but IIRC, feeding wasnt perfect and they were largely made of Zamak (zinc/aluminum) which bugs some folks, myself included. Parts and spare mags are gonna be unobtanium now, of course.



Ive handled one of the Chiappa's. Nearly every part except the barrel and receiver is very cheap-feeling plastic. I wouldnt have trusted it as a BB gun, let alone a .22lr.
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Ya I'm aware of this problem, there a few other big ones to but some guys get pissy any time someone talks down the Marlins. There fun I've owned 4 m99 2 were ok 2 had problems, same reason I'd only own one model 60 at a time for fun and use a ruger when I need it to work.
 
troy fairweather said:
Ya I'm aware of this problem, there a few other big ones to but some guys get pissy any time someone talks down the Marlins. There fun I've owned 4 m99 2 were ok 2 had problems, same reason I'd only own one model 60 at a time for fun and use a ruger when I need it to work.
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It would probably be cheaper and easier to buy a newish M60 and and swap over the Carbine-specific parts from an M99 than fix the M99, lol.

They are often missing the rear sight assembly too, since it had to be removed to mount a scope. Original rear sights are worth as much nearly as much as the whole gun.....
 
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If I ever fall into a 10/22 with terrible furniture that would be neat. I already have the afore mentioned Marlin m99 but that has notch and post for sights where this would be the more traditional peep. Would be a sweet little gun for an appleseed shoot the more I think about it.
 
I have a buddy that bought a 10/22 w/M1carbine stock from Sportsman's Warehouse. He was so disappointed with the quality of the finish that he took it apart and refinish the stock to his standard before shooting it. He's much happier now and really enjoys shooting it.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
What do you fellows think about this? Fools errand? Or a neat idea?
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Pretty common at Appleseed shoots.
As are the Tech sights.
The magazines spoil the "look" a bit, but, they work, and that's what matters.

Iver Johnson made a decent, for the time, .22lr copy, but only sold like 1000 and not the expected 10,000, and dropped the things (at the time they were the same price as a .30carbine).
Kahr (I think) makes a modern iteration of the carbine, but I've not heard anything about them.

Magazines in the copies are always the weakest link. Magazines are pretty intricate machines on their own, and get short shrift for adequate engineering by both shooters and manufacturers. The magazines are often .22lr ones of dubious engineering stuffed into something resembling a Carbine magazine box..
 
CapnMac said:
Pretty common at Appleseed shoots.
As are the Tech sights.
The magazines spoil the "look" a bit, but, they work, and that's what matters.

Iver Johnson made a decent, for the time, .22lr copy, but only sold like 1000 and not the expected 10,000, and dropped the things (at the time they were the same price as a .30carbine).
Kahr (I think) makes a modern iteration of the carbine, but I've not heard anything about them.

Magazines in the copies are always the weakest link. Magazines are pretty intricate machines on their own, and get short shrift for adequate engineering by both shooters and manufacturers. The magazines are often .22lr ones of dubious engineering stuffed into something resembling a Carbine magazine box..
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Correct. I do understand the magazines will not look correct but at least they will be well engineered. Ruger makes a 15 round 10/22 magazine now that will match the capacity of a standard 15 round carbine mag at least as far as capacity goes.

I understand that Appleseed teaches shooters in the use of an M1907 shooting sling. How are shooters implementing such a sling into these M1 carbine style side mounted swivels in order to train properly?
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
I understand that Appleseed teaches shooters in the use of an M1907 shooting sling. How are shooters implementing such a sling into these M1 carbine style side mounted swivels in order to train properly?
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Dismount the rear loop, from memory, for a full bicep strap.
I used an M-36 canvas sling on a Mossberg M44, which just pops off a spring clip.

(BTW 7 round Mossy clips are a pain in Appleseed stages designed around 10 round mags.)
 
I thought about that kit awhile back but opted to sell my 10/22 for nearly double my purchase price. Still have 3 more in the safe and I may grab another at the right price, at which time the conversion kit will again enter the conversation.
 
I like it. And the funny thing is is that I have been messing with one of my 10/22s just a few minutes ago and added a scope to it. I like the M-1 looking sights better than the Tech Sights. I would probably go that way if I bought the kit.
 
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