M6 Survival: .22LR vs .22 WMR?

Which caliber is best for an M6 Survival rifle?

  • .22 Long Rifle

    Votes: 29 46.8%
  • .22 Magnum

    Votes: 33 53.2%

  • Total voters
    62
Seems like there is a lot of love for the Savage 24.

I might consider the alternatives that 1) irrefutably, the Savage 24 is a more refined combo gun than the M6, and 2) there just aren’t that many combo guns with which Americans really have had much contact. So it’s not necessarily that the 24 is spectacular, but rather that it doesn’t suck, as does the M6, and we’ve all handled or owned a 24 at some point.
 
in real wilderness areas one can wind up spending a few unexpected days or nights due to injury or getting lost. If one was short on food to begin with, it would be useful to be able to harvest some small game and cook it up. That's how I see it anyhow.

I’m a huge Gary Paulsen fan, but we have to acknowledge, there simply aren’t realistic instances of this happening, and even in a scenario where it COULD, the M6 isn’t the best option to do it. How many true life stories can we actually drum up where someone went into the wilderness under prepared in the last quarter to half century - meaning they had no firearm, at all, and did not have satellite communication - and saved themselves by hunting local fauna? It just doesn’t happen. Someone went backcountry, didn’t bring any firearm, was injured such they can’t travel for self-recovery or communication for rescue, but they can stalk game, recover it, clean and cook it, prep shelter, and endure doing so for longer than they simply could have gone hungry, or longer than they could have gone by simply foraging…? My back country hiking kit carries a satellite communicator, pocket water purification options, emergency high calorie rations, mylar blanket and micro bivvy, and a defensive side arm all on my person, in case I would somehow be disconnected from my larger pack and supplies, which in itself does not include an M6. Tools for real tasks, solutions for real problems, not some romanticized theory of impossible circumstances.
 
I’m a huge Gary Paulsen fan, but we have to acknowledge, there simply aren’t realistic instances of this happening, and even in a scenario where it COULD, the M6 isn’t the best option to do it. How many true life stories can we actually drum up where someone went into the wilderness under prepared in the last quarter to half century - meaning they had no firearm, at all, and did not have satellite communication - and saved themselves by hunting local fauna? It just doesn’t happen. Someone went backcountry, didn’t bring any firearm, was injured such they can’t travel for self-recovery or communication for rescue, but they can stalk game, recover it, clean and cook it, prep shelter, and endure doing so for longer than they simply could have gone hungry, or longer than they could have gone by simply foraging…? My back country hiking kit carries a satellite communicator, pocket water purification options, emergency high calorie rations, mylar blanket and micro bivvy, and a defensive side arm all on my person, in case I would somehow be disconnected from my larger pack and supplies, which in itself does not include an M6. Tools for real tasks, solutions for real problems, not some romanticized theory of impossible circumstances.

I agree, but also believe in "never say never", and saying it can't happen. !!! And besides, you are ruining my fantasies. DANG! Yeah, my wife makes me carry a "Spot". My son calls it my "leash". But hey, what if I lose the Spot?? Someone steals it! What if a deer wanders by when I got a broken leg? I can shoot it, crawl over, and eat it raw just like in them movies about Hugh Glass! Fight off the wolves! Varminterror, you ain't no fun at all!!!! :cuss::cuss::cuss:Yeah, I always carry extra rations, and no need to filter or purify water in my stomping grounds. Yep, no fun at all.
 
When SHTF, if you don't already live where hunting out your back door is an option, or is within walking distance,
Your "Hunting gun" will be whatever works to keep the ravenous hordes away from your share of the govt food supply trucks.
 
I am thinking about buying an M6 survival rifle from TPS Arms:

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These are available in several rifle calibers, all paired with a .410 shotgun barrel. I’m debating if I should choose .22 Long Rifle or the .22 Magnum version. My location is Southern Illinois.

My uses would include:

-Plinking
-Squirrel hunting
-Camp defense gun
-General woods loafing

Which combo would prove most versatile and ideal to you? Thanks.

Killed Lots of game with just a good .22 LR.

For your "included" list, have a very nice Ruger RAR compact .22 LR with aperture sight and the short stock module.

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Small, light, handy, and precise.

What I grab most, and what I would grab in a pinch.
 
Killed Lots of game with just a good .22 LR.

For your "included" list, have a very nice Ruger RAR compact .22 LR with aperture sight and the short stock module.

Small, light, handy, and precise.

What I grab most, and what I would grab in a pinch.

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Indeed hard to beat a straight-up .22LR rifle when paired with a powerful revolver. These are all laser-accurate with CCI .22LR "Quiet". The "Hawthorne Warrior" on the bottom is the most accurate, and only one of three scoped rifles I own. I don't care for optics. The Hawthorne is a bit on the heavy side, compared to the others, but with it's 16 round capacity you don't really need to carry any extra ammo. Report with the "Quiet" ammo is that of a air gun. (from the Hawthorne) I've said it before, but you can hang some para-chord from a branch, get back as far as you want, within reason/small game distance/25 yards or so and twang it all day long. Unless you really pull the shot, 16 (or about that many) rounds would actually equate to 16 grouse, squirrel, or rabbit dinners. Duck on a pond? Dead duck.
 
Indeed hard to beat a straight-up .22LR rifle when paired with a powerful revolver.
Could easily play that way with my Browning SA22 takedown or Savage Mk2 and any number of handguns. But I think I'd be just as happy or even happier the other way around with a target 22 handgun like my Sig Trailside or Browning buckmark and a mif power carbine like my 92 Rossi in 44 mag or my SBR 300 Blackout. The Blackout and Buckmark have the added possibility of suppressors.
 
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My Ruger Charger doesn't take up much space. Being take down one screw to remove the brace and the longest piece is 10". Plenty accurate and I have a neat little Tacsol Aeris suppressor that makes it really quiet with CCI std vel. 20221008_190801.jpg
 
It would be nice to have a suppressor, I'd like to have my .22 Hornet threaded for one. (handi-rifle) My small game/survival ammo for it is just a couple of grains of unique, and a "Rabbit Magnum" air gun pellet. It's very quiet, but pops a little louder than I expected. With a suppressor I'm thinking all one would hear is the hammer dropping on the firing pin. That would be nice.
 
It would be nice to have a suppressor, I'd like to have my .22 Hornet threaded for one. (handi-rifle) My small game/survival ammo for it is just a couple of grains of unique, and a "Rabbit Magnum" air gun pellet. It's very quiet, but pops a little louder than I expected. With a suppressor I'm thinking all one would hear is the hammer dropping on the firing pin. That would be nice.
I was kinda surprised at how loud CCI quiets were thru the suppressor, they're certainly a little quieter than CCI SV just not as much as I expected.
As such I mostly shoot SV suppressed and save the quiets for non threaded guns.
 
Some of my .22’s are quieter than even “moderated” air rifles.



That said, I would have done a better job keeping pests out of my Grandfathers garden if I had one of them back then, they are pretty impressive.



And they can shoot smaller than that.

 
Barrel length seems to have a lot to do (no duh!) with the quiets. Very quiet of of my "Hawthorne Warrior" with 24" barrel, and less so out of my 16-20" barrels. Very loud out of a short pistol barrel, so I don't feel real bad that they are not the most accurate out of my S&W AirLite. In all my .22LR rifles, they produce best accuracy. But I've heard others say they don't shoot worth beans in their rifles. And, they are not "inaccurate" out of the AirLite, just not the most accurate. It likes Winchester 36 grain HP. Thankfully, the hollow point does not open up on small game. (940fps out of the AirLite) Same with the one other .22LR pistol I have, an old High Standard which likes CCI Standard Velocity best.
 
Truth to that. I always pair a rifle/pistol or shotgun/pistol. That is perhaps the best combo of all. The combination of the two is important. So with a powerful rifle or shotgun, I'll take a small game pistol, my two favorites being a 1862 Pocket Police, or my AirLite S&W .22LR. (both small game laser accurate) With a .22LR rifle, or a ..22Mag (if I had one) or my .22Hornet, then it's a .45Colt, .44Mag or a .357, which I don't usually take (the .357) since it's no advantage over the .44 or .45. But, don't yell at me, I love the .357. I pair one with my Rossi 92 in .357 when I take it. And I love to carry that Rossi.
I agree with carrying a 357 with a .22 LR rifle. Ready for anything. Or a 12 gauge shotgun with a .22 pistol. I am not too worried about bears, lions and tigers and hordes of Zombies. But I have no objection to being prepared for the fantasy of your choice. Preparation is prevention. And in some places, it is not a fantasy.
 
Could easily play that way with my Browning SA22 takedown or Savage Mk2 and any number of handguns. But I think I'd be just as happy or even happier the other way around with a target 22 handgun like my Sig Trailside or Browning buckmark and a mif power carbine like my 92 Rossi in 44 mag or my SBR 300 Blackout. The Blackout and Buckmark have the added possibility of suppressors.

To me, small game are small targets - especially if they are moving.

Usually practice with a handful of range golf balls scattered at 25 to 50 yards.

Can't make them dance the same with a .22LR pistol, even a target mdl.

On the other hand, a heavy .357 Magnum, like a 6.5 in. Ruger Blackhawk, has little problem with old basketballs and propane barbecue tanks at those ranges.
 
Wow.

Love that setup.

How has the reliability been?

It was a little fussy with the Agulia Super-Extra at first, because of their rounded rims.

Sharpened up the extractor a bit, and it took care of it.

Note: the Tech-Sights aperture for this rifle is a very good system, but the 200 aperture is tight, and is much better drilled out to 3/32".

While they call this an RAR, it is actually the 18" barreled compact with the short stock module.

 
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yea, what a few others said makes sense. Consider a 20 Gauge, then you are holding a deer rifle and a bird/game rifle just with that. I'd also go with the .22 Mag chambering, then you can shoot either from it. as an aside, shooting 2 liter bottles hanging from a 4 or 5 foot rope with 20 gauge target load is entertaining.
 
To me, small game are small targets - especially if they are moving.

Usually practice with a handful of range golf balls scattered at 25 to 50 yards.

Can't make them dance the same with a .22LR pistol, even a target mdl.

On the other hand, a heavy .357 Magnum, like a 6.5 in. Ruger Blackhawk, has little problem with old basketballs and propane barbecue tanks at those ranges.
Yep you're gonna lose a little range but I've harvested plenty of small game with handguns, the last squirrel I shot was with my SP101.
And now a basketball size target would be no problem at 200 yards with my 300 Blackout.
 
Yep you're gonna lose a little range but I've harvested plenty of small game with handguns, the last squirrel I shot was with my SP101.
And now a basketball size target would be no problem at 200 yards with my 300 Blackout.

Yes, a pistola can be very "handy" when it comes to small game. In larger bore revolvers, I've had great luck with the shot shells in .44mag, .44spl and my Webley. My ex-hunting partner, who's gone on to the happy hunting grounds, used to take as many grouse with his .357 as I did with my .44mag, back in the day when I hauled that big SBH .44 around all the time. (I was a human mule!) (or a...wait for it...jackass?) DSCN0912.JPG grouselite.jpg
Another pistol that has provided me with more than a few grouse dinners is my Uberti Remington New Model army in Navy caliber.
 
Yes, a pistola can be very "handy" when it comes to small game.
The reality is that's likely all I'd have anyway, the rule of 3 for survival is 3 weeks for food, so foraging food is pretty low on the list, heck a couple weeks fasting would do my fat butt some good lol.
My survival pack (started as a joke from a surprise Santa gift) doesn't even have a gun, so most of the time I'd have to make due with whatever I'm packing that day.
Still a fun topic to discuss though.
 
The reality is that's likely all I'd have anyway, the rule of 3 for survival is 3 weeks for food, so foraging food is pretty low on the list, heck a couple weeks fasting would do my fat butt some good lol.
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That is true, one can go without eating. On the other hand, lack of calories does result in mental fog and increased fatigue. In my case, in the Harvey Creek Grizzly recovery area, (google it!) I need/want/require either a powerful pistol and .22 rifle, or at least a 20 gauge shotgun or rifle, .30-30 or bigger. I'd have to get pretty hungry before I started eating squirrels, (we just have little pine squirrels) but I'd not hesitate to pop a grouse or snowshoe rabbit, and save my rations. I just carry food rations for one day, and some short rations for another. But I'm never short on coffee. Never. Ever. Not gonna happen. Can't happen. Won't happen. If I starve to death it will be with a cup of coffee in my hand. :)
 
That would actually be pretty useful. I would do the .22 magnum version.
In most cases I would say .22lr because that's what I would pick because it's such a common rimfire cartridge, more so than .22WMR but since it a survival rifle and not a gun that would be used for any kind of regular or higher volume shooting, you could stock up on a case or even a few 50rd boxes of .22WMR and be set for life and then some. The .22 mag has extended range and lethality and for a survival rifle, I would want the extra range because 50 yards could be the deciding factor between meal vs no meal. Just my thoughts, not even $0.02cents worth
 
In most cases I would say .22lr because that's what I would pick because it's such a common rimfire cartridge, more so than .22WMR but since it a survival rifle and not a gun that would be used for any kind of regular or higher volume shooting, you could stock up on a case or even a few 50rd boxes of .22WMR and be set for life and then some. The .22 mag has extended range and lethality and for a survival rifle, I would want the extra range because 50 yards could be the deciding factor between meal vs no meal. Just my thoughts, not even $0.02cents worth

line up the sights and pull the "trigger" once on an M6 and you'll realize all the arguments about extended range are humorous at best. Long range shooting is out of this guns wheelhouse.
long range = > 25 yards.

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people make fun of "staple gun" triggers. Wait till you actually use one. "Precision" does not apply

If y'all have never shot one, the M6 design and build quality is marginally better than a Liberator.
 
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line up the sights and pull the "trigger" once on an M6 and you'll realize all the arguments about extended range are humorous at best. Long range shooting is out of this guns wheelhouse.
long range = > 25 yards.

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people make fun of "staple gun" triggers. Wait till you actually use one. "Precision" does not apply

If y'all have never shot one, the M6 design and build quality is marginally better than a Liberator.
Yeah that gun looks hilarious. Idk why anybody would buy one. No way jose
 
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