MudPuppy
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That's true of every single gun you currently own, yes?
The .gov did a plenty back then to create the fear that lead to this man's stockpiling. (now we have a whole different set of commies to worry about...)
Man sentenced after arsenal found in Bellevue storage locker
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That's true of every single gun you currently own, yes?
The .gov did a plenty back then to create the fear that lead to this man's stockpiling. (now we have a whole different set of commies to worry about...)
jakemccoy
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Yeah, I don't know, folks. The threads about Plaxico Burress went way differently. Every other post in those threads pointed out how Plaxico was stupid. Not one post here has literally claimed this guy was stupid.
So, I'll be the first. This guy here was stupid for storing this large amount of weapons in a rental locker. He was stupider for failing to pay the bill.
So, I'll be the first. This guy here was stupid for storing this large amount of weapons in a rental locker. He was stupider for failing to pay the bill.
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You mean "stupid laws" like those that prohibit you from buying stolen military weapons on the black market?
I'm having a hard time having much sympathy for the guy. It's not like he didn't know what he was doing.
SharpsDressedMan
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He was probably waiting on that amnesty from 1968 that never got used up............
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Perhaps he would have been better off if he had handled it like this:
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2009/05/25/newsstory13192931t0.asp
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2009/05/25/newsstory13192931t0.asp
ThrottleJockey72
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Darn good thing he didn't use the word "socialist"! That really would have got him sent up the river. I can't help but wonder about the selective way they use the patriot act and the new guidelines for making someone a "domestic terrorist". Had he been 25 or had a shaved head.........
Remember, now things have changed and people actually realize that the potential for needing this stuff is really there.
Officers'Wife
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Hi Maelstrom,
You forget, such weapons have a habit of suddenly going berserk without human intervention. I especially liked the 'dud' fired grenade could go off with a 'jiggle.' Logically the problem would be a bad detonator, a substandard primer or a break in the fuse column. If the primer was bad fulminate of mercury does not magically reform, if the fuse trail was gapped, once the fire went out it would not magically re-ignite with a bit of friction. As for the detonator... Even EOD stops worrying after two hours. I can't help but wonder if that remark is court allowed 'reasonable deception' designed to frighten the potential jury pool or if this is a true idiot that really believes it.
You forget, such weapons have a habit of suddenly going berserk without human intervention. I especially liked the 'dud' fired grenade could go off with a 'jiggle.' Logically the problem would be a bad detonator, a substandard primer or a break in the fuse column. If the primer was bad fulminate of mercury does not magically reform, if the fuse trail was gapped, once the fire went out it would not magically re-ignite with a bit of friction. As for the detonator... Even EOD stops worrying after two hours. I can't help but wonder if that remark is court allowed 'reasonable deception' designed to frighten the potential jury pool or if this is a true idiot that really believes it.
The truth is he was storing weapons on par with the small arms of the standing army's infantry. Which was the intent of the 2nd, that all the citizens would forever be a more powerful force than any force that could be raised against them. Both foreign and domestic. That would insure the will of the people prevailed. That was the intent of the founders. Not to hunt or defend against the common thug. To preserve liberty through the capability and threat of resistance.
Yet today that is illegal.
He was not even capable of taking out an APC or tank, nevermind aircraft. Though the C4 would have been good for crafting some shaped charges for armor.
Just barely enough to support a minor role in the insurgency he pictured when the Communists invaded. Certainly no major role.
He didn't even have anything for indirect fire. No mortars or artillery. Yet he planned to do damage to a powerful military that would outgun him in direct engagements?
However it was clearly illegal, the guy knew what he was doing was illegal and he was caught. He acquired those weapons from the only source he could, which means they were stolen from the military.
So he had illegal stolen weapons.
In fact considering the weapon charges carry around a 10 year sentence for violating the NFA, he got much less than possible. Had they called him a "terrorist" it would have likely been life.
He seems to have been a decent guy, just prepared for his own version of a SHTF scenario. Preparations that made him a criminal.
That doesn't mean I want people with high explosives and grenades everywhere. In fact I would much rather all the standing armies of the world that are used to crush the people or enforce the will of tyrants still only used muskets and cannon. Then the people would still only need muskets and cannon to remain free.
Like when the founders wrote the Bill of Rights.
Yet today that is illegal.
He was not even capable of taking out an APC or tank, nevermind aircraft. Though the C4 would have been good for crafting some shaped charges for armor.
Just barely enough to support a minor role in the insurgency he pictured when the Communists invaded. Certainly no major role.
He didn't even have anything for indirect fire. No mortars or artillery. Yet he planned to do damage to a powerful military that would outgun him in direct engagements?
However it was clearly illegal, the guy knew what he was doing was illegal and he was caught. He acquired those weapons from the only source he could, which means they were stolen from the military.
So he had illegal stolen weapons.
In fact considering the weapon charges carry around a 10 year sentence for violating the NFA, he got much less than possible. Had they called him a "terrorist" it would have likely been life.
He seems to have been a decent guy, just prepared for his own version of a SHTF scenario. Preparations that made him a criminal.
That doesn't mean I want people with high explosives and grenades everywhere. In fact I would much rather all the standing armies of the world that are used to crush the people or enforce the will of tyrants still only used muskets and cannon. Then the people would still only need muskets and cannon to remain free.
Like when the founders wrote the Bill of Rights.
Truthseeker
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C4 is difficult to detonate. Blasting caps, however, are very easy to detonate. In the Air Force we stored them in separate storage buildings.
Officers'Wife
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Law-abiding citizens receive stolen goods? The guy was in violation of the law in many respects. Long term storage of even 'safe' explosives such as C-4 is highly regulated and a storage locker doesn't qualify. Storing primary explosives in the same building high explosives is covered in four different regs alone. Such regulations may be a redundancy for those involved in the industry, but they are far from stupid.
Note, when I speak of primary with high, I'm referring to the grenades which combine detonator with the explosive grenite. While I have no training with C-4 I've been told from one who does it would be nearly impossible to detonate C-4 with a grenade unless the explosive was molded around the device.
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Most explosives like c4 are highly stable and can even be burned like firewood.
You would be hard pressed to set it off without a blasting cap.
You would be hard pressed to set it off without a blasting cap.
Officers'Wife
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Hi Truthseeker,
Industry does as well, in fact, blasters transport detonators in separate vehicles to the job site. The vehicles that carry the detonators generally will not have two way radios to prevent induced current even though the static shunts are installed and the devices are stored in a Faraday cage arrangement.
Industry does as well, in fact, blasters transport detonators in separate vehicles to the job site. The vehicles that carry the detonators generally will not have two way radios to prevent induced current even though the static shunts are installed and the devices are stored in a Faraday cage arrangement.
I'm a huge fan of the 2A and would like to see it fully restored. However the guy bought property that was obviously stolen and illegal. I have no sympathy for the guy especially considering the sentence. He in all likelihood he won't actually serve a year. I'm pretty sure that putting C4 in mini storage isn't a wonderful idea.
ConstitutionCowboy
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From the Article said:
Four things wrong with this. One, the US does not have the power granted to it to punish anyone for this. Two, her personal opinion doesn't belong in any such decisions. Three, the laws he "violated" are all unconstitutional. Fourth, there is no evidence that his arms put anyone at risk.
If he stole all this stuff, or received it knowing it was stolen, he should have been tried in state court.
Oh, and there is a fifth thing wrong with the judge's statement: The laws are not against those things, the laws - aside from being unconstitutional - are against possession or against failure to register, pay a tax, etc.
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The man bought weapons on the black market. Anyone with a shred of common sense could have guessed that the weapons were stolen. That's a serious crime right there.
He also improperly stored explosives including a grenade that did not have a pin inserted. That put other people at risk.
He also improperly stored explosives including a grenade that did not have a pin inserted. That put other people at risk.
ConstitutionCowboy
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Please splain how you pull the pin on a grenade and it not explode...
Woody
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Woody
There is a current wave of freedom being expressed in this great country of ours. We can join that wave in the political arena now or be forced to join it on the battlefield later.
Its called a dud, or in this case it said the lever had not sprung away, but
had stayed in place for some reason. The lever has to spring away to set
the fuse to go off in about 5 sec.....sometimes its less, thats why the Army
taught us to hold down on the spoon while throwing down.....threw a bunch of
them an had to do it that way...but in combat I always figured I'd let it cook
at least a second before throwing...remember all those war movies where they
through it back at you.....never saw combat, but have heard stories of the spoon
flipping out of the way an before they could throw it, it went off early.
had stayed in place for some reason. The lever has to spring away to set
the fuse to go off in about 5 sec.....sometimes its less, thats why the Army
taught us to hold down on the spoon while throwing down.....threw a bunch of
them an had to do it that way...but in combat I always figured I'd let it cook
at least a second before throwing...remember all those war movies where they
through it back at you.....never saw combat, but have heard stories of the spoon
flipping out of the way an before they could throw it, it went off early.
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4 years? Come on...
shibby
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He broke the law. TS.
Also, that article looks like it was written for a high school news paper.
Also, that article looks like it was written for a high school news paper.
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