Erik M
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If it was a locker full of m44's and a can of 7.62x54r I would side with the gentelman, but c4 and gernade launchers? The guys family is from Cali he should have known better.
Man sentenced after arsenal found in Bellevue storage locker
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Deltaboy1984
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Poor Fellow He really believed that the 2nd Amendment meant Shall not be Infringed meant just that.
ConstitutionCowboy
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61chalk
Ah, I missed that "dud-fired" bit. But, doesn't that mean the fuse burned down but failed to ignite the powder charge in the grenade? Or, that maybe there was no powder charge in it to begin with?
My comment was based on the previous posters comment that there was a grenade without a pin in it.
Woody
Ah, I missed that "dud-fired" bit. But, doesn't that mean the fuse burned down but failed to ignite the powder charge in the grenade? Or, that maybe there was no powder charge in it to begin with?
My comment was based on the previous posters comment that there was a grenade without a pin in it.
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jeff-10
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4 years in jail for buying weapons, including explosives, stolen from the military? Blah, he will be out in 6 months.
That is a nice MP40 though.
Clearly the guy is irrational and watched Red Dawn too many times but it makes me wonder how easy is it to buy used military grade weaponry on the black market. Since a court reporter in Washington state doesn't really fit the profile of someone with major underworld connections.
That is a nice MP40 though.
Clearly the guy is irrational and watched Red Dawn too many times but it makes me wonder how easy is it to buy used military grade weaponry on the black market. Since a court reporter in Washington state doesn't really fit the profile of someone with major underworld connections.
AKElroy
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These items can be owned legally by those buying the proper stamps and complying with applicable storage requirements, or they can be owned illegally and stored irresponsibly. This gentleman chose the latter, and he is going to prison. From a public safety standpoint, a 64 year old crackpot possessing six blocks of 40 year old, potentially degrading C-4 is not the kind of cat I would be thrilled to have on my block.
Before I catch a lot of grief for calling this guy a crackpot, stockpiling weapons to guard against communist takeover is not exactly mainstream. At least not takeover by the Russians. Now the Chinese?....My man cave says BRING IT ON.
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753X0...believe you are correct on grenade fuse being 3-5 sec. I've been out
for a long time, thats why I said "about 5 sec." A 3 second one would be quick like you said. ConstitutionCowboy, sorry, didn't mean to confuse. Yeah your right if the fuse burned down an doesn't go off, I would call that a "dud", wasn't sure if you knew how a grenade works, the article said, as others posters commented, that the pin was out, but the pin isn't what sets the charge,...you take the pin out an put in back in an its safe again, the pin keeps the spoon or lever attachment in place. You can hold the lever down all day long with the pin removed an its not going to arm. This grenade could of still been in the protective canister, the pin came out, but the case held the lever in place, keeping it from flipping away an arming the grenade fuse.
for a long time, thats why I said "about 5 sec." A 3 second one would be quick like you said. ConstitutionCowboy, sorry, didn't mean to confuse. Yeah your right if the fuse burned down an doesn't go off, I would call that a "dud", wasn't sure if you knew how a grenade works, the article said, as others posters commented, that the pin was out, but the pin isn't what sets the charge,...you take the pin out an put in back in an its safe again, the pin keeps the spoon or lever attachment in place. You can hold the lever down all day long with the pin removed an its not going to arm. This grenade could of still been in the protective canister, the pin came out, but the case held the lever in place, keeping it from flipping away an arming the grenade fuse.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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OK, so let me get this straight.
Are you guys saying that it is OK to not follow a law that you don't agree with or don't like? That it's OK to own illegal machine guns and grenades because you don't like the law?
Are you guys saying that it is OK to not follow a law that you don't agree with or don't like? That it's OK to own illegal machine guns and grenades because you don't like the law?
orionengnr
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Are you related to Standing Wolf?
Because only he can condense an entire paragraph into one concisely-worded sentence.
(A talent I admire and wish I possessed...)
And, Counselor, your evidence is... ?
Dark Knight--I hate the laws but still follow them and believe for the good of the cause we all should (as to not end up in jail or to be marginalized as idiots)---Along with this I am doing what I can legally to get them changed.
Although I think others on here are saying exactly that.
Although I think others on here are saying exactly that.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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Yes, yes they are.
So much for "The High Road"
I personally believe there is nothing wrong with a law abiding citizen owning a full auto MP40. Unfortunately without proper paperwork that equals jailtime and will likely render you unable to possess any firearms for the rest of your life after prison. To get the 2A restored we need gun owners walking around and able to vote so lets pass on the Civil Disobedience for now.
The really craptastic part of this is that I was talking to a family member that owns more guns than 99% of the population (all sporting and handguns) that really doesn't believe anyone needs an AK(semi auto or otherwise) or AR15 and that they should be banned. I almost fell on the floor. I respect this guy and he has mucho gun knowledge but the viewpoint floors me.
The really craptastic part of this is that I was talking to a family member that owns more guns than 99% of the population (all sporting and handguns) that really doesn't believe anyone needs an AK(semi auto or otherwise) or AR15 and that they should be banned. I almost fell on the floor. I respect this guy and he has mucho gun knowledge but the viewpoint floors me.
rbernie
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I've read this thread twice, and I haven't seen that yet.
I did see a bunch of comments complaining about the 'victimless' nature of the crime, but I didn't see anyone actively advocating breaking the law.
I did see a bunch of comments complaining about the 'victimless' nature of the crime, but I didn't see anyone actively advocating breaking the law.
61, didn't mean to nitpik, but hollywood has shown actors allowing them to cook for a couple seconds for dramatic effect. Just don't want some young recruit who watched too many movies blowing himself up. Although when they train with M-67's they learn real quick that those suckers are something you just want to pull the pin and throw. They pack a hell of a wallup.
JWF III
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No. What I'm saying is that the 4 years in jail accomplishes nothing that just probation would accomplish. All the 4 years will do is add extra burden to the corrections system. He will be taking the place of someone that truly would be a danger to society.
This isn't some gang banger that might actually hurt someone. He will do 4 years. The previously mentioned would be out in 6 months, and back at his "occupation".
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ConstitutionCowboy
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It's not so much as not liking the law as it is the law being unconstitutional. The law infringes upon the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in violation of the Second Amendment. Those in government broke the supreme law of the land when this law was passed. Those in government now are just as guilty for not repealing those laws.
Woody
There is a current wave of freedom being expressed in this great country of ours. We can join that wave in the political arena now or be forced to join it on the battlefield later.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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So it's OK to violate the NFA/GCA/etc?
rbernie
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No, it's not. Laws that are unjust are changed via legal means.
And that's enough of the thread drift into the legalities of the NFA.
And that's enough of the thread drift into the legalities of the NFA.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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Really not trying to be a jerk here. But how is discussing NFA a thread drift? Isn't the "weapons charges" he is facing the NFA violation for having unregistered machine guns?
Personally, I feel 4 years is too little. He broke the law and should be punished to the fullest extent. Nice guy or not, ownership of these weapons in his circumstances is a crime.
And to the guy suggesting this is "civil disobedience" all I can say is wow...
the big deal here seems to be the explosives. I can't say I disagree with that notion. That much C4 would have left a pretty nice dent in the Earth, among other things.
But, the man had a clean record and showed no intent to hurt anyone. Four years is way too much. I have a feeling that he will get out on a very strict parole/probation much sooner, though - or at least hope so.
But, he did violate the law. There is no arguing that. No matter how much we disagree with that, the fact is: the law is the law.
But, the man had a clean record and showed no intent to hurt anyone. Four years is way too much. I have a feeling that he will get out on a very strict parole/probation much sooner, though - or at least hope so.
But, he did violate the law. There is no arguing that. No matter how much we disagree with that, the fact is: the law is the law.
Erik M
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If i were the judge prosiding over the case i would have ordered him to pay the court costs for the trial, possibly have levied a fine, and confiscated all the weapons. Putting a 61 year old man in prison that has no criminal history and no evil intent is absolutely ludacrist.
ConstitutionCowboy
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The Dark Knight said:
Precisely. Ronald Struve is now in a position to challenge those laws. He has standing. Too bad he broke other law(theft and/or receiving stolen property). This would make his case very similar to US v. Miller, but with the proper backing, could go a long way to unfettering our RKBA. Struve will still(most likely) end up in prison for the theft and/or receiving stolen property.
Woody
THE DARK KNIGHT
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Exactly, how anyone could feel sorry for this guy, no idea.
My question is how was it so easy for this guy to get a hold of so much junk without coming on the radar? If he did it there's gotta be a hundred or so bad guys out there with this junk. They need to hire this guy as an informant, if he still remembers.
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