Man Shoots Teen During Snowball Fight

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Yeah, there is relatively no question that this kid was not a saint, he was probably a little punk like a LOT of 16 year olds, but I also have a hard time believing there is a story that could justify putting a bullet in his head...That's all I am saying.
 
I know two things for certain about this report, one, it's very poorly written, and two, I wasn't there so I don't have enough of a grasp of the real circumstances to do anything other than speculate as to what precipitated this boys shooting and eventual death......
P.S. I'm probably the guy you'd want on your jury if you're in deep doo-doo...
 
I have to say something about this! I agree that the man should be locked up forever or even given the death penalty and gentleman people like him are the reason i am going into law enforcement!
 
I remember fondly an incident that occurred when I was twelve
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That is a fond memory?


Hmm, POS, life in prison, hoping he gets shot, ect.. maybe we should wait on the whole story before casting this fellow into the dungeon and tossing the key, perhaps there's a history here were not privy to.
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What the ****? Are you actually saying that there could be some kind of history that justifies the guy shooting the kid in the head? I don't care if the kid slashed his tires, broke his window, kicked him in the nuts or anything else, it doesn't justify shooting him. I hope that that was a joke made in very poor taste.
 
This is an example of what happens in a town where everyone assumes that people are unarmed. Here in sacramento over the weekend, a road rage incident turned uglier than i could believe. a motorist RAN DOWN a young mother because she yelled at him to slow down. these people (including the shooter in this thread) act the way they do in the belief they can do so safely, without retaliation. An armed society (say it with me) is a polite society.
 
Ohhh, I see, RKBA thumbs up, innocent until proven guilty thumbs down. I'm real happy you're not hanging your cap in my neighborhood....
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Ok, come up with one thing that could possibly justify shooting an unarmed kid in the head.
 
Hey rancidsumo, maybe these kids are gang bangers that tormented this guy everyday for years, maybe they've continually vandalised his property, maybe anything other than the nonsense your parading about took place and this guy just snapped. And lastly, if a 13, 14, or 15 year old came into my home and for whatever reason physically assaulted me in any way, and I felt threatend enough, I'd drill em just as fast as this fellow did....And my taste is not nearly as poor as your judgement obviously is......
 
OK, let's see here:

1)
maybe these kids are gang bangers
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Mmhmm, don't shoot an unarmed kid, call the police

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that tormented this guy everyday for years
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Mmhmm, don't shoot an unarmed kid, call the police

3)
maybe anything other than the nonsense your parading about took place and this guy just snapped
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Mmhmm, don't shoot an unarmed kid, call the Police.

And lastly, if a 13, 14, or 15 year old came into my home and for whatever reason physically assaulted me in any way, and I felt threatend enough, I'd drill em just as fast as this fellow did
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Guess what? They didn't come into his house.

If the guy felt threatened, he could have, <ahem> called the police, but instead he came back with a gun and shot an unarmed kid.

I'm real happy you're not hanging your cap in my neighborhood....
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Likewise.
 
My wife is a mental health professional & pro 2A. From what she says & from what I've seen in the paper & on TV the resources for mental health care are all but non-existant. She contends that a large number shootings such as the one in the OP & those on campuses are because the mental health care is broken. I tend to agree with her on this. It's a shame some of our politicians haven't had the same idea.
 
DENALI said:
Hey rancidsumo, maybe these kids are gang bangers that tormented this guy everyday for years, maybe they've continually vandalised his property, maybe anything other than the nonsense your parading about took place and this guy just snapped. And lastly, if a 13, 14, or 15 year old came into my home and for whatever reason physically assaulted me in any way, and I felt threatend enough, I'd drill em just as fast as this fellow did....And my taste is not nearly as poor as your judgement obviously is......
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He didn't go into the guys house and assault him. He hit him with a snowball, intentionally or not it's not a deadly force situation. I don't care how much someone taunts, harasses, vandalizes, or drug deals in front of your house it isn't justification for shooting them. Justification for many many phone calls to the police yes, but not executing them. And that's what he did to this kid. Shooting an unarmed person in the head, especially at point blank range, is an execution.
 
Hey joe,
Guess what? innocent until proven, innocent until proven, innocent until proven, innocent until proven, innocent until proven, keep chanting joe until you get it....Not that it matters joe, but it's a Bill of Right's, not a joe is right...........
 
And lastly, if a 13, 14, or 15 year old came into my home and for whatever reason physically assaulted me in any way, and I felt threatend enough, I'd drill em just as fast as this fellow did....
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It said that he went away and then came back with a gun and the kid tried to apologize but didn't work and he shot him in the head.

Philadelphia police detectives said they are actively searching for the gunman who they believe is a resident of the same block.
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So maybe they acted like 16 year olds or harassed some people as they came through on past days, but maybe not targeting this man in particular. If they didn't know who he was and the police are trying to find out who this man is, did they target him in particular? Why didn't they recognize him?



I agree with innocent until proven guilty and that this man deserves a jury trial. What I think a lot of people are saying is if they find out who this man was, he's basically toast. When reading news stories, people also make judgements even before trial dates, which is natural. On THR, people share personal experiences where they didn't think it was fair how someone judged them for owning a gun. Even if the anti-gun person wasn't convicted of harassing gun lovers, people still make judgements, even if it doesn't go to court.
 
man thats messed up...i cant even think of that happening to my son,,if its like the story said...if that happen to my son i dont think i could take the highroad, id probably be saying good bye to my rkba....

kids hit my car about a month ago i yelled at them they shouldnt be doing that, some idiot would hurt them in to days time
 
I don't care how much someone taunts, harasses, vandalizes, or drug deals in front of your house it isn't justification for shooting them.
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It certainly doesn't and if that is the case I don't think anyone is saying that they think the man's actions are just or right, but that they feel less sympathy for the victim. I would compare it to the guys mauled at the zoo after taunting the tiger. Its a shame a person got hurt needlessly but if you continually poke the tiger, you will eventually get the claws and not everyone is going to be sympathetic toward you. I also think part of it is backlash against countless media stories of "this poor child was a victim...." and then we later find out that child was quite a terrible person who did some pretty bad things. By default we become conditioned to assume that most people who are involved in something like this are far from innocent. Of course at this point its all just speculation and we probably have no idea what really went on.
 
Denali, how can you take up for this guy. Unless the 16 year old was throwing grenades, there was no reason to shoot him. You do realize that we are talking about a snowball right? Snowball...snowball...snowball...snowball...snowball...say that until you get it. The kid threw a freaking snowball at an adult on what was apparently a piece of neutral ground. I'll give you credit. The reporter did a horrible job, and there may be a reason for this shooting to be justified. If the kid had a gun or a knife and was threatening the shooter, fine. It's justified. If not, the guy should take a seat in an electric chair.
 
"All these neigbors saw it, his friends saw it, and no one is able to tell the police who this man was who shot him."

The gangbangers in Philadelphia launched the "No Snitching" campaign about a year ago. It's been pretty well puclicized in the local news. They walk around with orange t-shirts that have "No Snithching" printed on the front. The law-abiding people in the neighborhood feel threatened, and don't call police, which is the whole intention of "No Snitching".
 
Family and friends celebrating Tavin's birthday heard gunshots and found him bleeding on the front porch.

"We ran outside and saw Tavin laying on the step," said the victim's friend Mercedes Lebron. "When I picked him up, smoke stared coming out of his head … He still was breathing and we told him keep breathing, calm down."


Not so sure there were actually witnesses.


No way did the kid deserve a bullet in the face.
 
I'm not taking up for anyone! I'm becoming disgusted though with this monkey see, monkey do sort of sense of justice thats been wafting about this thread. The only thing I've done is stand up for the "Bill of Rights" and counsel others not to be so absolutist and rash in their conclusions about this story!
 
Its a shame a person got hurt needlessly but if you continually poke the tiger, you will eventually get the claws and not everyone is going to be sympathetic toward you.
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It said he apologized, but it didn't work and he shot him in the head.
 
If some say that they could be wrong, but that they think it's disgusting what happened, they're not against the Bill of Rights. No one knows who the killer was, so no one is saying, "This particular person is the one who committed the murder although there's been no trial yet." After many murders, people often say that they feel sympathy or anger even though no one has been convicted yet. Before a trial even happens, there's always going to be people saying "justified"/"unjustified", "guilty"/"innocent". How do they even get expert witnesses to come into a trial who weren't there but can say something, if you can't say anything before a verdict has been made? After September 11, people were upset and sad even though no one had been convicted yet.
 
The gangbangers in Philadelphia launched the "No Snitching" campaign about a year ago. It's been pretty well puclicized in the local news. They walk around with orange t-shirts that have "No Snithching" printed on the front. The law-abiding people in the neighborhood feel threatened, and don't call police, which is the whole intention of "No Snitching".
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That is a possibility, and since the news reports say that many neighbors left candles and cards where the incident took place, and many neighbors took part in a vigil, I'm not so sure that he was a gang member or his friend he was playing with. If they were all frightened from his friend he was playing with or perhaps him, it just seems out of the ordinary all the candles, cards, and the vigil from the neighbors. If the murderer was a gangster, since everyone seemed so distraught and how sad they were on the news, it'd seem like someone would talk.

A news video online said that there were a few words exchanged after the snow ball hit him, then he went away and came back with a gun on the. It doesn't say how the words were exchanged before he left and who placed the most words. But if they don't know who the murderer is and the kid is dead and they knew details like words were exchanged and that the kid apologized but it didn't work, there must have been witnesses.
 
On another forum I no longer really participate in, the internet commandos told me they would basiclaly shoot a 5-6 year old with a red ryder if shot with it or someone who shot them with a paintball marker as as paintballs could be frozen and put their eye out.

I really am surprised with the amout of guns in the USA and the amount of stupid people out there that there actually is some self control and judgement when in comes to using deadly force.
 
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