Man Shoots Teen During Snowball Fight

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Makattak, you and several others are now engaging in sophistry! If you stick with the facts, all we apparently know for certain, is that a man shot and killed a boy.
 
Funny how people get so personal about being hit by snowballs. When I was a kid, I hit a car with one... the guy jumped out, chased me down and tackled me in the mud. Funny thing is that I knew him... he was an ex-missionary for the Mormons, and he was a seminary teacher. I was 13 years old and weighed about 95 lbs.
There was no damage to his car either. So much for Christ-like forgiveness. I'm glad that nut-job didn't have a gun.
 
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Funny how people get so personal about being hit by snowballs. When I was a kid, I hit a car with one...
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Umm... it is assault and you could do damage to someone's car. Those souond like legitimate reasons to me.
 
Makattak, you and several others are now engaging in sophistry! If you stick with the facts, all we apparently know for certain, is that a man shot and killed a boy.
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Actually, given your reluctance to accept this story, we do not even know that a man shot a boy, we do know that a boy has been shot somehow.

Now, from what has been said, I extrapolate that someone who has shot and killed a youth for throwing a snowball should be put to death.

I have not called for a lynching.

I have not condemned any specific person, given that the story has said the identity of the shooter is not known.

Is it possible the boy was shot accidentally by friends and they made this story up to cover it up? Yes, but as we are not on a jury, we don't have to try to figure out what really happened. I can, therefore make a judgement on the crime that was reported WITHOUT knowing it was what happened.

I would then say that anyone who shoots and kills a boy simply for throwing a snowball should be put to death.

If this situation does not fit that judgement, different consequences will apply.

How is it people are so confused by judging actions and judging people?
 
Ithaca37
Eh, he's just a kid and its nonlethal force. Some kids were TPing my house one time, so I grabbed a roll, went out through the back and snuck up behind them (I love hallowween) and threw mine. The kids were having a ball, then I asked them who lived there. They said some guy who didnt give them enough candy. One kid however, was ghost white (he knew who i was). You gotta give people a little leeway or end up being a totalitarian. Are you going to sue someone b/c thier dog took a dump on your yard? Are you going to pull a gun out and blow someone away b/c they chucked a snowball at you? Seems a little rash for that. Maybe that is the exact attitude the original shooter had.
 
There you go Ithaca37, thats a fact. In my jurisdiction and I imagine in many of yours to, it's assault to throw an object at another person without their consent. While on the surface it's no reason to go and gun someone down, it does mitigate the circumstances a bit, at least in the eyes of the court!
I believe there's more to this story then is currently available...
 
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Makattak, you and several others are now engaging in sophistry! If you stick with the facts, all we apparently know for certain, is that a man shot and killed a boy.

Actually, given your reluctance to accept this story, we do not even know that a man shot a boy, we do know that a boy has been shot somehow.

Now, from what has been said, I extrapolate that someone who has shot and killed a youth for throwing a snowball should be put to death.

I have not called for a lynching.

I have not condemned any specific person, given that the story has said the identity of the shooter is not known.

Is it possible the boy was shot accidentally by friends and they made this story up to cover it up? Yes, but as we are not on a jury, we don't have to try to figure out what really happened. I can, therefore make a judgement on the crime that was reported WITHOUT knowing it was what happened.

I would then say that anyone who shoots and kills a boy simply for throwing a snowball should be put to death.

If this situation does not fit that judgement, different consequences will apply.

How is it people are so confused by judging actions and judging people?
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Exactly.
Just what we have been saying, we are condeming a certain action not a certain person.
 
Oh, the kid spoke up really quick, but the plus side was I didnt get angry or anything. Whats the point? The yard was already trashed, yelling wasnt going to make it clean. Heck, I even threw a roll b/c Ive never TPed anything in my life (fun stuff). I ended giving into the kid's ransom with more candy and the little pirates cleaned up the yard the next day (even without me asking b/c i thought I needed to clean the gutters anyway), racked my lawn and even gave me a discount on snow shovling! More flies with honey, huh?

I guess I want to say that we dont know 100% about the case in question. It may very well be a nutcase or similar, but I do withdraw my previousl comment about doing in the shooter b/c lack of evidence sort of made me angry about the situation. Ive always been good natured, but I let the lack of evidence get the best of me.
 
Whatever happened to the days when the neighbor would have simply thrown back another snowball and that'd be it? I guess we don't really know our neighbors that well anymore.
 
I would then say that anyone who shoots and kills a boy simply for throwing a snowball should be put to death.

If this situation does not fit that judgement, different consequences will apply.
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I think this is where the confusion lies. Denali is pointing out that there very well may be a different story then "a man shoots a boy over a snow ball". We don't know that. Hell we don't really know that the kid was unarmed. what if him and his thug friends were hassling the guy and he "flashed a piece", then after the kid was shot, one of his friends took the gun from him. we don't know that. All we have is a poorly written story that is just an extrapolation of the "telephone game". We all know facts can be left out on purpose or accident, not to mention that people can *gasp* lie.

I don't think that Denali would argue that shooting a kid for throwing a snowball is a bad move. I also don't think that he would disagree that going away and coming back to shoot said kid was a bad idea. but I think we can all agree that we would like to have someone like him on our jury if we got caught up in a situation where EVERYTHING pointed to us being guilty when we weren't.
 
Hmm- we don't know that much, for certain.
What we do know is that a 16 year old was shot and killed.
According to the article (which might not be completely reliable), the kid was throwing snowballs, one hit someone, that someone confronted him, the kid apologized, that someone went, got a gun, and executed the kid.
Now, while there are thousands of various reasons, justifications, and things we don't know, if we are to believe what we're told, than yes, the shooter should get the death penalty.
 
This story is spinning out of control. All kinds of assumptions flying around. We do know for a fact that the kid is dead. Oh wait, I wasn't there and I wasn't at the autopsy so I guess even the kid's death is in question too.

Bad neighborhood, kid might have had a gun, the guy might have been harassed.... blah blah blah... any more fertilizer you guys want to throw on this? Maye the kid Killed Jon Benet Ramsey? I mean, I wasn't there so I can't be sure and neither can you.

ASSUMING the kid really is dead and I realize I'm out on a limb here, the compelling fact for me is that they can't find the shooter. WHOEVER, and yes, maybe it was the CIA, shot this kid is feeling guilty about what he or she did and that tells me a lot of what I want to know about this story.

For those of you who fancy yourselves pseudo lawyers, I'll point out that we are all on an internet forum, not in a court of law sitting on a jury. There's really no harm in speculating or wanting the shooter to pay for his crime.

For all you Johnny Cochran Wannabe's out there, I will say that based on the little information we have I want the shooter hung by a rope, BUT I am not in anyway involved in this case so what I want, at this time, based on the little information we have, doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

Still, just to watch a few of the known quantities bang there head into a wall, I'd love to read, BASED ONLY ON THE FACTS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE, how the shooter was justified in shooting the kid for hitting him with a snowball.

Ya know, based only on the facts available to us right now...

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:barf: Thats how you much you impress me with your silly attempt at psycho-babbling your way around the parts of the constitution you probably have never even read, let alone understand...:barf: Bet you'd be the first to cry foul were the tables turned...Kneejerk is the term that springs forth from your effort!
 
US News
Philadelphia's new nickname 'Killadelphia,' teen killers rampant

By Karyn Chenoweth Oct 15, 2007, 13:46 GMT

"You got a good-looking girlfriend, you're going to get shot; someone wants her," said 17-year-old Andre, who asked his last name not be used for his interview with CNN.

"If you're getting a little money, you're going to get shot -- someone wants that. Any way you look at it, it's just a bad situation."

Andre was interviewed by CNN for a special report spotlighting the flip side of Philadelphia, the mean streets of Philadelphia's Southside neighborhood.

Andre's brother was shot and killed in front of his home by another teenager.

"It makes you feel stronger, powerful, a bigger man," he said of having a gun. "You even walk differently when you have a gun on you."

CNN reports the crime rates in Philadelphia, specifically murder rates, are through the roof. Though it's spread throughout the city, the problem of youth violence is most acute in the southern, southwestern and northern parts.

CNN reports that over the past couple of years, Philadelphia's murder rate reached highs not seen since the 1980s, according to the Philadelphia Police Department. So far this year, more than 315 people have been killed, a pace of well over a murder a day, police said.

That's a higher rate, according to FBI statistics, than much larger cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York.

But what makes todays crime statistics in Philadelphia different from years past in is that now the killers are overwhelmingly teenagers, according to the Philadelphia Police Department and the Philadelphia District Attorney's office.

"They just shoot at anything and everybody, without even looking," said Shawn Banks, a former drug dealer and gang member. Now in his 30s, he said the new generation that rules the streets is made up of kids who shoot first and never consider the consequences.

"They [are] not respecting themselves and they don't have any value for human life," he said.

Nineteen percent of those held at Philadelphia's overcrowded juvenile detention center, The Youth Study Center, are guilty of committing violent crimes. This is in addition to those juveniles serving time at a nearby adult facility for more serious violent crimes like murder. Nearly one in four juveniles at the center become repeat offenders.

Staff members at the youth facility said whenever a teenager makes headlines, chances are it's someone they know.

Helping kids at the center can be difficult, according to some.

"Maybe they're here for 9 -12 months, but if they spent 13 years in an environment that maybe isn't good and has a bad influence on them, you're going to lean on those 13 years," said counselor Nelson Walker.

But the office of Philadelphia Mayor John Street said the city works hard to reach high-risk kids.

"We are not going to deny that we have a problem here," said Joe Grace, spokesman for the mayor's office. "And we work aggressively to work with young kids who we consider high risk."

Grace touts the Philadelphia anti-violence, anti-drug program, which targets kids who have been through the justice system and are on probation. The city tries to help them avoid becoming repeat offenders.

As a caseworker meeting on a daily basis with juvenile offenders, Shondell Revell knows what the streets can do to a young person.

"These kids are hard, because their neighborhoods are hard," he said. "They don't see the other side of life."

Reaching out to younger siblings of juvenile criminals is particularly important to stopping the cycle of violence, said Revell.

But Andre tells CNN the pull of violent street life is strong and that offenders often end up going back to the life they knew in order to survive.

"Shooting, stabbing, killing, whatever it is -- whatever you gotta do to survive," he said to CNN.
 
your silly attempt at psycho-babbling your way around the parts of the constitution you probably have never even read, let alone understand
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I actually own a couple of copies of the constitution in book form. One goes almost everywhere with me.

Since you seem to fancy yourself a constitutional scholar, perhaps you'd like to show us where I tried to "psycho-babble" or anything else around the constitution?

Maybe you're just all hat and no cattle.

Reading comprehension has failed you.
 
Sometimes you don't have to work very hard to prove a point. Sometimes it proves itself.


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Is this what you do? Troll about and instigate conflict like your buddy scorpiusdeus used to? Where's that gonna get you? You've not contributed one shred of insight to what at one time was a neat thread. No, just spreading hate and discontent. See ya!
 
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