Man Shoots Teen During Snowball Fight

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Show me where I instigated a conflict. We disagreed on a point, and you blew up about it. I'm just sick of the attitude and I believe THR deserves better than that. Perhaps we should take this to PM instead of hashing this out in a post. I apologize to the OP for the thread drift. If anyone else has been offended or put off by my comments, again I apologize. Mods, do what you must.
 
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Philadelphia maybe where the kid got shot and killed. A different world with a different mindset. Housing is probably much cheaper then where you are presently living. Care to go and live there? Same applies to Atlanta, Baltimore, New Orleans, Memphis, Gary Indiana, Chicago, Detroit, Richmond. Guess what? Where there is a general high rate of violent crime as a general rule of thumb there is no allowance of concealed carrying a pistol. Where there is a high density of drugs and murders, no conceal carry.
 
So I guess I won't be seeing where I tried to get around the Constitution huh? Just as I suspected, all hat....

We can all sit here and debate till the cows come home how bad the neighborhood was or wasn't. We can fabricates, manipulate and prognosticate as to how much conflict the two parties had prior to the incident, and still no one has been able to show, based on the facts available, how this shooting may have been justified.

Sadly a young life is snuffed out FOR NO REASON.

It's a tragic story and to a lesser degree, but still sadly, it gives all of us gun owners a black eye.



Oh, and the 2008 award for overuse and abuse of the :barf: emoticon goes to....
 
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Hey mod's is this not enough? these two have shared nothing but personal venom towards those who've committed the offense of having a contrary opinion........Lock er up..
 
Hey mod's is this not enough? these two have shared nothing but personal venom towards those who've committed the offense of having a contrary opinion........Lock er up..
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I fail to see much in the way of personal venom.

On my part, I fail to see where I attacked a person at all. You attack claiming "sophistry" and "ignoring the constitution" which I, thankfully have read. However, I will still defend my position: It is right, it is just to condemn a crime.

I will not judge a person from one single article, but I will judge a crime.

However, if it is innocent until proven guilty, do you beleive O.J. Simpson to be innocent?
 
Hey mod's is this not enough? these two have shared nothing but personal venom towards those who've committed the offense of having a contrary opinion........Lock er up..
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Still no proof that I tried to get around the constitution huh? No surprise.

Should I even bother asking where my personal venom is?

I will agree that this thread should probably be locked. We've exhausted all options and all that's left is you leveling accusations you can't prove.

I'll unite with you in the hope that this thread is locked. See, we can always find a common ground. :)

My thoughts and prayers to the family of this poor young INNOCENT victim.
 
I don't think anyone is suggesting a lynch mob be put together to go find this guy. Why is it that a member can not condemn a crime? Can we not all agree that if the story is as they say it is, then this is a serious crime. I'm all for due process, but if the guy is guilty he should fry.

Also, this is yet another black eye for the gun owning community. The media already portrays us as bad guys, as gun toting neanderthals, and then this. All of you have to agree that the media spin here makes all of us look bad.

Like I said before, unless this kid was armed, unless he was throwing hand grenades. The shooting probably isn't justified. If the guy had a legitimate reason to fire his weapon, then I think we can all agree that he has since handled the situation very poorly.

The name calling and anger is not justified (I'm pointing the finger squarely at myself as well as others.) We are mostly adults here. We should conduct ourselves accordingly. Again, my comments last night were way off base and should not have been posted on a public board, hence I removed them and offered my apologies. The words are no less true and I stand behind them. I don't know if there is any chance of salvaging this thread, but we all need to take a good long look in the mirror for the sake of future threads.
 
Instead of getting into a pissing contest over an unclear scenario without further information, you folks could have chose the grown up option. It would have been quite easy to wait until the investigation progresses and then comment on the scene, motive, criminal history of the actors involved, in an intelligent and possibly informative way.

Instead we have a thread of over five pages in length with only three posts that actually contain anything pertinent to the event. Way to go. Thanks for clustering this one. Hell of job! Keep up the good work!:banghead:
 
Ok, guilt or innocence aside, I just can't see any possible scenario where someone would be justified in shooting an unarmed person in the head at point blank range.

Can we all atleast agree to that?
 
I can feel the love here...

What if...
The "man" did not leave the scene to retrieve a weapon..?
The "boy" threatened the "man" with a weapon..?
The "boy"'s friends scarfed up his weapon before police arrived..?
The "snowball" was, in fact, a rock..?
The "group of teens" was really a gang of thugs..?
We had facts outside of those given by the "media"..?

Sounds like we don't really know what went on...
We should never assume that the media is going to publish a story without
a spin to make it more exciting to the masses.
"Reporting" the news is a thing of the past.
P:neener:
 
"That is a possibility, and since the news reports say that many neighbors left candles and cards where the incident took place, and many neighbors took part in a vigil, I'm not so sure that he was a gang member or his friend he was playing with."

From what I saw on the news, I don't think the victim was a gang member either. I don't know about the shooter. The point is, people in the neighborhoods are scared to death to report crimes. There are 12 year olds walking around with guns, in Philly. A few months ago, a nine year old shot another kid.

Last year, Philly reached it's annual homocide quota in April. No wonder people are afraid.
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Mike101,

What I was just trying to point out is: Some say that we probably don't know much of the story and this kid was probably harrassing this man frequently in the past. I was just saying if no one knows who this man is, and there were witnesses who said they saw what happened, and his friend was there with him, I could be wrong but I'm thinking there's a good chance that this 16 year old kid didn't interact with this man knowingly before it happened. If he did, maybe it was just some one random passerby and he didn't harrass him specifically. If the shooter is a gang member, then I don't know if it was the 16 year old kid specifically who was the one who harrassed the other. We know there were witnesses because the kids friend was there and it says that a snow ball hit the man, the man went away and came back with a gun, the kid apologized, it didn't work and he was shot. For those type of details to happen, there must have been a witness(es). If the witnesses were threatened, then I'm wondering why they would have only left out the part of who the man was, but not the details? If I was a gang member and threatened someone, I wouldn't want them to say anything (in addition to who I was) because it would be a lot more difficult to find the me if it was just completely silent and the police just found the kid lying there without any background details.
 
Right, you have to delete your post, then turn around and blame your immaturity on the guy you personally attacked. Your the type that will troll from thread to thread along with your new pal Mw and do nothing but attack anyone or anything that you don't agree with. And as to anyone who thinks this an overeaction on my part, you didn't see what this gentleman wrote because he deleted it. You might remember that before selecting me for your condemnation, none of the rest of us felt compelled to delete our posts out of the fear we'd be bannished from the site.
I'm more than certain thats not THR way!
 
Further, what I'm apparently guilty of is standing my ground after making the point, it might be wise to wait on all the facts before having a hanging party.
This approach does require an element of maturity, and patience...
 
Mad Chemist, are you suggesting that this thread is any different from countless other threads in THR that have followed the same pattern? I thought THR was a discussion forum, not a court of law. While it would be nice to have all the facts clearly outlined, I have no problem with members, myself included, posting their opinions. Has there been a rule change that I don't know about? Are opinions no longer allowed? Do we need to start citing sources for every comment we make now?

Not trying to start a flame war, or make a beef with you personally, but the thread was started, it seems as a discussion of the incident. There were few facts and some comments were in bad taste. I think most of the posters made it clear they were against the act and not the suspect. The conversation with other members is part of the reason I choose to log on to THR. If I want to be bombarded with facts and sources I'll go to a technical site.
 
And actually, Denali, I deleted the post out of respect for you and THR. The mods know exactly what I posted. I think you should check my track record at THR before throwing out the troll accusation. Seems I've never had a problem with anybody here until now.

And where is this over reaction you seem to think is taking place. I haven't seen anyone pick one side or another.

Also, check my posts regarding this incident. Nowhere have I called for a hanging party, nor can I remember anyone else doing so. I will again suggest that if you have something to say, you say it in the form of a PM for the sake of the thread.
 
Further, what I'm apparently guilty of is standing my ground after making the point, it might be wise to wait on all the facts before having a hanging party.
This approach does require an element of maturity, and patience...
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Hmmm, calls for the thread to be closed and then posts to it? Very interesting tactic.

So, when can I expect you to back up your assertion that I tried to get around certain parts of the constitution?

While no one else felt compelled to delete a post, I'm sure many of us felt compelled to write a very angry post, but then thought better of it. I know I did.

Further, what I'm apparently guilty of is standing my ground after making the point
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Why is that when anyone disagrees with you, YOU accuse them of being a troll, but when you disagree with others you are just standing your ground?

I made a post that was on topic and I did not attack any individual here, but you attacked me.
 
sig2022shooter, that's by far the most absurd post in this thread. A kid playing with a snowball does not deserve to get shot in the head. Take that attitude to another website.
 
im saying if the punk kid wanted to stay alive and live a long life he shouldve acted more appropriately and maturely. its been established that he was obviously the little neighborhood hell raiser and this time the guy who shot him had enough of his ****. people are crazy and they will do crazy things when pissed off enough, the punk kid went a step too far it seems. its a shame his parents didnt raise him to be a well mannered young man, he might still be alive.

i didnt say the shooting was justified because in the laws eyes it definitely wasnt.
 
sig2022shooter, can you show me a link that proves this kid was "the little neighborhood hell raiser"? All I have seen is that the kid threw a snowball at somebody. How many adults wouldn't be here today if someone had blasted them over a childish act? I

It's easy to say the kid got what he had coming until it happens to someone related to you. I don't care what Tavin Rutledge did every other day of his life. He didn't deserve to get shot in the head over a SNOWBALL.

You can't make me believe that you really think the kid deserved this. That is internet talk.
 
I don't care if there were words exchanged.. It's just words. Snowball? It's just a freaking snowball.. Even if there was a rock in it, big deal.. Doesnt justify the guy killing the kid. The guy was in the wrong for going and getting a gun and shooting the kid period. I don't care what it is, just no.
 
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