Marchers say gringos, not illegals, have to go
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50 Shooter
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longeyes
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What I take from that is simple: in some cultures tribalism is alive and well. And tribalism is death for a Republic. When your philosophy is "somos carnales," there is going to be trouble ahead.
Tomcat1066
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As someone far from the areas that these Mexicans want to claim (or is it reclaim) for Mexico, I just have one thing to say...
...my ammo is ready to come and help you guys if it's needed.
Tom
...my ammo is ready to come and help you guys if it's needed.
Tom
Only if one allows the Mexican nationals/illegal immigrants to make it one.
That is part of the stradigy to make this work for them. Illegal is illegal and it doesn't have a race in my outrage over what's happening to this country.
Our manufacturing base is disappearing when big business's can move it to oversea's locations that have cheap labor and loose environmental laws .
Then the illegals are drawn into the US labor market by businesses that want cheap labor here in the US . Let the tax payers provide for them the benifits that the employer's would be helping pay for in the past - like health care.
Our fathers built the greatest economic country in the world with their sweat and work ethic - our politicians are selling that equity to business for the money that lines their pockets and their campain accounts.
If you look to the future and see problems with that - your probably awake.
As tax payers we have gone from less than a trillion dollars in debt in 1980 to over 9 trillion in debt today. Who's going to pay that bill ? Workers in China, or illegal workers here ?? I don't think so . Just my opinion though - I hope the future proves me wrong.
CentralTexas
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Get your supplies
And meet me in San Antone at the Mission of the Alamo, we'll hold 'em of until Sam Houston and his men get here.....
And meet me in San Antone at the Mission of the Alamo, we'll hold 'em of until Sam Houston and his men get here.....
spartacus2002
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Exactly.
And the message of the Mexican flag over the upside-down American flag is one that history has recognized for generations -- conquest.
Sorry to play the devil's advocate, but what do you guys expect?
If the U.S. political system wasn't so self-serving, corrupt and biased, then this problem wouldn't be a problem at all.
The Mexican/Mexican-Americans are playing the political game as best they can, using whatever resources they have available. Politics is politics. What do you expect them to do, give up? Play by "the rules," even though playing by "the rules" won't get them very far?
Like it or not, they are trying to do something for themselves, since no one else will do much for them. How can you blame someone for that?
It's not fair the average U.S. citizen that various mobs, corporations and political entities have an incredible amount of power over their lives, and yet abuse that power regularly. And the average citizen apparently doesn't do much about it, either. But now when this groups wants in, all of a sudden it's a big problem that their (political) group is seeking power.
They didn't make the game or the rules, they are just playing their hand as best they could.
I don't agree with foreigners entering this country illegally, but the blame (and anger) needs to be placed exactly where it belongs: With our leaders, laws, lawmakers and other government agencies that have allowed this situation to continue to spiral away from their control.
Toppling governments halfway around the world is OK, but doing something about your neighbor's notoriously corrupt government is not important?
If the U.S. political system wasn't so self-serving, corrupt and biased, then this problem wouldn't be a problem at all.
The Mexican/Mexican-Americans are playing the political game as best they can, using whatever resources they have available. Politics is politics. What do you expect them to do, give up? Play by "the rules," even though playing by "the rules" won't get them very far?
Like it or not, they are trying to do something for themselves, since no one else will do much for them. How can you blame someone for that?
It's not fair the average U.S. citizen that various mobs, corporations and political entities have an incredible amount of power over their lives, and yet abuse that power regularly. And the average citizen apparently doesn't do much about it, either. But now when this groups wants in, all of a sudden it's a big problem that their (political) group is seeking power.
They didn't make the game or the rules, they are just playing their hand as best they could.
I don't agree with foreigners entering this country illegally, but the blame (and anger) needs to be placed exactly where it belongs: With our leaders, laws, lawmakers and other government agencies that have allowed this situation to continue to spiral away from their control.
Toppling governments halfway around the world is OK, but doing something about your neighbor's notoriously corrupt government is not important?
Isn't this lovely. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.
www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/14203755.htm
Biker
www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/14203755.htm
Biker
longeyes
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Of course our government, acting as if they were an arm of the business community, has enabled this problem. We know that. We know the scoundrels have to go.
But that doesn't justify what the illegal aliens are doing. This is not their country, period. Their desire to work doesn't entitle them to citizenship or privileges.
But that doesn't justify what the illegal aliens are doing. This is not their country, period. Their desire to work doesn't entitle them to citizenship or privileges.
50 Shooter
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Biker,
Welcome to the United States of Mexico!
Welcome to the United States of Mexico!
I have to say that there is a whole lot of ugly in the fairly near future. I see it happening in Idaho, for God's sake.
They're spreading east from Boise and wherever they go, meth, disease, and general crime follows.
Man, I hate accordian music...
Biker
They're spreading east from Boise and wherever they go, meth, disease, and general crime follows.
Man, I hate accordian music...
Biker
longeyes
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Those who say that the American people are apathetic are mistaken. Most have yet to recognize that we are in a moment of gravest political crisis. But those who do know are, many of them, in a state of utter shock, momentarily paralyzed. Betrayal, on the scale that we are currently experiencing it, will do that to you.
longeyes
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Biker, Vicente Fox is celebrating way, way too soon. This is not over by a long shot.
I agree about the accordions.
TX35
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When the time comes to rise up & face the invaders (it will), Americans will be coming out of everywhere to fight. I for one will be standing right next to them!!
God Bless America
God Bless America
Lupinus
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coming? at this rate it is just about here
Sorry to say it but I think the America where the citizen would rise up to do the job the goverment wont has come and gone in many areas.
Sorry to say it but I think the America where the citizen would rise up to do the job the goverment wont has come and gone in many areas.
TheArchDuke
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Mexican race a mixture of Central American Indian and Spanish? I.E. they are half 'evil conquering European'. Where do they think their language came from?
Master Blaster
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Hopefully they will riot.
That would be the biggest mistake that they ever could make. Rioting in a few large cities, will be as effective at galvanizing the electorate and our congress critters against them as anything you or I could say or do. Amnesty will crash and burn, and you will start to see roundups and mass deportations. Their supporters faced with an actual physical threat to their SUVs and McMansions from their servants and gardeners will turn the libs and the pols against them overnight.
A conservative is a liberal thats been mugged.
I'm hoping for a few good riots to get this whole mess straightened out PDQ.
Remember when we were getting ready to recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan anyone????????? HINT, HINT.
dmallind
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plus ça change....
http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/seventeen.html
Excerpt....
Immigration, Persecution, and Divisiveness
Like Judaism, Catholicism was not seen as a threat to the Protestant project in the early years of the nineteenth century. In 1790, there were only 30,000 Catholics in the entire country, but 40 years latter that number had grown to 600,000. When the first Provincial Council of Catholic Bishops was held in Baltimore in 1829, it served to reveal to non-Catholic Americans that the church was, to use Sydney Ahlstrom's description, a "substantial, growing, and well organized reality."
As Catholicism grew steadily (primarily, but not exclusively through immigration), it began to threaten Protestant hopes for the future of America. Americans proved ill-equipped to welcome so many strangers into their midst. If that were not enough, few Protestants bothered to understand Catholic life in a Protestant America, and many saw Catholicism through the lens of the Reformation and Puritanism. (Although Puritanism was long gone, it had left behind a legacy of anti-Catholicism. You may recall, Puritans came to America to flee the wrath that was about to come down on England because it had chosen the wrong side in the Thirty Years War.)
As Robert T. Handy has pointed out, while many Protestant leaders opposed mob actions, "in their effort to keep under control those who were not persuaded by their vision of a Christian America," Protestants created "an atmosphere in which unpleasant and unjust things happened." In 1820, the first wave of Irish settlement began that would eventually swell to four and one half million Irish before a century was over. Life in Ireland had become intolerable due to poverty, hunger, and want. During the 1830's, 200,000 Irish arrived in America. But this number grew exponentially with the Potato blight of 1845 that resulted in the deaths of 1.5 million Irish. With the coming of the blight, the exodus from Ireland took became a desperate scramble. By 1850, there were 962,000 Irish in the United States, and that number nearly doubled over the next ten years.
This wave of immigration left Protestants deeply fearful. Such prominent Protestant leaders as Lyman Beecher and Horace Bushnell incited anti-Irish and anti-Catholic mobs in the 1830's and 1840's. In the 1840's, when there was a major influx of Irish immigrants, the number of Catholics in America had soared to 1.75 million, leading to the formation of the inter-denominational American Protestant Association was organized to coordinate the various anti-Catholic groups. Many of the Protestant voluntary societies also participated in the anti-catholic agitation. Many Protestants believed that any group that threatened their efforts to build a Christian America was not deserving of the protections of religious freedom, and not surprisingly, they did not receive them.
In the post-war period as Catholic immigration continued to grow exponentially (new Catholics came from many of the same Eastern European countries as did the Jews), opposition to Catholicism grew along with it. Josiah Strong in his widely read book Our Country listed immigration as one of seven perils facing America, the others being Romanism, Mormonism, intemperance, socialism, wealth, and the city. He wrote: "during the last four years we have suffered a peaceful invasion by an army, more than twice as vast as the estimated number of Goths and Vandals that swept over Southern Europe and overwhelmed Rome." What was of particular concern to the Protestants was the number of Catholics coming to America. From 1880-1900, two and a half million Catholics arrived, further threatening the Protestant vision of America.
A focal point of the conflict between Protestants and Catholics was the education system. For their part Protestants distrusted the alleged subservience of Catholics to their priests, and many echoed Daniel Dorchester of the Evangelical Alliance who stated: "We believe the Roman Catholic Church is inimical to the best progress of society, and in direct antagonism to the historic religion of the nation--the religion of the Holy Scriptures." Catholics, on the other hand were concerned about the increasing Protestant tone of many public schools (public education was seen by most Protestants as a way to inculcate the next generation with the generic "Christian" values shared by all Protestants). When Catholics moved to build a parochial school system in response to this persistent generic "Christian" indoctrination, their efforts were viewed by many Protestants as a threat to the on-going effort to build a Christian commonwealth through a system of public education.
Sound familiar? Of course being about religion (overtly) rather than national origin (supposedly) there is absolutely NO parallel now is there? :banghead:
http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/seventeen.html
Excerpt....
Immigration, Persecution, and Divisiveness
Like Judaism, Catholicism was not seen as a threat to the Protestant project in the early years of the nineteenth century. In 1790, there were only 30,000 Catholics in the entire country, but 40 years latter that number had grown to 600,000. When the first Provincial Council of Catholic Bishops was held in Baltimore in 1829, it served to reveal to non-Catholic Americans that the church was, to use Sydney Ahlstrom's description, a "substantial, growing, and well organized reality."
As Catholicism grew steadily (primarily, but not exclusively through immigration), it began to threaten Protestant hopes for the future of America. Americans proved ill-equipped to welcome so many strangers into their midst. If that were not enough, few Protestants bothered to understand Catholic life in a Protestant America, and many saw Catholicism through the lens of the Reformation and Puritanism. (Although Puritanism was long gone, it had left behind a legacy of anti-Catholicism. You may recall, Puritans came to America to flee the wrath that was about to come down on England because it had chosen the wrong side in the Thirty Years War.)
As Robert T. Handy has pointed out, while many Protestant leaders opposed mob actions, "in their effort to keep under control those who were not persuaded by their vision of a Christian America," Protestants created "an atmosphere in which unpleasant and unjust things happened." In 1820, the first wave of Irish settlement began that would eventually swell to four and one half million Irish before a century was over. Life in Ireland had become intolerable due to poverty, hunger, and want. During the 1830's, 200,000 Irish arrived in America. But this number grew exponentially with the Potato blight of 1845 that resulted in the deaths of 1.5 million Irish. With the coming of the blight, the exodus from Ireland took became a desperate scramble. By 1850, there were 962,000 Irish in the United States, and that number nearly doubled over the next ten years.
This wave of immigration left Protestants deeply fearful. Such prominent Protestant leaders as Lyman Beecher and Horace Bushnell incited anti-Irish and anti-Catholic mobs in the 1830's and 1840's. In the 1840's, when there was a major influx of Irish immigrants, the number of Catholics in America had soared to 1.75 million, leading to the formation of the inter-denominational American Protestant Association was organized to coordinate the various anti-Catholic groups. Many of the Protestant voluntary societies also participated in the anti-catholic agitation. Many Protestants believed that any group that threatened their efforts to build a Christian America was not deserving of the protections of religious freedom, and not surprisingly, they did not receive them.
In the post-war period as Catholic immigration continued to grow exponentially (new Catholics came from many of the same Eastern European countries as did the Jews), opposition to Catholicism grew along with it. Josiah Strong in his widely read book Our Country listed immigration as one of seven perils facing America, the others being Romanism, Mormonism, intemperance, socialism, wealth, and the city. He wrote: "during the last four years we have suffered a peaceful invasion by an army, more than twice as vast as the estimated number of Goths and Vandals that swept over Southern Europe and overwhelmed Rome." What was of particular concern to the Protestants was the number of Catholics coming to America. From 1880-1900, two and a half million Catholics arrived, further threatening the Protestant vision of America.
A focal point of the conflict between Protestants and Catholics was the education system. For their part Protestants distrusted the alleged subservience of Catholics to their priests, and many echoed Daniel Dorchester of the Evangelical Alliance who stated: "We believe the Roman Catholic Church is inimical to the best progress of society, and in direct antagonism to the historic religion of the nation--the religion of the Holy Scriptures." Catholics, on the other hand were concerned about the increasing Protestant tone of many public schools (public education was seen by most Protestants as a way to inculcate the next generation with the generic "Christian" values shared by all Protestants). When Catholics moved to build a parochial school system in response to this persistent generic "Christian" indoctrination, their efforts were viewed by many Protestants as a threat to the on-going effort to build a Christian commonwealth through a system of public education.
Sound familiar? Of course being about religion (overtly) rather than national origin (supposedly) there is absolutely NO parallel now is there? :banghead:
dasmi
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Crams fingers in his ears....
LAH LAH LAH LAH I CAN'T HEAR YOUR LOGIC!! AMERICA IS EVIL LAH LAH LAH LAH LAH
Aguila Blanca
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Mixed up history.
Europeans most certainly carried out genocide against indigenous populations. So did various indigenous tribes do their utmost to exterminate neighboring tribes.
But "Americans" (as in northern European, white, Germanic and Anglo-Saxon colonists) didn't carry out any genocide in South or Central America. That was all taken care of by the Spanish. Throughout most of Mexico and Central America, as well as much of South America, there has been so much intermingling that it's difficult to find any truly "indigenous" people any more, just as it's rare (but not impossible) to find a lot of honestly Native Americans in the U.S. (unless you go to the reservations, and even then it's "iffy." Most tribes consider you a tribal member if you are 1/8th "Indian." A friend told me some years ago that her tribe is so small they accept anyone who is 1/16th "Indian.")
Europeans most certainly carried out genocide against indigenous populations. So did various indigenous tribes do their utmost to exterminate neighboring tribes.
But "Americans" (as in northern European, white, Germanic and Anglo-Saxon colonists) didn't carry out any genocide in South or Central America. That was all taken care of by the Spanish. Throughout most of Mexico and Central America, as well as much of South America, there has been so much intermingling that it's difficult to find any truly "indigenous" people any more, just as it's rare (but not impossible) to find a lot of honestly Native Americans in the U.S. (unless you go to the reservations, and even then it's "iffy." Most tribes consider you a tribal member if you are 1/8th "Indian." A friend told me some years ago that her tribe is so small they accept anyone who is 1/16th "Indian.")
Master Blaster
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Bang your head against the wall harder much harder.
The Irish that came here did so Legally with visas and passports, they didnt sneak across the border in the dead of night. In fact many of them came here as indentured servants to pay their passage, and we went to Ireland to invite them here. At home I have in a frame, an agreement of indenture between an Irish lass named Mary and a New York man who was bringing her here as a house servant. But you are correct about the Xenophobia part anyway. You also have to remember that the continent was empty back then, and we needed people and laborers to fill the country and build the infrastructure, so thats why we greated them with open arms.
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doger5
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These idiots don't know even their own history, I grew up in the 1970's and heard of the 1968 Mexico City massacre. Protesters killed on order by the government. I guess it's a good thing they are in the United States of America, where we give you a freedom to protest.
And it disturbs me a lot to see the stars and bars below the Mexican flag.
Every one of those faces in the pictures have no clue what they are protesting.
This was on the Montebello High web site:
We have received many phone calls and E-mails about the reports that Montebello High School students put up a Mexican flag and took down the American flag this past Monday. MONTEBELLO HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS DID NOT TAKE PART. Students from the El Rancho HIGH School District and the Whittier Union High School District took part in this action. Our Administration, Staff, and students do not condone this action. We hope this clarifies the situation.
And it disturbs me a lot to see the stars and bars below the Mexican flag.
Every one of those faces in the pictures have no clue what they are protesting.
This was on the Montebello High web site:
We have received many phone calls and E-mails about the reports that Montebello High School students put up a Mexican flag and took down the American flag this past Monday. MONTEBELLO HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS DID NOT TAKE PART. Students from the El Rancho HIGH School District and the Whittier Union High School District took part in this action. Our Administration, Staff, and students do not condone this action. We hope this clarifies the situation.
engineer151515
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Fox's goal is to legalize Mexican workers in the United States with US citizenship?????? And he's been working on that for 5 years????
There is sooo much wrong with that statement that I can't even begin.
Unbelievable.
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