Marlin 1894, home defense?

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I've been wanting an 1894 for a while. I had a few hundred saved for an AR that went into car repairs.

I'm moving into my house this week and I really need something for the wife to use when I'm working on the road besides her snubbie.

She's already has a never 22 so another lever gun would be a good transition.

A 44 rifle would also get used more than a tacticool 870.

They make accessory rails for the 1894 however they aren't too cheap.
Buffalo bore also makes self defense loads that won't over penetrate.

Figure put a small scope on it and I'd have a close range deer rifle, range toy and home defense gun. However an 870 would just be a defense gun. No point in using it for hunting with two high end shotguns.
I'm pretty sure I can find a Marlin close by too...

Anyone else use one for defense? How about for deer? I mean it holds 10 rounds and a lever is pretty fast and the wife loves levers... Why not?

In God and Glock we Trust
 
Be aware that when firing .44mag in the 1894, the recoil is a bit stiff. Something to consider if your wife will be using it.

I have an 1894 that I purchased, used, at the Medina, OH Gun Show in, like, 1988 or 1989. I replaced the rear sight with a Williams 5D aperture sight.

I always used it within about 100 meters and, with white box ammo during the following decade, I found it to be very accurate.
 
You should choose ammunition very carefully. For home defense, I would pick a high-speed, lightweight bullet that's most likely to rapidly expand and not over-penetrate*. If you find likely candidates, you can test them in water-filled milk jugs. Preferred penetration would be no more than 3 jugs, but I absolutely wouldn't use a round that penetrated more than 4.

*If you handload, I would choose a bullet made to expand at .44 Special velocities- and then drive it faster.

John
 
The famous training center "Gunsite Academy" has classes on using a levergun for HD. You may think that means something or not but IMO a levergun is a good choice for HD, especially if that's what you own. I happen to like a short shotgun but wouldn't feel under-gunned with mt 1894C in .357 Magnum either. Nothing wrong with 10 rounds of .357 Magnum being available to you if things go bad...
 
Though I think there are better options for a long gun home defense weapon, I also think there are far more worse options, than an 1894. If the only firearm I had to defend my home was my 1894 .44 Magnum, I wouldn't feel under-gunned at all. But you can bet I would train very heavily with it.

Here is a list of the upgrades I have made to my standard blued 1894 with 20" ballard barrel:

• XS ghost ring sights - you get a longer sights radius, and much faster target acquisition than the stock sights. Just make sure you go through their test post instructions before you install the front sight. I didn't and ended up needing a taller front post. I ended up filing down the base of the rear, to get it as low as possible to compensate. I haven't sighted it in since, however, so I don't know if that did the trick.

• XS lever scout rail - Easy install, and gives you MUCH more optics mounting options. I have a Bushnell Trophy Red Dot mounted in low-profile rings ready to go on it once I have sighted in the irons. I think a red dot would be a great addition if it is going to be a HD gun.

• Wild West Guns trigger - This was a very worthwhile purchase. Not only does it eliminate the annoying Marlin trigger flop, it does lighten the trigger pull and has a crisp clean break. Pretty easy install as well.

• Wild West Guns 1-piece ejector - My stock ejector worked fine, but I like the idea of the beafier 1-piece WW unit.

• Wild West Guns aluminum magazine follower - The stock orange plastic one was easy to scratch, dent, and chip.

• Paracord-wrapped lever - This was the cheapest and best modification I think I've ever done to a firearm. My knuckles were taking a beating trying to work the lever quickly. This takes all the pain out of it.

• Re-shape the extractor spring and claw - as it came from the factory, case rims were not getting behind the extractor upon being lifted and pushed into the chamber. It was causing major feeding issues. After modification, case rims were getting behind the extractor claw every time. But this alone didn't fix the famous Marlin feeding problem with wide meplats or SWC bullets. For that, see below:

• Modify carrier - I had to grind down enough metal on the front upper side of the carrier, to allow rounds to sit just a little bit lower and feed straighter into the chamber. These 2 modifications (the extractor and the carrier) completely fixed all feeding issues 100%. My rifle now feeds all jacketed bullets, as well as HCLFN and SWC bullets equally, like butter. Here is a link to a thread I started on the subject, and my processes:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=701165

• Remove checkering and width from stocks - Not only did the front and rear stocks on my gun not match at all, the front was way to wide for me. I like a nice trim front stock like on my pre-64 Winchester 94. So I sanded and sanded until I was satisfied, then stained and oiled them. The gun looks and feels 10 times better.

After all these upgrades and modifications, I finally like my 1894. The QC issues at Marlin over the last several years have been heavily discussed here and other places. My gun was no different and took a lot of time and work to get it to run right and shoot straight.

I'll agree with others that the lightest hollowpoint load you can find would probably be best in a .44 Magnum rifle for HD. If it were me, I'd handload some 180-grain XTPs to speeds just fast enough to reliably expand, but not over penetrate. I'd also look into a rail section to add near or replace the barrel band - to mount a light. A mounted, single-level, rugged light on a HD long gun is a 100% necessity, IMO.

Finally, a wood stock lever gun doesn't get a second glance from the gun grabbers, the way an AR-15 or short barreled pump shotgun do. Plus, it can do double-duty during deer hunting season.
 
Maybe consider the same Marlin in .357? It will still work for short range deer hunting and will recoil less than the .44 when your wife needs to use it. She can even practice with .38's in it. Just a thought.
 
I'll agree with others that the lightest hollowpoint load you can find would probably be best in a .44 Magnum rifle for HD. If it were me, I'd handload some 180-grain XTPs to speeds just fast enough to reliably expand, but not over penetrate

Unfortunately, in the real world, typically slower expanding projectiles penetrate more than faster ones. This is an easy test, though- you can buy something made to expand at relatively low velocities, and work up several loads from very slow (800 fps?) to very fast (1600 fps?), and test their penetration, and see what penetrates least. Too easy. It is true that many more modern JHP designs are "controlled expansion", so it's possible for some of those bullets that faster will equal deeper. I know this is the case with Federal EFMJ, but you'd have to test other expanding bullets to verify performance yourself. Again, with most expanding rounds, higher velocity will equal more violent expansion and/or fragmentation, and less penetration. I have tested this myself, with short-barreled pistols compared to longer barreled ones in the same caliber.

As far as recoil goes, while it should be noticeable, 180 grain at 1600 fps from a 20" barrel is not a hot load (you could easily get 300 more fps or even faster if you wanted more power), and recoil should still be fairly mild.

John
 
The family's favorite rifle is a Marlin 1894c. My daughter refers to it as her gun. It was an excellent choice when I transitioned my daughters from .22LR to centerfire, using .38 spl to .357 mag then to stout hand loads. I've tried scope-ing it, but went back to iron sights and settled on the Skinner Sight. It gets used at 50 yards mostly and the hand loads group about a 1 1/2 in.. You would not give up any practical advantage if you found an 1894 in .357 over the .44 mag. Check buffalo bore.
 
For home defense, don't put a scope on the gun. Iron sights will be fast, and only rivaled in speed by a very good 1x red dot optic. My lever gun has ghost ring sights and that is how it will stay. It is quick and accurate out to 100 yards and there is nothing more that I could want from it.
 
A lever 357 is a fine choice, and entirely capable of taking deer at ranges you should be able to hit over stock irons. I absolutely would not feel undergunned either hunting or protecting my family with one.
 
Unfortunately, in the real world, typically slower expanding projectiles penetrate more than faster ones...It is true that many more modern JHP designs are "controlled expansion", so it's possible for some of those bullets that faster will equal deeper.

Very true, especially now that I think about XTPs and how they are very tough for a JHP, and are advertised as controlled expansion for hunting applications. Speer makes a 200-grain Gold Dot. That might be a better HD option than an XTP for violent expansion and less penetration.
 
Well, either might work, especially if they're hitting the target at nearly double the lowest expansion speed! It's just one of those cases that I'd hate to suggest a specific bullet until I've tested it myself. Hm...

Unfortunately, I don't have a .44 rifle! But I could eventually work up some loads with .44 Special bullets in my 629. When that happens, I'll be sure to share. :)

A soft cast .44 HP would not be controlled expansion. I'll have to go back and see what .44 cast bullets I got from blarby (great guy to deal with, btw).

John
 
Simply buy .44 Special rounds to begin with...1894's will cycle and fire .44spcl just fine, or at least the ones I have owned and fired do...

Cor-Bon makes a 165gr .44spcl defensive round (or did)...

No Scope for HD, and you really do not need one for short range deer hunting either...
 
I would not want to fire a .44 Magnum revolver or carbine in a house unless everyone on the floor had good ear protection.

IIRC, my 1894 would not feed Specials, but it has been a long time.
 
I would think the Gold Dot 200 grain .429- made to expand at .44 Special velocities- would be a dynamite defensive bullet loaded to about 1500 fps.

I wouldn't want to shoot any weapon inside without ear pro, especially a handgun. I have a pair of electronic muffs beside the bed.

John
 
I would not want to fire a .44 Magnum revolver or carbine in a house unless everyone on the floor had good ear protection.

In a perfect world, yes. But who goes to bed at night with ears on? I guess that mandates choosing a quieter round.
 
That's just silly. Any round shot inside not fired out a firearm equipped with a high-efficiciency sound suppressor will cause permanent hearing damage.
 
That's just silly. Any round shot inside not fired out a firearm equipped with a high-efficiciency sound suppressor will cause permanent hearing damage

Heck, even with a sound suppressor the supersonic crack will damage ears inside the confines of a home. Subsonic ammo, however, can alleviate this problem.
 
While not an 1894 enthusiast nor owner, some of my experience in loading .44, especially with cast bullets, might help.

1. There is a WHOLE WIDE WORLD of difference between a subsonic, and supersonic, 44 mag projectile in terms of noise. I figured this one out while slowly downloading 44's with 215g Projos and unique powder to get them subsonic for a friends supressed 44 bolt action rifle.

Try it sometime. a 44 mag with a 215gr Cast projectile and 5 grs of unique isn't too hard on the ears at all.

2. Low FPS bullets kill just fine. Look at the 45 ACP as an example. A 230g slug in the 800-850 range is all kinds of lethal from a 4 or 5 inch barrel..... dang near every single time. A 240g going just south of supersonic- say 900 FPS, is still perfectly deadly- and will deploy a pure lead HP 100% of the time. I know this last part from my own testing.

The hardest part I imagine for you is going to be finding factory ammo that meets those specs- in case you expect to need some high profile named expert defense witnesses at the trial of your justified shoot.

Factory 44 mag......in a rifle.........in your home ?

Buy your immediate neighbors trauma plates, and ask that they wear them at all times.
 
My HD carbine was a 1894C (.357 Mag) for several years, until I got a Mini-14. If yours is a .44, consider using .44 Specials. As an added bonus, you might be able to fit one more round in the magazine.
 
made to expand at .44 Special velocities- would be a dynamite defensive bullet loaded to about 1500 fps.
I wouldn't want to drive it that fast, that bullet's liable to disintagrate and under penatrate. I don't understand the concern with overpenatration, if there's something behind the BG that you're not willing to destroy don't shoot.
Besides that bullet works just fine at it's designed velocity. The 44mag factory Short Barrel load does a very good job across the FBI gel tests.
If it'd feed I'd just use the factory 44 special SBGD load. That's what's in my Rossi in dad's closet.
 
I'd go 44 over 357 for hunting reasons.

Though I know I'll have to test the ammo because the 44 is a heavy hitter. Though the 44 special is a great option.

What about a sling option for in the home? Can you add a saddle ring or something like ARs or shotguns have?

Definitely a huge XS sights fan! I'd just have a scope for deer because I hunt the praise and a little magnification goes a long way.

The 870 is definitely the better option, no doubt. But I'm not sure how much fun and use I'd get out of a solely home defense gun. I don't do any action shooting sports. I'll probably buy one but I'm torn.

Would a Limb Saver pad help the recoil?

Noise? Any centerfire will cause damage. Massad Ayoob talks about using electronic muffins and having them next to the bed...



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I've been wanting an 1894 for a while. I had a few hundred saved for an AR that went into car repairs.

I'm moving into my house this week and I really need something for the wife to use when I'm working on the road besides her snubbie.

She's already has a never 22 so another lever gun would be a good transition.

A 44 rifle would also get used more than a tacticool 870.

They make accessory rails for the 1894 however they aren't too cheap.
Buffalo bore also makes self defense loads that won't over penetrate.

Figure put a small scope on it and I'd have a close range deer rifle, range toy and home defense gun. However an 870 would just be a defense gun. No point in using it for hunting with two high end shotguns.
I'm pretty sure I can find a Marlin close by too...

Anyone else use one for defense? How about for deer? I mean it holds 10 rounds and a lever is pretty fast and the wife loves levers... Why not?

In God and Glock we Trust
Many millions of deer and other large game are not available so as to comment on the Model 94 effectiveness.
 
And for my short arms! Maybe a saw job would be in order lol!

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