Medical Procedures include a mental health wellness survey, red flag potential?

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  1. TRX

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    HIPAA privacy is primarily directed at family members. Any government agency has access, as do "partners" with any healthcare provider you deal with. Those "partners" are often drug companies and advertisers.

    Perzackitly. And your answers might be innocuous today, but in 10 or 20 years they might be something they can use against you.
     
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    I live in a fairly small town. There are four other people with the same name I have. Three of them are felons. This has caused a few incidents with the police, when they call in for a warrant check for a traffic stop, Dispatch ignores the driver's license number and alerts them on the name. It was moderately hilarious when I was in the Chief of Police's office getting some NFA paperwork signed off, and half a dozen cops barged through the door thinking they'd made an easy arrest.

    My credit is thoroughly mixed with that bunch of deadbeats; I went through a couple of cycles of trying to untangle it, dealing with Equifax and the rest. It took a lot of time, and it only lasted for a few months, probably until they swapped data with some little fish I'd never heard of, and then my credit report would be repopulated with delinquent payments for accounts I'd never had. There's no liability to them, and no legal recourse for me, the way the laws on that are structured.

    I was trying to get a copy of a medical report from a visit to a specialist last year. They had already dumped all my information to some third party in another state, which I suspect is legally questionable. I had to contact the third party, download a PDF, fill it out, and send it back to them via USPS to get my report. What came in the mail was a full set of records for some other guy with the same name, who lived in yet another state. Apparently they completely ignored "address" and "social security number" fields.
     
  3. lightman

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    I just returned home from my regular 6 month check-up. The only question ask that was not directly related to my physical health was did I ever get depressed.
     
  4. Ignition Override

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    My wife has a friend in the “Memphis classical music community “ whose late husband- an MD- had suffered for years from serious depression.

    He was on an “anti-depression” medication which was known to give some patients suicidal thoughts. Wasn’t this a serious contradiction that he should have changed ?

    Doctor B. was found in a remote area of Memphis where he had killed himself in his car.
     
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  5. 4v50 Gary

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    Careful. Anything you say goes into your record and the database is computerized (per 0-care), shared and hackable. Yay 0-care.
     
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  6. 4v50 Gary

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    I recently learned that Robin Williams was also on an anti-depressant and his doctor upped the dosage. Shortly after that he committed suicide.
     
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  7. jmorris

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    Probably means she has to compose a report on you if you don’t answer. If that wasn’t the case why would doing nothing create more work or make anything more difficult?

    I would say you figure right. Anything, can be used against you, anything. That’s why NY wants your social media accounts before you get a gun, more information to dig through to find a reason to deny you.

    It’s not much of a shocker at all to me at all. Look at what they are being told and taught. There are still normal ones but they are looked at as abnormal because they think of themselves just as a kid vs what names others want to call them. They probably also have parents that care about them.
     
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  8. 12Bravo20

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    I can't speak for private healthcare since I have not used any in quite some time. I can tell you that the VA doctors and nurses WILL put everything you say into your medical records.

    The VA prescribed Pregabalin (Lyrica) to me to help with the fibromyalgia nerve pain. And that stuff made me very irritable. I made the comment to the doctor that it made me feel like Oscar the Grouch. And that I said that is in fact in my VA medical records now.
     
  9. 270OKIE

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    Ha! I've tried the Chili Mac MRE before and they are actually really good lol. I wish I could find some more...
     
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  10. Zerodefect

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    Lie.

    When they ask: "Have you ever mixed long pork into a chilli mac MRE and enjoyed it."

    Say no.

    When they ask about the 1/4 acre of corn hobby farm, just say you like fresh corn.
     
  11. Hasaf

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    We are already there. Long before COVID my job, as a teacher, requires that I allow the school district access to medical information. Honestly, I don't remember agreeing to it, but several years ago I was diagnosed with strep, a minor and not too uncommon problem for teachers.

    I was surprised to find that the doctor was required to report the diagnosis to the school district via the county health department. I can understand reporting anonymized data to the CDC (and I do realize the anonymized data isn't really anonymous). However, I was a bit surprised the find that such identified information can also be reported.

    Moving forward to the COVID era, a teacher went in for a COVID test on her own and returned to work where she was promptly fired. As was explained by the principal. If she had a reason for a test then the district felt that, at least, she believed that she had been exposed. The policy was, and is, that if a person believed they had been exposed, they were to immediately self-quarantine.

    . . . my pondering was, how did they know she went in for a test (really I know how, the doctor was required to report it to the county health department, who are required to report it to the school district). . .

    You can be sure I never went in for a "I'm just curious" test. I won't even risk being seen purchasing a home test.. . . and this is one of the risks of making medical information public, people won't take the chance of even being tested.
     
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    This is precisely what is happening. The government is inserting its tentacles into the physician/patient relationship and that information may be used against you now or in 10 or 20 years. This may affect insurability, HMO eligibility, access to firearms and a wealth of other aspects of your life. DNA is a medically useful data point which can result in incarceration of relatives, disqualification from studies or insurance coverage, and other consequences unintended and currently unknown. Without robust safeguards, we dare not share information with our provider that could improve our lives in quality or quantity.
     
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  13. Shawn Dodson

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    Me: No. My wife and I hate guns.

    I have absolutely no problem lying about guns. It's nobody's business but my own.
     
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  14. Demi-human
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    In response to Hasaf’s post…

    Fired for being the kind of “safe” the Nannies wish to impose on everyone?!

    Shocked! Shocked I am!:what:

    (Just kidding. Not surprised.)


    As an aside, why do we believe that it’s always depressed humans that are dangerous?
    In everything I’ve ever seen, it’s the maniacal ones with the motivation to hurt others. And they are unlikely to admit to weakness while on a high hill…


    I wonder if we would tolerate an oil change clerk asking every single dang time we get an oil change if we’d like to replace our transmission?
    Maybe, but not from some Pit Monkey.o_O

    Likewise, a vascular surgeon, however wonderful, is not a psychologist.

    The bottom line is, because no human truly has authority over their own livelihood, we can no longer trust anyone.

    *We pledge alliance with the logo, and the corporation for which it stands. And to the career it guarantees, so long as we do as it commands, at any day, whichever way, the political winds may blow…*
    :(
     
  15. Old Dog

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    So I may or may not have gotten into a fist fight with another servicemember on base back in the late '80s and my CO may or may not have offered me the option to attend an "anger management" class in lieu of an Article 15/NJP proceeding (even though, in my mind, I was totally justified in popping the guy, who was a real dick). Guess what I found when perusing my military medical records (they give you the paper files upon retirement) -- which I know were digitized and went in my VA and PCM's medical records?

    So if you are a vet and you cop to being depressed, feeling anxiety or being irritable or angry to your medical provider -- and once you accept the meds that you'll surely be offered -- there will come a time when this could be used against you and your continuing right to keep and bear arms. The way things are going, even something as seemingly innocuous as confessing that you think you might drink too much and too often, or are grouchy with family members, will be that "red flag."

    But, like @Jamie B says, if it stops just one young nutjob from taking the AR15 his parents bought him up to a rooftop or to school or to the mall...You gotta start somewhere, right? Disarming the old guys and the vets will be a good start.
     
  16. Hartkopf

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    I’ve found that doctors who do not accept insurance are where you go to actually get cured or work towards getting better.
     
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  17. DukeConnor

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    I was joking. Guess i should have have included a smiley face.
     
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    My doctor called me last week to ask when we were going to Sporting Clays. When my son went to the VA to have his hearing evaluated, he was asked if his dad kept any firearms in the home. When he said none of their business, he got poor service and a denial. His hearing was impacted by an IED in Afghan Land. On appeal, they did a proper exam, the difference was obvious.

    Some of the questions asked at the VA are done to get a handle on suicide. What veteran doesn’t know someone that took their own life. I know three, my son twelve. If I am asked by a medical person about firearms, I just say no.
     
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  19. Jamie B

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    Your point is valid
    Those doing the shooting will not be asked the questions
     
  20. 270OKIE

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    Damn, that sucks. Tell you son thanks for protecting freedom across the globe for me. Dad has hearing loss from being a Field Arty officer and his VA records show each time after a deployment his hearing was more and more garbage, and he actually is in on the class action lawsuit against 3M and is waiting for the test cases to go through to see if he will even get a settlement. I assume your son is also involved in it as well? However, it is vital that he has at least one of those 3M Combat Plugs in his possession as with out physical evidence they won't even try to get your case heard. Dad got lucky and found ONE and the pouch for them so he sent them a photo along with his dd214 stuff and all that jazz. Oh and tell your son that any of his army(or whatever branch he was in) buddies are more than welcome to join THR and have a place to talk, we can't let our vets deal with this stuff alone...
     
  21. CoalTrain49

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    I'm going with this. If the USSC can't keep their business from being leaked to the public your medical records aren't secure. LE can search your records for an investigation. States with enhanced background checks have access to your records. Here we have to sign a waver to purchase or transfer a firearm so our medical records can be accessed.

    Access to your health records will become routine with more ERPO's and enhanced BC's. All of those will be common in 5 years. It won't reduce the number of mass shootings however, which will be the pretext for access to your records.

    I'm not paranoid about health care forms. Hospitals are private corporations that incur costs from people being shot. They approach this as preventative medicine just like when they tell you that you need a vaccination. I don't have a problem with it because they aren't a law enforcement agency and the state already knows about most of the firearms I own anyway. I have a CPL and I fill out a 4473 like form for the state when I transfer or purchase.
     
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    I was at my PCP for my semi-annual checkup the other day. The medical assistant who took my BP asked similar questions. They have for some time now. I figure it is some program to ferret out crazies.
     
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  23. HJ857

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    I don't know if these questionnaires predated Obamacare, but I know that my first experience with one was during the height of Obamacare. My doctor was not happy about it and he filled out most of it without my input, other than the question about firearms and he said, "that's none of the their damn business" and checked the "no" box.

    My feeling was that this had nothing to do with health care and more about collecting new data points.
     
  24. Bugster

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    I once had these questions asked when Obummer was in the WH. I didn't answer then and wouldn't now. I just said no reply.
     
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