Mexican Zetas extending violence into U.S.
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Tejon,
Oh, I dunno, saying things along the lines of “Zetas? Odd name for a bogey manâ€â€¦â€I have images of Anglos with blonde hair drinking beer…†certainly implies that for anyone to believe that a gang of ex Mexican military special forces types called the Los Zetas to even exist, much less be an active, and very violent gang would require the suspension of ones common sense. That’s speaking disparagingly of something in my book. And it makes you look sorta silly. But hey, its your image.
Mira, I’m not going to do your homework for you. I will say this though; the FBI, DEA, ATF, BP, US Customs, U.S. Marshals, etc, are all fairly familiar with the Zetas. I myself have some personal experience with them.
El Tejon
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ahenry, cool, since you have experience with them, please direct me to the federal prosecutions of these Zetas by those agencies you listed. 
All the reports are just that, reports. I can read about Bigfoot, UFOs and dirty bombs in Boston, it does not mean they exist.
Art, no doubt the federal government of Mexico is even more corrupt than Chicago. In that cesspool, myths are often spun that COULD be true used to play on existing fears. I often see this with "gangs" in my city. "Gangs" did this, "gangs" are doing that, when the truth is that there are no gangs only wannabes searching for an identity bigger than themselves and police brass looking to justify budgets.
The "Zetas" smell exactly like this. However, if I can put my foot on a body, I will be happy.
All the reports are just that, reports. I can read about Bigfoot, UFOs and dirty bombs in Boston, it does not mean they exist.
Art, no doubt the federal government of Mexico is even more corrupt than Chicago. In that cesspool, myths are often spun that COULD be true used to play on existing fears. I often see this with "gangs" in my city. "Gangs" did this, "gangs" are doing that, when the truth is that there are no gangs only wannabes searching for an identity bigger than themselves and police brass looking to justify budgets.
The "Zetas" smell exactly like this. However, if I can put my foot on a body, I will be happy.
El Tejon
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Hmmm, maybe it could be wannabes claiming to be "Zetas". We have lots of doughy, soft white boys running around here claiming to be BGD or the like.
Mythology works and it may be a lot of people are running around committing mopery in the name of "Zetas" for similar reasons.
Mythology works and it may be a lot of people are running around committing mopery in the name of "Zetas" for similar reasons.
Glock Glockler
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Tejon,
Why is it that a quick goole search leads me to links from the Mexican govt and Mexican newspapers that reference a paramilitary drug organization known as "Los Zetas"? What do the Mexican govt and newspapers mention this obvious fabrication that was invented only to scare the Anglos here, it obviously works against their interests?
Why is it that a quick goole search leads me to links from the Mexican govt and Mexican newspapers that reference a paramilitary drug organization known as "Los Zetas"? What do the Mexican govt and newspapers mention this obvious fabrication that was invented only to scare the Anglos here, it obviously works against their interests?
El Tejon
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Glock, yeah that's what I said earlier, less of a reason for the Mexican newspapers to lie than the U.S. papers. Still, this thing smells of snake oil and hype--and I know both as that's often the only defense available.
"This is Chewbacca. He lives on Endor."
"This is Chewbacca. He lives on Endor."
I think I understand El Tejon’s point. The Zetas may exist, and/or the gangs or individuals may exist and represent a real threat (note Preacherman’s comments), and they are unquestionably being investigated.
But as an interested attorney, what Tejon needs to know is, “have any of these people actually been prosecuted *as Zetas members* and convicted?†And if so, “what are the details concerning the case?†In particular, in what court and under what case number? Given that he can find out what he needs to know.
Investigation is one thing. Actual convictions are another.
But as an interested attorney, what Tejon needs to know is, “have any of these people actually been prosecuted *as Zetas members* and convicted?†And if so, “what are the details concerning the case?†In particular, in what court and under what case number? Given that he can find out what he needs to know.
Investigation is one thing. Actual convictions are another.
davec
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Another smashing success story from the war on (some) drugs.
El Tejon
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Old, as you know, lots of knuckleheads tell the po-po lots of things. These knuckleheads have a lot of years on the line and often tell the po-po what they want to hear.
Recently on THR we went through a dirty bomb scare in Boston. The assertion was inane on its face, however it fit in well with people's concerns.
Same thing here. Rumor, hearsay, tall tales, and bear threads can be reported by anyone. I want to step on a body.
Recently on THR we went through a dirty bomb scare in Boston. The assertion was inane on its face, however it fit in well with people's concerns.
Same thing here. Rumor, hearsay, tall tales, and bear threads can be reported by anyone. I want to step on a body.
richyoung
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...perhaps the chupacabrae have grown opposable thumbs and hired themselves out to the narcos?
El Tejon
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Riley, most assuredly I cannot as I have just a little experience in that regard. 
However, that does not mean that it is committed by squared away, militree-trained narcoterrorists.
However, that does not mean that it is committed by squared away, militree-trained narcoterrorists.junyor
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Here is an article that appeared in Saturday's Dallas Morning news about the Zetas. It has a few specifics, but of most interest to me is the comment by Gil Cerda, a spokesman for the Dallas Police Department narcotics division, said he had personally not heard of the group and could not comment.
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Mexican Zetas extending violence into Dallas
01:46 PM CST on Sunday, February 20, 2005
By ALFREDO CORCHADO / The Dallas Morning News
MEXICO CITY – A team of rogue Mexican commandos blamed for dozens of killings along the U.S.-Mexico border has carried out at least three drug-related slayings in Dallas, a sign that the group is extending its deadly operations into U.S. cities, two American law enforcement officials say.
The men are known as the Zetas, former members of the Mexican army who defected to Mexico's so-called Gulf drug cartel in the late 1990s, other officials say.
"These guys run like a military," said Arturo A. Fontes, an FBI special investigator for border violence based in Laredo, in South Texas. "They have their hands in everything and they have eyes and ears everywhere. I've seen how they work, and they're good at what they do. They're an impressive bunch of ruthless criminals."
KRT
Mexican military convoys patrol the northern border of Mexico. Thousands have been dispatched to combat drug cartels and Zetas. Dallas and federal officials said that since late 2003 eight to 10 members of the Zetas have been operating in North Texas, maintaining a "shadowy existence" and sometimes hiring Texas criminal gangs, including the Mexican Mafia and Texas Syndicate, for contract killings. The Texas Syndicate is a prison gang that authorities blame for several murders statewide.
The Zetas' activities in North Texas were described in interviews with two U.S. federal law enforcement agents, two former Drug Enforcement Administration officials, a former Dallas undercover narcotics officer and two undercover informants.
"We're aware of the Zetas' threat to U.S. cities, and we consider it a growing threat," said Johnny Santana, a criminal investigator for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Office of the Inspector General. "We're conducting investigations into several cases statewide to establish evidence. We still don't have those links yet, but the telltale signs are there, and they point to the Zetas."
The Zetas' presence in Dallas represents a sharp departure from standard practice for Mexican cartels, which traditionally have kept a low profile on U.S. soil and have sought to avoid confrontations with U.S. law enforcement.
The Zetas, who are accused off carrying out killings and acting as drug couriers for the cartel, are regarded by U.S. law enforcement officials as expert assassins who are especially worrisome because of their elite military training and penchant for using AR-15 and AK-47 assault rifles.
"The Zetas are bold, ruthless and won't think twice about pulling the trigger on a cop or anyone else who gets in their way," said the former Dallas narcotics officer, who asked not to be identified.
"And they like to take care of business themselves or, when forced to, hire their own assassin."
Gil Cerda, a spokesman for the Dallas Police Department narcotics division, said he had personally not heard of the group and could not comment.
Mexican authorities have downplayed the threat posed by the Zetas, saying that a major government crackdown has left the group leaderless and on the run.
Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos, the country's deputy attorney general for organized crime, suggested that many of the crimes attributed to the group may have been committed by outsiders emulating the group's violent tactics. "There are many Zetas wannabes," he said.
Still, Fontes of the FBI and other U.S. law enforcement officials said the former commandos are both a potent threat and are bolder and more ambitious than their predecessors.
They are extending their reach – and violence – beyond the Nuevo Laredo-to-Matamoros border area into Dallas, Houston and San Antonio, where they blend into burgeoning Mexican immigrant communities, state and federal officials said.
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The group may have ventured as far as Nashville, Tenn., and Atlanta, Ga., the officials said.
"These guys are anything but wannabes," said Fontes. "They're the real thing, and they're a threat to law enforcement officers on both sides of the border."
Dallas and federal law enforcement officials have linked murders and drug violence in Dallas during the past 18 months to cocaine and marijuana trafficking in Laredo and Nuevo Laredo, a base of operations for the Zetas. Dallas and federal investigators have blamed at least three Dallas killings on the Zetas, and some officials said that more than a dozen violent incidents can be attributed to the group.
Federal and Dallas authorities have blamed the following incidents on the Zetas:
At 1:20 a.m. on Dec. 5, a gunman stepped out of a red sports car with a semi-automatic weapon and opened fire on three suspected drug traffickers as they played pool in the open garage of a home in the 5100 block of Mimi Court in Oak Cliff. Christian Alejandro Meza, 26, alias Juan Antonio Ortega, a parolee from Wichita, Kan., who was wanted on weapons charges, died of multiple wounds to the abdomen. Two other men were severely wounded and are being held on drug charges.
Law enforcement officials said the men were attacked because they allegedly worked for a rival drug lord, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, who escaped from the maximum-security Puente Grande prison in Jalisco state in January 2001, hidden in a laundry truck.
Guzman is reputed to be a leader of the Juarez cartel, a rival of the Zetas' employer, the Gulf cartel, and is wanted in the United States, said Fontes, the FBI agent.
Dallas police seized 45 kilos of cocaine – said to have been smuggled from Monterrey, Mexico – with a street value of $2.5 million and about $300,000 in cash from the Oak Cliff home and one next to it.
"The hit was a message to Chapo Guzman, and the killer is believed to have been a Zetas member," said the former Dallas narcotics officer. "The gunman was very meticulous, didn't shoot a lot because he didn't have to."
The case is under investigation, and the gunman remains at large.
On Sept. 28, police found the bodies of Mathew Frank Geisler and Brandon Gallegos, both 19 and from Laredo, in a burning 1996 Chevrolet Tahoe in a field near the corner of Morrell Avenue and Sargent Road, in the Cadillac Heights area of Oak Cliff. Both men had been shot, and the case probably involved drugs, according to police accounts.
A federal investigator said that "without a doubt" both incidents were carried out by the Zetas.
"We're seeing an alarming number of incidents involving the same type of violence that's become all too common in Mexico, right here in Dallas," said the former Dallas narcotics officer. "We're seeing execution-style murders, burned bodies and outright mayhem. It's like the battles being waged in Mexico for turf have reached Dallas."
The Zetas are in North Texas because the area has become an important hub of drug activity, law enforcement officials say. An estimated $10 million in drug transactions, including money laundering, takes place in the area daily, according to the federal and local officials.
Transportation links such as Interstate 35, Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport and dozens of smaller airports in the region have contributed to the growth in drug activity, the officials said.
"We're victims of our geography," the former Dallas narcotics officer said, "and an insatiable appetite for dope and coke."
Concern over the Zetas' activities in Dallas comes at a time of increased violence along the border and a crackdown on drug cartels by Mexico that President Vicente Fox has dubbed "the mother of all battles." In the first seven weeks of this year, about 135 people have been killed in drug violence in Mexico, mostly in northern states, including Tamaulipas and Chihuahua – which border Texas –and Sonora and Sinaloa.
In Nuevo Laredo, in Tamaulipas state, about 300 people have been reported missing in recent months, including 27 Americans, some of whom are believed to have been victims of the Zetas-sponsored drug violence. The Americans included two abducted this week and released Thursday after a ransom was paid, a U.S. law enforcement official said.
Last month, the U.S. government warned Americans about increasing violence and crime in Mexican border cities.
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Mexican Zetas extending violence into Dallas
01:46 PM CST on Sunday, February 20, 2005
By ALFREDO CORCHADO / The Dallas Morning News
MEXICO CITY – A team of rogue Mexican commandos blamed for dozens of killings along the U.S.-Mexico border has carried out at least three drug-related slayings in Dallas, a sign that the group is extending its deadly operations into U.S. cities, two American law enforcement officials say.
The men are known as the Zetas, former members of the Mexican army who defected to Mexico's so-called Gulf drug cartel in the late 1990s, other officials say.
"These guys run like a military," said Arturo A. Fontes, an FBI special investigator for border violence based in Laredo, in South Texas. "They have their hands in everything and they have eyes and ears everywhere. I've seen how they work, and they're good at what they do. They're an impressive bunch of ruthless criminals."
KRT
Mexican military convoys patrol the northern border of Mexico. Thousands have been dispatched to combat drug cartels and Zetas. Dallas and federal officials said that since late 2003 eight to 10 members of the Zetas have been operating in North Texas, maintaining a "shadowy existence" and sometimes hiring Texas criminal gangs, including the Mexican Mafia and Texas Syndicate, for contract killings. The Texas Syndicate is a prison gang that authorities blame for several murders statewide.
The Zetas' activities in North Texas were described in interviews with two U.S. federal law enforcement agents, two former Drug Enforcement Administration officials, a former Dallas undercover narcotics officer and two undercover informants.
"We're aware of the Zetas' threat to U.S. cities, and we consider it a growing threat," said Johnny Santana, a criminal investigator for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Office of the Inspector General. "We're conducting investigations into several cases statewide to establish evidence. We still don't have those links yet, but the telltale signs are there, and they point to the Zetas."
The Zetas' presence in Dallas represents a sharp departure from standard practice for Mexican cartels, which traditionally have kept a low profile on U.S. soil and have sought to avoid confrontations with U.S. law enforcement.
The Zetas, who are accused off carrying out killings and acting as drug couriers for the cartel, are regarded by U.S. law enforcement officials as expert assassins who are especially worrisome because of their elite military training and penchant for using AR-15 and AK-47 assault rifles.
"The Zetas are bold, ruthless and won't think twice about pulling the trigger on a cop or anyone else who gets in their way," said the former Dallas narcotics officer, who asked not to be identified.
"And they like to take care of business themselves or, when forced to, hire their own assassin."
Gil Cerda, a spokesman for the Dallas Police Department narcotics division, said he had personally not heard of the group and could not comment.
Mexican authorities have downplayed the threat posed by the Zetas, saying that a major government crackdown has left the group leaderless and on the run.
Jose Luis Santiago Vasconcelos, the country's deputy attorney general for organized crime, suggested that many of the crimes attributed to the group may have been committed by outsiders emulating the group's violent tactics. "There are many Zetas wannabes," he said.
Still, Fontes of the FBI and other U.S. law enforcement officials said the former commandos are both a potent threat and are bolder and more ambitious than their predecessors.
They are extending their reach – and violence – beyond the Nuevo Laredo-to-Matamoros border area into Dallas, Houston and San Antonio, where they blend into burgeoning Mexican immigrant communities, state and federal officials said.
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Commandos are cartel's muscle
The group may have ventured as far as Nashville, Tenn., and Atlanta, Ga., the officials said.
"These guys are anything but wannabes," said Fontes. "They're the real thing, and they're a threat to law enforcement officers on both sides of the border."
Dallas and federal law enforcement officials have linked murders and drug violence in Dallas during the past 18 months to cocaine and marijuana trafficking in Laredo and Nuevo Laredo, a base of operations for the Zetas. Dallas and federal investigators have blamed at least three Dallas killings on the Zetas, and some officials said that more than a dozen violent incidents can be attributed to the group.
Federal and Dallas authorities have blamed the following incidents on the Zetas:
At 1:20 a.m. on Dec. 5, a gunman stepped out of a red sports car with a semi-automatic weapon and opened fire on three suspected drug traffickers as they played pool in the open garage of a home in the 5100 block of Mimi Court in Oak Cliff. Christian Alejandro Meza, 26, alias Juan Antonio Ortega, a parolee from Wichita, Kan., who was wanted on weapons charges, died of multiple wounds to the abdomen. Two other men were severely wounded and are being held on drug charges.
Law enforcement officials said the men were attacked because they allegedly worked for a rival drug lord, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, who escaped from the maximum-security Puente Grande prison in Jalisco state in January 2001, hidden in a laundry truck.
Guzman is reputed to be a leader of the Juarez cartel, a rival of the Zetas' employer, the Gulf cartel, and is wanted in the United States, said Fontes, the FBI agent.
Dallas police seized 45 kilos of cocaine – said to have been smuggled from Monterrey, Mexico – with a street value of $2.5 million and about $300,000 in cash from the Oak Cliff home and one next to it.
"The hit was a message to Chapo Guzman, and the killer is believed to have been a Zetas member," said the former Dallas narcotics officer. "The gunman was very meticulous, didn't shoot a lot because he didn't have to."
The case is under investigation, and the gunman remains at large.
On Sept. 28, police found the bodies of Mathew Frank Geisler and Brandon Gallegos, both 19 and from Laredo, in a burning 1996 Chevrolet Tahoe in a field near the corner of Morrell Avenue and Sargent Road, in the Cadillac Heights area of Oak Cliff. Both men had been shot, and the case probably involved drugs, according to police accounts.
A federal investigator said that "without a doubt" both incidents were carried out by the Zetas.
"We're seeing an alarming number of incidents involving the same type of violence that's become all too common in Mexico, right here in Dallas," said the former Dallas narcotics officer. "We're seeing execution-style murders, burned bodies and outright mayhem. It's like the battles being waged in Mexico for turf have reached Dallas."
The Zetas are in North Texas because the area has become an important hub of drug activity, law enforcement officials say. An estimated $10 million in drug transactions, including money laundering, takes place in the area daily, according to the federal and local officials.
Transportation links such as Interstate 35, Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport and dozens of smaller airports in the region have contributed to the growth in drug activity, the officials said.
"We're victims of our geography," the former Dallas narcotics officer said, "and an insatiable appetite for dope and coke."
Concern over the Zetas' activities in Dallas comes at a time of increased violence along the border and a crackdown on drug cartels by Mexico that President Vicente Fox has dubbed "the mother of all battles." In the first seven weeks of this year, about 135 people have been killed in drug violence in Mexico, mostly in northern states, including Tamaulipas and Chihuahua – which border Texas –and Sonora and Sinaloa.
In Nuevo Laredo, in Tamaulipas state, about 300 people have been reported missing in recent months, including 27 Americans, some of whom are believed to have been victims of the Zetas-sponsored drug violence. The Americans included two abducted this week and released Thursday after a ransom was paid, a U.S. law enforcement official said.
Last month, the U.S. government warned Americans about increasing violence and crime in Mexican border cities.
Preacherman
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El T, sorry about the delay in replying - I hadn't revisited this thread in a couple of days.
The Zetas I know about in our prison population are not there because of conviction as Zetas per se, but have been convicted of drug- and/or gang-related offences. They are usually regarded as members of the gang with which they were working at the time of their offence (e.g. Texas Syndicate, Mexicanemi, etc.), and are listed as such in their security profile. AFAIK, we have no profile specifically for the "Zetas", as they are not a gang in their own right.
Nevertheless, the Zeta affiliation of the individuals in question is widely known on the compound, and even other gang members will tell me "He isn't one of us - he's a Zeta", or words to that effect. Typically, they are high-status inmates as far as other prisoners are concerned. They often act as bodyguards to senior gang members, or members of drug cartels. I assume that their "pay" for this job is stashed away for them outside prison, as Federal rules prevent them spending more than $300 per month for phone calls, commissary items, etc. They seem to be pretty effective at their job, as I've never heard of anyone "protected" by Zetas getting "hit" in prison. I imagine it would be a terminally stupid thing to do...
The Zetas I know about in our prison population are not there because of conviction as Zetas per se, but have been convicted of drug- and/or gang-related offences. They are usually regarded as members of the gang with which they were working at the time of their offence (e.g. Texas Syndicate, Mexicanemi, etc.), and are listed as such in their security profile. AFAIK, we have no profile specifically for the "Zetas", as they are not a gang in their own right.
Nevertheless, the Zeta affiliation of the individuals in question is widely known on the compound, and even other gang members will tell me "He isn't one of us - he's a Zeta", or words to that effect. Typically, they are high-status inmates as far as other prisoners are concerned. They often act as bodyguards to senior gang members, or members of drug cartels. I assume that their "pay" for this job is stashed away for them outside prison, as Federal rules prevent them spending more than $300 per month for phone calls, commissary items, etc. They seem to be pretty effective at their job, as I've never heard of anyone "protected" by Zetas getting "hit" in prison. I imagine it would be a terminally stupid thing to do...
El Tejon
Member
Hmmm, not a convicted Zeta. Darn it, I so wanted to step on a body.
So, this profile, is it something BoP does on its own or does it come from the federal probation officer's interview with the offender?
I'm thinking that if it is "self-reporting" that "Zeta" affiliation may be for show. Sort like Black Gangster Disciplinehood here.
El Tejon: "O.K., now the presentence report says you were born and raised in the suburbs of Battle Ground, the Hawk's Ridge addition. Your father is a chemical engineer at Eli Lilly and your mother is a professor at Purdue?"
BGD Wannabe [in sidways hat and gold jewlery]: "Yo, I is from da str337z."
So, this profile, is it something BoP does on its own or does it come from the federal probation officer's interview with the offender?
I'm thinking that if it is "self-reporting" that "Zeta" affiliation may be for show. Sort like Black Gangster Disciplinehood here.
El Tejon: "O.K., now the presentence report says you were born and raised in the suburbs of Battle Ground, the Hawk's Ridge addition. Your father is a chemical engineer at Eli Lilly and your mother is a professor at Purdue?"
BGD Wannabe [in sidways hat and gold jewlery]: "Yo, I is from da str337z."
spartacus2002
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thanks, you owe me a new keyboard
Art Eatman
Moderator In Memoriam
El Tejon, I don't have any problem believing the various news stories about these "Zetas" as reported in the Laredo, Brownsville and San Antonio newspapers from time to time. I hadn't heard about them working this side of the border, I gotta admit, but that has little or nothing to do with anything. But they sure ain't UFOs.
Whether it be the incredible numbers of murders in Juarez, or the Mexican Army guys shooting at Gringos in Arizona or California or this Zeta bunch around Nuevo Laredo and maybe Matamoros, I gay-ron-dang-tee you that the border is getting more and more violent.
Other "deals" besides Zetas: Downriver from Del Rio, around the Eagle Pass area, ranchers with riverfront lands were offered about double what their land was worth. Some sold; others did not want to. These latter were told that they could be paid in "oro, o plombo". Gold, or lead.
Other ranchers were told to stay indoors at night; to ignore the sound of stray trucks in their pastures, coming from the river.
Many of the smugglers have the latest in night-vision equipment, the latest in commo gear, and M16s...
But you stay with your UFOs, El Tejon...
Art
Whether it be the incredible numbers of murders in Juarez, or the Mexican Army guys shooting at Gringos in Arizona or California or this Zeta bunch around Nuevo Laredo and maybe Matamoros, I gay-ron-dang-tee you that the border is getting more and more violent.
Other "deals" besides Zetas: Downriver from Del Rio, around the Eagle Pass area, ranchers with riverfront lands were offered about double what their land was worth. Some sold; others did not want to. These latter were told that they could be paid in "oro, o plombo". Gold, or lead.
Other ranchers were told to stay indoors at night; to ignore the sound of stray trucks in their pastures, coming from the river.
Many of the smugglers have the latest in night-vision equipment, the latest in commo gear, and M16s...
But you stay with your UFOs, El Tejon...
Art
El Tejon
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Art, the border may be as dangerous as it was during Harlon Carter's days, but just because it is dangerous, does not the UFOs, even if they do exist (I'm still waiting to step on a body here), are causing it. As well, just because it is dangerous does not mean UFOs exist.
Habaes corpus ad bearthreadum.
As well, just because it is dangerous does not mean UFOs exist.Habaes corpus ad bearthreadum.
No. There are several reasons but the main one is I just don’t give a crap about trying to “prove†to you that the Los Zetas are what they are. I will happily stipulate that the vast majority of the Zetas “work†is not done on this side of the border, perhaps to the point that there aren’t any prosecutions solely for gang membership. Of course, I am not aware of prosecutions (or even arrests) solely for membership in the Mexican Mafia, Texas Syndicate, Los Hermanos Pistoleros, Mara Slavatrucha, etc, although surely you don’t doubt their existence too? Then again, maybe you do…
El Tejon
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ahenry, not really interested in anyone proving who they are, just that they exist at this point.
Scary bogey men manipulating others behind the scenes? Sounds like fertile ground for criminal prosecution for this "work", at least to me.
Scary bogey men manipulating others behind the scenes?
Sounds like fertile ground for criminal prosecution for this "work", at least to me. Felonious Monk
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ahenry--
Disparaging arrogant comments are El Tejon's stock in trade. He's the World's Foremost Authority. I suggest for your blood pressure's sake, you do as I did-- activate the ignore feature.
Art Eatman
Moderator In Memoriam
El Tejon, do you have any vacation time coming? Toddle on down to Nuevo Laredo. The climate's nice, this time of year. Lotsa good food and booze, as well as interesting shopping.
You might just find all the proof yore lil ol' heart can stand. Just ask any of the locals about Zetas. "¿Quien estan estas Zetas?"
, Art
You might just find all the proof yore lil ol' heart can stand. Just ask any of the locals about Zetas. "¿Quien estan estas Zetas?"
, ArtJoe Demko
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I'm with El Tejon on this. There is assuredly crime and violence along the border. I used to live in Laredo and it is a crazy, often unpleasant, place. Even so, the fact that there were murders doesn't prove that Zetas exist. What assorted mopes said in an effort to extract their respective t*ts from the legal wringer is only slightly better evidence than a cover story from The Weekly World News.
Art Eatman
Moderator In Memoriam
Joe, the pattern of violence isn't the same as it used to be. The use of military weaponry is increasing in the Nuevo Laredo area. All sorts of changes have been occurring in recent years, from Tijuana to Matamoros. That with which you were acquainted has little or no relationship to what's now occurring.
"This is not your father's Oldsmobile," and all bets are off.
Art
"This is not your father's Oldsmobile," and all bets are off.
Art
Joe Demko
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I'd hate to think that the day of the overweight Mexican cop in an untidy uniform and packing a nickle-plate 1911 is completely gone.
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