Armed standoff on Mexican Border

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I don't think that all Americans are buying drugs in fact I believe it is still a minority that use illegal drugs so there is no irony here. These people are (a) entering our country illegally; (b)taking up arms against sworn law officers; (c) engaged in other illegal activities; and (d) should be shot where they stand and left lie where they fall. Put some hurt on the bastards and they will either escalate to their detriment, or go under cover, or stop.
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Well, if you include marijuana, the product in that truck...it's not a very small minority. And that minority is spending billions to get the drugs.

"These people" are drug runners. They already regularly have gun battles with each other and are quite "undercover" in their trade. I'm not sure what you think would change if we authorized US law enforcement to go into mexico and start shooting besides the fact that more law enforcement officers would be killed in the fighting. The drugs will keep coming (like any product does when so many people want it and are willing to pay for it), and people will keep posting articles about "invasion forces."
 
shootinstudent said:
Well, if you include marijuana, the product in that truck...it's not a very small minority. And that minority is spending billions to get the drugs.

"These people" are drug runners. They already regularly have gun battles with each other and are quite "undercover" in their trade. I'm not sure what you think would change if we authorized US law enforcement to go into mexico and start shooting besides the fact that more law enforcement officers would be killed in the fighting. The drugs will keep coming (like any product does when so many people want it and are willing to pay for it), and people will keep posting articles about "invasion forces."
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They are in U.S. territory illegally engaged in illegal activity so shoot them where they stand. If the Border Patrol needs more men and firepower give it to them or call up the militia. That's my vote.
 
The Real Hawkeye said:
When a State is invaded, short of a Congressional Declaration of War, it is the State on whom the duty falls to defend their boarders with their own militia forces, made up of its own armed citizenry. They can request that Congress declare war but, until that time, it is the State (the wellspring of Federal Authority), and only the State which is authorized to repel the invaders with its militia.
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Not so. Artical IV Section 4 of the Const: Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican
Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on
Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature
cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
 
Jim Diver said:
Not so. Artical IV Section 4 of the Const: Section 4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican
Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on
Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature
cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
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Yes, I agree. They have a duty to defend our borders against invasion. The question is how. The Constitution lays it out. "Congress has the power to provides for the common defense." That regards foreign invasion, and requires a declaration by Congress that a state of war exists with the invading nation. Short of that, it is the responsibility of the State government to muster the State militia to defend the borders until a state of war is declared and Congress has sent regular troops to assist in repelling the invaders.

Now, as to "domestic violence," the ordinary duty to deal with this lies with the States, as it is a police power. It is only when the States have attempted and failed to do so, i.e., to restore a properly functioning republican form of government, that the Federal Government is empowered to take action. And, yes, as to domestic violence, if the States fail to quell it, the Congress can suspend habius corpus and send troops to restore order, and if the Congress is unable to meet (can you imagine any scenario when that would be the case?), then, as a last ditch fail safe, the authority would fall to the president. This has nothing to do with foreign invasion, however, a national military response to which requires a Congressional declaration that a state of war exists.
 
To answer Werewolf's question:

Yes, my neighbors and I have called and written to our bureaucrats.

Please remember, Sir, that one of our two worthless senators is none other than the illustrious John McCain. His office sends us form letters which always dance around the issue and say nothing. The only thing we can depend upon McCain to do is to sell us out to special interests.
Klye and Kolbe never respond at all.
I don't understand the correspondence we get from Ed Pastor or Raul Grihalva because my Spanish is kind of rusty.

We have nothing but elected turncoats here. Their attitudes are that we constituents don't know what is good for us so we need our elected officials to make decisions for us even though it goes against the will of 90% of the people. Nafta, Martin Luther King day and our gas tax are shining examples of treachery and deceit.
These self serving Adam Henries are only concerned with politcal gain. I'm thoroughly disgusted.

The only reason I continue bothering to vote is so I can keep the promise I made to Ed Pastor years ago which was to vote against him in every election.

The media here is not interested in covering any of this unless they can somehow point an accusing finger at the citizens groups like the Minutemen who have taken it upon themselves to do the Border Patrol's job for them or to demonize the ranchers who have the audacity to try to protect their own property.

For example, how often have you heard that 90% of our wildfires in southern Arizona are caused by wetbacks?
How often have you read about fences and water lines being cut and livestock killed?
How many photos have you seen of the litter strewn about everywhere?
How many of you heard about the elderly couple assaulted and kidnapped at Parker Canyon Lake? How many of you knew that the wetbacks who did it were captured then released without punishment?
How many times have you heard about the shootings which happen here on a regular basis?

In contrast, there's not a dry eye in the newsroom as they report about the poor wetbacks who didn't make the trip across the desert or the ones who were ripped off by the coyotes who brought them across the line illegally.

The TV news team will show footage of bleeding hearts setting up water stations in the desert to further encourage "immigration" while there is not a whisper about the Douglas rancher whose ranch was taken from him and awarded to two wetbacks after they claimed he "scared" them when he caught them trespassing on his property.

You won't see any newspapers that tell it like it is with the exception of Chris Simcox Tombstone Tunbleweed which unfortunately doesn't have a very large circulation.

Americans are steadily being pushed to the limits of their endurance and tolerance. Sooner or later it is going to end in bloodshed.

Feel left out because you don't live here along the border? Don't worry. . . .this drama will soon be playing in a theater near you.
 
Bottom Gun said:
Feel left out because you don't live here along the border? Don't worry. . . .this drama will soon be playing in a theater near you.
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It is happening here as well; small businessmen and women in the 161 corrider are closing shop and moving because of the latino gang activity and you never, never read word one in the Dispatch about latino gang activity. MS13 is alive and well in Columbus and all the local pols want to do is wring their hands about the plight of the poor immigrants and the exploited illegals.
 
[QUOTEFeel left out because you don't live here along the border? Don't worry. . . .this drama will soon be playing in a theater near you.][/QUOTE]

Excellent post, I have seen the same in my section of the border especially
bad in the past 8 years, but as you said it continues to spread north.
 
Everytime I read a thread like this, I think of "RED DAWN". Maybe I'm just getting to old, but it seems to me that the invation in the movie come across
the mex border. Maybe I'm just to concerned as what kind of freedom my
grandsons will have as they grow up. I have read it many times on THR
that we must look out after ourselves because our PTB can't or don't care to.
I pray to my higher power I'm wrong, but the things I read here and on other
forums make me wonder :confused: :banghead:

May your higher power, as you receive him/her, look after us all

Jim
 
it's been known for a while that Mexican higher-ups in the military sell out their men to drug lords......so we should of made an international incident of it and closed the border. Well the crossing gate areas anyways....we still can seem to get them to realize what a fence means. I feel that we should of shown Vicente Fox what his military is up to and how the U.S. forces are better trained and more willing to fight. Besides it's all desert ain't it? We seem to be doing rather well in the Sandbox known as Iraq, so we're well versed in that kind of warfare.
I think we should of taken the fight to them.....
 
I feel that we should of shown Vicente Fox what his military is up to and how the U.S. forces are better trained and more willing to fight. Besides it's all desert ain't it? We seem to be doing rather well in the Sandbox known as Iraq, so we're well versed in that kind of warfare.
I think we should of taken the fight to them.....
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Yes--but the question increasingly is, Who is WE?
 
At the end of the day, its all about the money. The wealthy individuals at the top (who also happen to control the government and media) make too much money off the dirt cheap labor of millions of illegal mexicans to want to do anything to stop it. As you can see, they are doing all they can to get MORE illegals over the border. And, they don't care in the least how many armed confrontations occur on the border. They have NO INTENTION of stopping the illegal influx.

Why this comes as a surprise to anyone, I have no idea.
 
We would be the U.S., as in the DEA, INS, and the Border Patrol. I say "we" because without the great citizens that make up this country should stand up to Mexico.
 
I use the term "wetback" or "mojado" because I refuse to dignify these criminals by referring to them as "immigrants", "guest workers" or whatever other politically correct term the liberal bleeding hearts want to coin for them. Even the term "illegal" is too honorable for the way we feel about them here.

My grandparents were immigrants. They came here legally. They were proud, honorable people.

The way these unwanted wetbacks come here is a slap in the face to every legal immigrant in this country.
I wonder how many of these wets even bother to become US citizens?

If my calling it like it is offends anyone, please note that it's just as easy to cross the border going south. Have a nice trip.
 
The ONLY reason this has not already sparked into a full-blown border war with international complications is that we aren't shooting back. The implications of that are huge--and chilling.

When I wondered who "we" are, I meant, of course, that the people are one thing and our government, apparently, quite another. The people want this insanity stopped; the government and its running dogs in commerce don't and they feel quite comfortable in ignoring the will of the people.

So...what's next?
 
"Wetback" is a racial slur just like "******", "spic", or anything else. It certainly *doesn't* belong on "the high road". And, I'm not going south. Have a good day.
 
It is happening here as well; small businessmen and women in the 161 corrider are closing shop and moving because of the latino gang activity and you never, never read word one in the Dispatch about latino gang activity. MS13 is alive and well in Columbus and all the local pols want to do is wring their hands about the plight of the poor immigrants and the exploited illegals.
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We need to keep a close eye on MS13 and similar gangs.

When I wondered who "we" are, I meant, of course, that the people are one thing and our government, apparently, quite another. The people want this insanity stopped; the government and its running dogs in commerce don't and they feel quite comfortable in ignoring the will of the people.

So...what's next?
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I know what our founding fathers would do.
 
ny32182 said:
"Wetback" is a racial slur just like "******", "spic", or anything else. It certainly *doesn't* belong on "the high road". And, I'm not going south. Have a good day.
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Actually, "wetback" is a fairly descriptive term describing Mexicans who swim the Rio Grande in order to avoid the Border Patrol and illegaly enter our country. It has a derogatory conotation to it because it pisses us off. It has nothing to do with race, as far as I'm concerned. If it were French speaking Canadians who refused to obey our laws or speak our language doing the same thing, the same term would apply.
Don't swim the river in order to sneak into my house and steal my goods and I won't call you a wetback.
Do what's required in order to enter legally, support yourself when you get here and respect my culure and customs and I'll call you an American and likely a Friend.
Biker
 
You can't look at any given mexican and tell if he swam across a river or not.

It *is* a derogatory slur, regardless of how it was originally coined, and using it makes you sound like an uneducated racist to 99% of the population, and will detract from public support of the cause of stopping the border jumping rather than help it.
 
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