MI law?

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You must also have a CPL to carry in any place with a liquor license, like package stores, stop-n-robs and stores like wally world that sell beer & wine.
 
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You must also have a CPL to carry in any place with a liquor license, like package stores, stop-n-robs and stores like wally world that sell beer & wine.
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Source on this? Because I have not read anything in Michigan law that reads this way, and I have OC'd in just about every one of the places you just mentioned and got not as much as a second look. It's legal to open carry in a bar, pub or tavern, but not Wal-Mart?

Please check your facts and cite a source before posting.
 
USAVet: I'm pretty certain you may ONLY open carry in a bar or tavern, ONLY if you have a CPL. There are two separate codes that interplay here..
One may not conceal in those places listed as prohibited, but with a cpl, one may open carry. I can look up MCL's if you need me too. Also check out
MSP Legal Update page.
 
Lizard, you are correct. You can OC with a CPL in otherwise prohibited areas. But the gas station, liquor store, grocery store, etc are not prohibited, and one can OC without a permit in any one of those locations.
 
I've always thought that was funny how the two laws played out in tandem. A CPL holder is barred from carrying concealed in pistol free zones. But due to open carry laws and being licensed by the state, you can open carry in most "pistol free zones"...if you have a CPL.

I'm pretty sure none of that was intended when they wrote the law, but due to the way they worded it, that's the way it works out.

Of course it would be a hell of a lot simpler if they just let adults carry how and wherever they want and just prosecuted people for actually committing crimes.
 
Montana has somewhat similar...you cannot CC into a restaraunt that serves, or bar, but you can OC. If you need a CHL, or not. depends on where the restaraunt or bar is (town wise).
 
You must also have a CPL to carry in any place with a liquor license, like package stores, stop-n-robs and stores like wally world that sell beer & wine.
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No, you may not carry concealed in a "bar or tavern which derives most of its sales from alcohol sold for consumption on the premise".

You may carry openly, but must be a CPL holder. Walmart, or your corner liquor store do not sell any booze for consumption on the premises, let alone most of their sales.
 
Without a CPL, you cannot carry in or on the premises of any place licensed by the liquor control board.
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Any place that sells beer and wine is licensed by the liquor control board, and without a CPL is designated a gun-free zone. With a CPL, you may carry concealed or open, but must only carry open in bars and taverns.

Citation: Michigan 28-425o:

28.425o Premises on which carrying concealed weapon or portable device that uses electro-muscular disruption technology prohibited; “premises” defined; exceptions to subsections (1) and (2); violation; penalties.

(d) A bar or tavern licensed under the Michigan liquor control code of 1998, 1998 PA 58, MCL 436.1101 to 436.2303, where the primary source of income of the business is the sale of alcoholic liquor by the glass and consumed on the premises. This subdivision does not apply to an owner or employee of the business.
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As to the OP's question, here is a guideline written by the Michigan State Police to familiarize officers with open carry in Michigan:

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/msp/MSP_Legal_Update_No._86_2_336854_7.pdf
 
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See the link posted in post 9. There are two laws in play here, and both apply. You go into Wally World OCing without a CPL, and some cop is feeling froggy, and you'll be making a trip to jail.

I've been OCing (with CPL) for about 4 years+ and have made it my business to know the law backwards and forwards. You should visit www.migunowners.org and post your questions on the legal beagle forum, where you can get the real skinny from real lawyers who specialize in gun law...
 
I see where I was in error. My post has been edited to remove incorrect information, and thank you Clipper for the correction.
 
No, it would be a very legal arrest, if the Wally World store were licensed to sell beer or wine. As Clipper pointed out, the statute that Zane linked to in post 9 says:

750.234d Possession of firearm on certain premises prohibited; applicability; violation as misdemeanor; penalty.

Sec. 234d.

(1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person shall not possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following:

(a) A depository financial institution or a subsidiary or affiliate of a depository financial institution.

(b) A church or other house of religious worship.

(c) A court.

(d) A theatre.

(e) A sports arena.

(f) A day care center.

(g) A hospital.

(h) An establishment licensed under the Michigan liquor control act, Act No. 8 of the Public Acts of the Extra Session of 1933, being sections 436.1 to 436.58 of the Michigan Compiled Laws.

(2) This section does not apply to any of the following:

(a) A person who owns, or is employed by or contracted by, an entity described in subsection (1) if the possession of that firearm is to provide security services for that entity.

(b) A peace officer.

(c) A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon.

(d) A person who possesses a firearm on the premises of an entity described in subsection (1) if that possession is with the permission of the owner or an agent of the owner of that entity.

(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both.
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In Michigan, Open Carry is prohibited in any store that sells beer, wine, or liquor unless the person has a CPL. Then the person may carry open or concealed, except concealed carry is not allowed in bars or taverns that earn most of their income from the sale of liquor by the glass for consumption on the premesis.
 
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When you are rifle deer hunting in MI during deer season Nov 15-30
Do you find that some bars will not allow any kind of carry ?????

Also---can you drink in the bar when you open carry ?????
 
You can't drink while carrying in Michigan although I don't have any specific sources available to back that up.
 
Concealed carry is prohibited with a blood alcohol level of .02 or greater. Open carry is a bit more fuzzy. The statute:

750.237 Liquor or controlled substance; possession or use of firearm by person under influence; violation; penalty; chemical analysis.

Sec. 237. (1) An individual shall not carry, have in possession or under control, or use in any manner or discharge a firearm under any of the following circumstances:

(a) The individual is under the influence of alcoholic liquor, a controlled substance, or a combination of alcoholic liquor and a controlled substance.

(b) The individual has an alcohol content of 0.08 or more grams per 100 milliliters of blood, per 210 liters of breath, or per 67 milliliters of urine.

(c) Because of the consumption of alcoholic liquor, a controlled substance, or a combination of alcoholic liquor and a controlled substance, the individual's ability to use a firearm is visibly impaired.
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So possession is prohibited with a BAC of .08, if you are "under the influence," or if you are "visibly impaired."

Can anyone weigh in on the definition of "under the influence" or "visibly impaired" as it applies to possession of a firearm?

Edit: If you have a CPL, you may have your firearm locked in the trunk or in a locked container in your vehicle, separate from the ammunition, with a BAC above .02.
 
I called a couple bars up north where I used to hunt---both closed.
I want to find out if any weapons are allowed in the bar during hunting season
rifle deer
 
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