Midway discontinuing CCI 500 and 550 primers

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Hockey7711 said:
Although I set up the notifications for 1k spp, I never received a notice that they were in stock. Only saw it here.
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Me too, on dozens of items that I saw were in stock on THR.

But the junk folder may be the problem. What I thought before today was why send a mass, group email out when the product will sell out in minutes anyways.

Tomorrow I will look at my junk emails and see if MidwayUSA is in there. But I’m on a few other lists, from other vendors, nada.
 
I have in stock notice requests with Midway for a few thing, primers included in 2 sizes for CCI, Winchester and Federal. I got no emails and there’s nothing in the junk mail.
I guess that means I gotta just check in.

$70 for 1000 primers is a heck of a lot better than the $200 the opportunists here are asking.
 
My notices have jumped to over 12 on discontinued stock.

doesn’t look like MidwayUSA will be selling cases of primers in the foreseeable future.

But no notices on 209s.....yet.
 
IMAhobbyist said:
Were you incognito on the second order? If not that there's a head scratcher for me as I ordered 1000 yesterday and afterwards got to wondering if I could have ordered more, when I checked their site it stated I'd have to wait 14 days before ordering anymore.

I've had multiple brands and quantities of primers with the "notify me" activated at Midway and it has yet to do so, I just happened on these by chance.
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1K SPP on the first order, 1K SRP on the second order. The 1K limit per week is for the same primer type.
 
I got the same emails for Winchester LPP and LRP, 5k quality

Yea looks like the big boxes will no longer be available....but boy you should get a load of what the 1000 packs are gonna go for when they finally come back....$74.99
That's more than double what they were a mere 6 months ago

Times certainly have changed in short order
 
Airborne Falcon said:
From Midway?

I am having a hard time believing that given I have alerts on every quantity imaginable from them among 100s of other products that they overcharge-for. Which, given the $1000s I have spent with them over the decades I would assume that I at least have a fair shot of being notified ... but I'll screen shot this now and raise hell with them tomorrow when I ask them why I was not notified about their 1000 per quantity offer.
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Hard time believing ? Is that the same thing as calling him a liar ? Call Midway if you are mad ,
 
Airborne Falcon said:
From Midway?

I am having a hard time believing that given I have alerts on every quantity imaginable from them among 100s of other products that they overcharge-for. Which, given the $1000s I have spent with them over the decades I would assume that I at least have a fair shot of being notified ... but I'll screen shot this now and raise hell with them tomorrow when I ask them why I was not notified about their 1000 per quantity offer.
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I have the alerts set too and never got one. Guessing it's an issue on midways end.
I saw the post in the sticky here that they were available and ordered 1k.
 
v8stang289 said:
I have the alerts set too and never got one. Guessing it's an issue on midways end.

I saw the post in the sticky here that they were available and ordered 1k.
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Midway is dropping the ball if that's the case (pardon the pun) ... but I am going to call them when they open at 9:30 AM Central Time. I get why they are no longer selling cases and I am sure it has more to-do with serving more customers rather than a pricing issue ... service five customers per case and prevent the gougers and miscreants from buying up all the stock ... that's just good business in times like these. But they need to stay true and reliable to their long time loyal customers and they need to fix the glitch in their notifications apparently. Otherwise they're simply teasing us with the promise of sending notifications ... unless they have some sort of pecking order of some kind. I dunno but I am going-to ask.

FWIW I scored a case ct 5000 of Wolf Magnum small rifle primers from Widener's and they serve very well as a substitute for CCI 41s. If anything they may be just a little better than the CCI 41s based upon my results out of a couple of my rifles ... and they are milspec with hard cups.
 
Dale Alan said:
Hard time believing ? Is that the same thing as calling him a liar ? Call Midway if you are mad ,
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No, it's not the same thing and I apologize if I offended you. Your indignation is misplaced and unnecessary.

BTW, dogs are mad ... people are angry. I am neither. I am sorely disappointed in Midway for giving false hope where their notifications are concerned. It caused me, apparently, to miss an opportunity ... because I trusted them. They have no problems sending-out notifications when they discontinue a product or quantity offering ... yet, apparently, their notification feature is failing when it comes to actual product they might restock.

There is a trust issue now.
 
Airborne Falcon said:
No, it's not the same thing and I apologize if I offended you. Your indignation is misplaced and unnecessary.

BTW, dogs are mad ... people are angry. I am neither. I am sorely disappointed in Midway for giving false hope where their notifications are concerned. It caused me, apparently, to miss an opportunity ... because I trusted them. They have no problems sending-out notifications when they discontinue a product or quantity offering ... yet, apparently, their notification feature is failing when it comes to actual product they might restock.

There is a trust issue now.
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No business can send out an email to everyone on a given list at the same moment unless the numbers are small. Typically it is handled in batches of X number of customers at a time to prevent the server from overloading. When demand is over the top not everyone will get their email at the same time or even the same day. Sometimes there can be enough volume to actually crash the notification system. If stock runs out before everyone is notified the system may also stop sending notifications to the remainder of the people on the list.

My wife runs a shop with a website and I am her administrator (I have run other sites in the past also).
 
Pat Riot said:
I have in stock notice requests with Midway for a few thing, primers included in 2 sizes for CCI, Winchester and Federal. I got no emails and there’s nothing in the junk mail.
I guess that means I gotta just check in.

$70 for 1000 primers is a heck of a lot better than the $200 the opportunists here are asking.
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This past Jan there were bozos selling SPP for 360-400 on GB and that is without shipping, tax or hazmat,
Sad thing is people were buying them.
Now those same "opportunists-cough-dbags" can't get a single bid on SPP auctions that start at $200.
Some bids that start lower will crest that mark but zero bids on anything that starts that high.
That is a good trend.
 
Havok7416 said:
No business can send out an email to everyone on a given list at the same moment unless the numbers are small. Typically it is handled in batches of X number of customers at a time to prevent the server from overloading. When demand is over the top not everyone will get their email at the same time or even the same day. Sometimes there can be enough volume to actually crash the notification system. If stock runs out before everyone is notified the system may also stop sending notifications to the remainder of the people on the list.

My wife runs a shop with a website and I am her administrator (I have run other sites in the past also).
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I get that, I do. That's the business I've been-in for the past almost 30 years in IT and Web Development until I recently sold the remainder of my sites to an outfit up in Canada ... all the gun sites at least, and one of the survival sites. Before that it was two large sports content networks ... so I get how notifications work. But I also know that they are supposed-to work on a dated time-stamped queue where those that have been waiting for notifications the longest get the first disbursement of notifications. That is why I always advise people to not keep hitting the notification button because it moves you to the back of the line and resets your place in the order.

Now, with that stated, I believe Midway has a feature in their script whereas it tells you that you are already on the list if you try to rejoin the list ... or I may be thinking of RCBS. Anyway, one of them keeps your place in the queue, the other does not.

And large SMTP notification servers are not sensitive to mass notification overloads these days ... those days are long gone with modern technology that allows a few servers to send out billions of spam-type emails at a time.

With that stated it does make me wonder if Google is somehow involved in this and they could be sending notifications from some firearms related sites off into spam hell or something. I dunno ... but in four minutes I'll be on the phone with Midway asking them for an explanation. I've been doing big business with them for over three decades, even met Larry and Brenda at Shot Show one time ... fine people. This is something I'd almost be willing to bet they are not even aware-of.
 
Havok7416 said:
No business can send out an email to everyone on a given list at the same moment unless the numbers are small. Typically it is handled in batches of X number of customers at a time to prevent the server from overloading. When demand is over the top not everyone will get their email at the same time or even the same day. Sometimes there can be enough volume to actually crash the notification system. If stock runs out before everyone is notified the system may also stop sending notifications to the remainder of the people on the list.

My wife runs a shop with a website and I am her administrator (I have run other sites in the past also).
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I believe Midway purges e-mail notifications periodically.
Whether it's to shrink the Database or in a prep move for a price adjustment.
I got a 6 hole .451 cast shipping notification after the package arrived and never even got an email telling me they were in stock, which I had requested as well.
Pretty sure they don't weigh how good a customer you are and prioritize their notification based on that, rather it's probably sheer bedlam with respect to how the industry is right now.
BTW, somebody had asked why someone would pay the hazmat for 1k of primers.
Probably for the same reason someone would pay it for 1# can of powder.
 
Airborne Falcon said:
I get that, I do. That's the business I've been-in for the past almost 30 years in IT and Web Development until I recently sold the remainder of my sites to an outfit up in Canada ... all the gun sites at least, and one of the survival sites. Before that it was two large sports content networks ... so I get how notifications work. But I also know that they are supposed-to work on a dated time-stamped queue where those that have been waiting for notifications the longest get the first disbursement of notifications. That is why I always advise people to not keep hitting the notification button because it moves you to the back of the line and resets your place in the order.

Now, with that stated, I believe Midway has a feature in their script whereas it tells you that you are already on the list if you try to rejoin the list ... or I may be thinking of RCBS. Anyway, one of them keeps your place in the queue, the other does not.

And large SMTP notification servers are not sensitive to mass notification overloads these days ... those days are long gone with modern technology that allows a few servers to send out billions of spam-type emails at a time.

With that stated it does make me wonder if Google is somehow involved in this and they could be sending notifications from some firearms related sites off into spam hell or something. I dunno ... but in four minutes I'll be on the phone with Midway asking them for an explanation. I've been doing big business with them for over three decades, even met Larry and Brenda at Shot Show one time ... fine people. This is something I'd almost be willing to bet they are not even aware-of.
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At least you "get it". Many don't from what I see. It's entirely possible their notification system is not functioning properly.

I don't think Midway allows you to sign up to be notified in top of your original notification since it appears in the notification section of your account. I'll go try it myself when I have some time. I don't think their system knows or cares how much money you have spent with them.

For what it's worth I have been receiving in stock notifications from everybody and their brother, to include Midway (but not for primers since I didn't ask to be notified for those).
 
I'll stop shooting before I pay $70 or more per 1K for $20/30 per 1K primers, besides, If I am the millionth one on the text/email alert list there is no way I see anything in stock by the time it gets to me.

Meh. Still waiting things out. :)
 
So I just hung up the phone with a very nice, very polite, young lady named Caroline ... she has a great phone presence, she really does.

Anyways, apparently they do cut off notifications in stages once the product is sold-out ... and apparently, or so she says, sometimes when things are restocked and people are notified via posts on message boards and subsequently they sell-out in minutes ... apparently they never get around to sending out notifications which is something that is triggered manually AFTER it is placed in-stock status by their warehouse.

So, apparently, the notification feature is basically worthless when it comes to scarce items because links are posted on so many message boards so quickly and hard-to-find items sell-out so fast they do not even bother to hit the notifications alert.

She also did say that they do work on a queue system where those that have been waiting the longest are notified first ... but not until AFTER the product has been posted as in-stock on their website ... which seems counter-intuitive to me but, whatever.

When it comes to powders and primers evidently we are wasting our time on high demand items these days ... their system is not to be trusted in that regard. She implicitly stated it is "first come first served" when it comes to their stock availability these days and those that happen to hit the website at just the right time are the lucky ones.

With that now understood I guess I'll be hitting their site more often and not relying on notifications. Man I really needed restocking on the CCI 41s. I need N133 and N140 as well. Those are my three biggies right now.

Oh well ... live and learn and God Bless THR.
 
Yes, the sky is falling and only foil hats will be available from here on out. Or you just just use other vendors.

I guess Midway got smart and instead of letting customers backorder items, so they can string them along for months, then cancel the back order so they can then raise the price, they just tell them that they can’t get them, ever. Might loose fewer customers that way but that is for you to decide.

Who knows, maybe they are counting on people that only shop them to think they performed a miracle and brought primers back from the dead, to justify their higher prices over places like Powder Valley...
 
Airborne Falcon said:
So I just hung up the phone with a very nice, very polite, young lady named Caroline ... she has a great phone presence, she really does.
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Thank you for the information. Very much appreciated. You saved me a phone call. That was on my to-do list this morning. :thumbup::cool:

I do know that when this silliness started I put myself in the “Notify Me” list for primers. A few months later when I figured I had better give them a “reminder” thinking I may have been overlooked a message popped up that I was already on the notification list, or something along those lines.
 
jmorris said:
Yes, the sky is falling and only foil hats will be available from here on out. Or you just just use other vendors.

I guess Midway got smart and instead of letting customers backorder items, so they can string them along for months, then cancel the back order so they can then raise the price, they just tell them that they can’t get them, ever. Might loose fewer customers that way but that is for you to decide.

Who knows, maybe they are counting on people that only shop them to think they performed a miracle and brought primers back from the dead, to justify their higher prices over places like Powder Valley...
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They definitely are 10% higher than Powder Valley on everything ... and Powder Valley does not do email notifications that I am aware-of. Which, again, is another reason to have just lost some faith in Midway and how they are choosing to-do business these days.

Yet Midway is still the largest buyer in the country and they are able to exert some degree of pressure upon their vendors simply because of their purchase power ... which means they appear to be getting it faster, more frequently and more of it than Powder Valley or Midsouth or Widener's or any of the others. Brownell's may be the exception but their prices often exceed or exactly match Midway's ... which raises another question altogether.

I'm not hurting - I entered this shortage well-prepared because I am a habitual prepper and purchaser of components to the point of being anal about it. My cabinets are stocked to the point of almost gluttony on some levels. I decided to "never run-out again" basically when almost this same thing happened back when Obama was voted-in and everything went nuts. But still, Midway is the 300 pound gorilla in the room and the vendors know it. Midway pays them on time and demands a lot of stock in return. And evidently, recently, they had CCI 41s in stock ... I'm happy for those that scored, big time happy.

I have no issues with Midway as-far-as how they choose to do business ... but they have misled some of us regarding how we are notified of their in-stock items and items they restock. And THAT is disappointing. They seem to be playing games with us on some level when it comes to their notification feature. They had no problems emailing en masse to let us know they were discontinuing several 5000 ct Vista Outdoor products, (Federal, CCI and now they own Remington Ammo too, right?) ... EVERYONE received that email, those emails, at the same time like bang bang bang. EVERYONE. So I am not swallowing their claim that they can only send-out X number of notifications at certain times yada yada yada ... and sometimes not at all yada yada yada and it all depends upon when you subscribed to the list yada yada yada ... it's a game they are playing right now, it is completely unreliable and misleading and it will come back to bite them on their butts once this shortage is over. And I am not just seeing this here on THR, but people are talking about it everywhere. Midway has caused some to pause and question their practices on many levels and a lot of people will not forget it down the road ... and that's a shame really, that Midway is doing this both with the price hikes and their failure to live-up-to their promises to notify.

Anyways, it is what it is. I am over it with Midway personally ... perhaps I took this all too personally but I trusted them. Oh well.
 
bigpower491 said:
............. you should get a load of what the 1000 packs are gonna go for when they finally come back....$74.99
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Add ~$12 per order for hazmat, plus tax, plus shipping. They do occasionally have free shipping, but if we're talking about hot items like primers, if you wait for free shipping, you'll miss out altogether. Heck, if you wait till after breakfast, you'll miss out. We're actually competing with bots watching the availability of these items 24/7. Then it becomes computer talking to computer at a speed of 186,000 miles per second. I can't type that fast.

I've actually spotted primers on Midway when they were just posted and before I can input my info, they're already sold out. Plus, those customers have multiple accounts with different credit cards to get around the limits.

Powder valley caught a bunch of people doing that and cancelled ~$30,000 of orders at considerable expense to themselves. Now PV has a "captcha" feature.

It's a whole new ball game.
 
@SunnySlopes

Yea for sure.
When people see 175 bux worth of primer going for 2K on the broker, they sure want in on that
I could been one of those nut jobs to, I reckon, but chose not to get on that band wagon. I sleep good at night being straight up. Glad I kept it all, cause it's looking like it'll be awhile before I'll get any more
I've got, at present rate of consumption, enough for about 2yrs of shooting all handguns......the rest of my life supply for rifles and 454 Casull
 
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