Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Pirate surprise!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SSN Vet, Mar 24, 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. SSN Vet

    SSN Vet Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    5,775
    Location:
    The Dark Side of the Moon
    Well imagine that.... a merchant ship with a small security detachement handilly repels borders with small arms. I can't believe it :rolleyes:
    ----------------------
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8584604.stm

    'Pirate' dies as ship's guards repel attack off Somalia

    A suspected pirate has been shot dead as private guards repelled an attack on a cargo ship off Somalia, in what may have been the first such incident.

    The EU naval force (Navfor) says the suspect was found dead by a team from an EU warship which was responding to a distress call from the cargo ship.

    Guards aboard the Panamanian-flagged MV Almezaan had returned fire after the ship was attacked, it added.

    Six other suspected pirates were detained by a Spanish Navfor ship.


    The ESPS Navarra found one pirate mother ship and two skiffs. The mother ship was destroyed after the suspects were taken into custody, Navfor said.

    Navfor spokesman Cmdr John Harbour told the BBC News website that he believed there was strong evidence to prosecute the six suspects detained.

    "All the evidence suggests that there was a fire-fight," he said.

    Bullet-holes were found in the skiffs in which they were found, he added.

    The owners of the cargo ship, which was en route to Mogadishu, were contacted and asked to comply with any subsequent prosecution, Cmdr Harbour said.

    The waters off Somalia are among the most dangerous in the world for shipping, despite patrols from Navfor and other foreign naval forces.

    'Small-calibre gunshots'

    The Navarra received a distress signal early on Tuesday from a merchant ship off the Somali coast and sped to the area, Navfor said in a statement.


    Pirates had launched an attack on the MV Almezaan. This was successfully repelled by members of an "armed private vessel protection detachment" on board the ship, who returned fire.

    A second attack was also repelled and the pirates fled the area, Navfor said.

    A helicopter from the Navarra sighted the suspected pirates' boats and ordered them to stop, firing warning shots when they refused to do so.

    When a team from the Navarra boarded the vessels, they found three suspected pirates in one skiff and three in the second, along with the body of a fourth man.


    The body was transferred to the Navarra and an investigation indicated that the individual had died from small-calibre gunshot wounds, Navfor said.

    A number of suspected Somali pirates have been killed by international forces during rescue operations but this is thought to be the first time private security guards have killed a pirate in defence of a ship.

    Pirates are known to use fire-arms and rocket-propelled grenades in their attacks on ships but rarely harm the crews of vessels they capture.

    Several organisations, including the International Maritime Bureau (IMB), have expressed concern that the use of armed security contractors could encourage pirates to be more violent when taking a ship.

    Somalia has not had a functioning government for nearly two decades and analysts believe that attacks on shipping will continue as long as there is no central government capable of taking on the pirate gangs.
     
  2. 19-3Ben

    19-3Ben Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2006
    Messages:
    5,146
    Location:
    CT
    Good!!! Self-defense is not limited to joe civilian getting mugged in the supermarket parking lot. People should have the right to defend themselves from unprovoked violent attacks at sea as well.

    Thank you for posting!

    Ok so if you were to be hired as a private security officer on board a ship like this, which guns would you bring?
    I'd probably want an AK of some kind. I'd get one with chrome lined bbl, and I'd duracoat it. I'd also want a Mossberg/Remington mariner type 12ga.
     
  3. wishin

    wishin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2009
    Messages:
    2,430
    Location:
    Georgia
    It appears that the UAR is hiring private security contractors on their ships. They gave a good accounting of themselves.
     
  4. meytind

    meytind Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2009
    Messages:
    330
    Location:
    New York
    Exactly what they say happens when civilians carry guns, yet here it looks like the pirates are dead/captured, and the cargo is intact. The fact that self defense is looked down upon by a large part of the world is the reason we're in our current predicament.
     
  5. bikerdoc

    bikerdoc Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2008
    Messages:
    16,599
    Location:
    Southern Virginia
    Think Blackwater contractors
     
  6. doubleh

    doubleh Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2007
    Messages:
    1,001
    Location:
    NM-south of I-40
    Deleted
     
  7. Slamfire

    Slamfire Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2006
    Messages:
    7,579
    Location:
    Alabama
    Heard the liberal press complaining that killing pirates will just make said pirates nastier.
     
  8. DMK

    DMK Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,797
    Location:
    Over the hills and far, far away
    Anybody know what weapons were used?
     
  9. SSN Vet

    SSN Vet Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    5,775
    Location:
    The Dark Side of the Moon
    as with any engagement at sea.... think "long legs"

    My wife and I went out for a day charter on a well known sailboat, (well know in Maine at least, as the owner has built several schooner rigged boats and sailed them around the world), and I asked him about security concerns. His answer... .30-06.

    I think BARs would serve well, with some kind of bull pup for CQC should they actually get on board.
     
  10. ny32182

    ny32182 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2003
    Messages:
    5,733
    Location:
    Clemson, SC
    None of us are there of course, but I'd think if you did have armed security on board, repelling these pirates would be pretty damn easy, *given that you saw them coming*, which might not always be the case I guess...

    I mean really, we are talking about guys trying to climb from a rocking raft onto a huge reatively stable ship with a multi-acre deck. They have iron-sighted AKs that they are shooting from... once again... a rocking small boat, at an elevated position. They are going to have a near zero chance of hitting anything before they get on board. This seems like shooting fish in a barrel to anyone defending with a scoped bolt gun from the deck of the ship.

    So if I were outfitting a security crew, I'd put spotters with scoped rifles on the front, back, left and right as the first layer. (Add mounted MGs here if allowed by law, but probably isn't) If these guys fell asleep and let pirates get on board undetected, I'd take some guys with ACOG-equipped M4's as backup. If you could keep them at a distance on the ship, once again you'd be at a large advantage vs. someone with ironsight AK and probably minimal skill in using them.

    It is all easier said than done I'm sure.
     
  11. wishin

    wishin Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2009
    Messages:
    2,430
    Location:
    Georgia
    If the security guys are on the ball it could be like shooting fish in a barrel, I would think.
     
  12. heron

    heron Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,062
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Well, I'm sure the dead ones will at least smell nastier . . .
     
  13. HoosierQ

    HoosierQ Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2008
    Messages:
    2,568
    Location:
    Central Indiana.
    I would think a weapon capable of shooting incindiary grenades would be a good thing for this kind of anti-piracy self defense. Having owned a boat, the darned things are pretty much floating gas tanks. I think the M-16 with the built in M203 grenade launcher would be an ideal anti-piracy weapon for repelling boarders and then some sort of short QCB weapons for fighting aboard should it come to that...handguns even in the hands of some of the crew.

    Piracy today is easy for these guys because people don't or can't fight back. It would go from easy to very hard if ships could defend themselves. Unlike the days of the Spanish Main (when some pirates had capable ships of more or less military caliber), a bunch of Somali Pirates are never going to get their hands on a Arleigh Burke class destroyer with which to ply their illegal trade.
     
  14. ForumSurfer

    ForumSurfer Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    3,057
    Location:
    NC
    Amen, brother.:cool:

    As if anyone needs to ask? You are on a large, stable platform that moves up and down. The pirates are on smaller, faster, less stable platforms that move up and down...firing most likely ak's that they aren’t trained on. I’ll take a large caliber, magazine fed, dead accurate rifle with a helluva scope/night vision setup right up until they get on the boat, at the very least 308 or higher. I’d rather have 300 win mag, or preferable 50BMG and a good shooter. If you can engage the hostiles before they can even hit you, well you can afford to make many hits and misses before they get close. Hopefully, their buddies falling down dead before they ever get close would discourage any further hostilities. But if they get on board, it’s m4’s and side arms…the captain gets an 870 marine magnum, just because every captain should be given the chance to go down fightin if it all goes bad.
     
  15. BHP FAN

    BHP FAN Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    5,810
    Location:
    Northern California
    I think a Barrett .50 would punch some holes in a pirate boat,and out reach a RPG.
     
  16. ForumSurfer

    ForumSurfer Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2010
    Messages:
    3,057
    Location:
    NC
    Absolutely the best bet. But maybe a smaller caliber would be more ideal since possessing a 50 cal will land you a felony in many ports of call. You'd need to check the local ports and figure out what is the biggest round you can take without going to local prison.
     
  17. Vern Humphrey

    Vern Humphrey Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    18,506
    Location:
    Deep in the Ozarks
    It's been my experience that killing bad guys just makes them deader.
     
  18. Gouranga

    Gouranga Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2010
    Messages:
    928
    Location:
    Gaston County, NC
    Wow, someone actually used common sense and armed the ships. I think in the short run, yes this will make the pirates nastier. It will also make the prospect of going after these ships much riskier and less profitable.

    I just do not get the liberal press' stance that we need to make things easier for criminals so they don't get meaner.
     
  19. Zack

    Zack member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    577
    Location:
    USA
    :rolleyes: Imagine that. Guns saved a ship!

    I would have a stock pile like in King Kong when they opened the seat and a bunch of Tommy guns where in there. I would not want to be at sea with just "one for per person"
     
  20. gym

    gym member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,903
    So they don't want to piss off the other Pirates? Or they will do what? Bring their Parrots with them next time?
    I sure would not want to anger anyone trying to kill me. This is the thinking that allows this kind of nonsense to continue. Obviously if you kill a bunch of them, the rest will have to find a new line of work, unless the politicians have a better idea, like paying them millions of dollars that isn't theirs.
     
  21. fireman 9731

    fireman 9731 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,178
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Good riddance!

    I wonder how much money you could make being part of a "armed private vessel protection detachment".... Sounds like fun to me!
     
  22. Arkady

    Arkady Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    298
    Location:
    Columbia, SC
    Barrett? Nah.

    Mount a couple of M2HBs, and have a few rifleman handy. I very much doubt that the average Somali pirate can out-range a belt fed .50, and it's heavy enough to make plenty of holes in their boats. Rifleman can take care of anything that gets inside the range of where the M2 can be depressed. An AT-4 or similar would be handy if they bring the mothership in too close.
     
  23. NMGonzo

    NMGonzo Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2009
    Messages:
    2,691
    Location:
    Albuquerque & Santa Fe
    I am a liberal.

    I believe that more armed response teams should be allowed to liberally pour lead into the situation.

    Make it rain.
     
  24. Guiding101

    Guiding101 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2009
    Messages:
    73
    Location:
    North Dakota
    Above there was talk of "outranging an RPG". I really doubt the pirates are lobbing RPG rounds at the ship containing what they are hoping to steal. I have to go +1 on the M-16 and gernade launcher. The belt fed 50 as well. While the merchant ship is a stable platform, it could be tough timing the up, down motion of said pirates bobbing craft, even more so under pressure, with AK rounds zinging over your head. I have to vote high capacity millitary weapons that can send large quantities o lead down range.
     
  25. NMGonzo

    NMGonzo Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2009
    Messages:
    2,691
    Location:
    Albuquerque & Santa Fe
    [​IMG]

    Both platforms are moving.

    A Ma Deuce is hard to move around.

    M249 fires enough bullet fairly inexpensively.

    Make it rain.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page