Mosin Nagant - Am I the only one who does NOT like these?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Quoheleth, Oct 16, 2011.

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Mosin - Love, Like or Leave?

Poll closed Nov 15, 2011.
  1. Love the Mosin - will not be without at least one.

    131 vote(s)
    36.3%
  2. Like the Mosin - take it or leave it.

    141 vote(s)
    39.1%
  3. Leave it - nothing good to say about it.

    89 vote(s)
    24.7%
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  1. Mike1234567

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    I stand corrected on the price... nothing new though. Maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to NOT spend more money. :)
     
  2. nathan

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    Two things the VC s like, their nuoc nam and Mosin Nagant rifles. It is a known fact to chopper pilots in Nam that if you fly low at treetop level above triple canopy jungle, somewhere along the way a lucky shot by a VC using his M 44 will get you killed . A lucky hit on the hydraulics will bring you down. Enough said


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP2UeeQ1DsE
     
  3. HD_Ride

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    I have to ask why did you buy one if you hate it? What did you expect from a 70 year old rifle?

    As far as the bolt there are 100’s of videos on how to correct it, in most cases you just have to clean it. I just pick up my 3rd and I’m not done yet. I do have a few modern rifles but I tell you what nothing is more fun to shoot than the Mosin. I love the kick and the fact I that it is primitive, cheap and severed in WW1 & WW2 to the present.
     
  4. A Historian

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    I have got the opportunity to handle and fire a good number of them. Some are good, some are bad. Some are very accurate, some are not worth writing home about.

    I do not think I will ever own one, despite their place in history.
     
  5. montanaoffroader

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    I like my Mosin, it cost me $109 OTD. Ammo is reasonable, and it groups decently. I do need to invest in the 1" recoil pad, just for the extra length. Also had to do a bit of polishing to smooth out the trigger a bit. It could still use a little more work, maybe I'll make the time for it someday.

    There are rifles I would rather own (Enfields, Mausers, etc.), but they can't be had in good shape for under $200, at least not around here.

    I can understand why someone wouldn't care for them though. They are loud, they kick, and they are kind of crude. That's why I like 'em. :D
     
  6. nathan

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    120 yrs old design and still going strong even in continental North America ,thousands of miles from Mother Russia.
     
  7. Clifford

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    Lets see...

    When the MN was designed the average male was about 5'5" and in the regions it was used in the soldiers usually wore heavy winter coats. The rifle was designed with a LOP to fit smaller soldiers with heavy coats on, not 5'10" men wearing t-shirts. A slip on recoil pad works nicely to get the rifle out and away from your face and take the bite outta shooting it.

    As for sticky bolts and horrid triggers, clean the dang thing. More than likely its been sitting in storage, packed with Cosmo, for at least 40 years. No, the trigger isn't gonna wind up as good as most commercial rifles but remember what it is and who it was designed for. If the trigger really bugs ya there are some how to's on line showing you how to clean it up yourself. If you really want, Timney now makes a trigger for them as well.

    Accuracy? Well, they aren't usually tack drivers. The bores on most of the rifles are pretty beat up. That said many have been able to get near MOA out of the MN with a little fiddling. Shimming the stock, free floating the barrel, bore polishing, try picking up a couple different brands and manufacturers of ammo (surplus isn't necessarily bad, some users report good accuracy with some) and try shooting for groups with the bayonet folded and extended (many report that their MN's shoot the tightest groups and closest to POA only with the bayonet extended).

    The MN isn't a good choice if you want a rifle that you dont have to fiddle with. If you dont mind spending a couple hours tinkering to work the bugs out, its a great rifle.

    BTW, im not a MN fanboy. I dont even own one. My personal favorite surplus rifle is the Steyr M95. Its a light and quick handling straight pull bolt action that I love to shoot. I have shot and tinkered with quite a few of the MN's thou and I think they are hard to beat for the money. Sooner or later I will add a couple 44's to the safe.
     
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  8. Quoheleth

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    Well, with all the luv I thought I would try it. Paid $200 for gun & spam can of ammo. Fired 40 rounds. Sold gun and remainder ammo for $140. That works out to buck-fifty per pop.

    When you go with conventional wisdom, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I lost.

    Q
     
  9. nathan

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  10. Mike1234567

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    Power-wise... what does 7.62x54r have over .30-06 Sprg or .308 Win?
     
  11. JHenry

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    its on par with two from what ive read
     
  12. Gtscotty

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    I usually just keep my mouth closed when others are singing the praises of mosins. I don't personally care for them, but plenty of other people seem to, and I'm not really one to rain on the parades of others, just for the hell of it. The one big Pro I can see that they have is that they are the cheapest safe (usually), full power rifle, and as such can be picked up for little coin for plinking and hunting. Aside from that, I believe if you have a little extra cash to spend, they really don't offer anything over modern bolt guns, or mauser type rifles. Power wise, the 7.62x54r comes in somewhere between the .308 and the 30-06, it just "feels more powerful" because of that poorly designed stock and steel butt plate ;) .
     
  13. tommyt654

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    I like mine, both are slightly modded and shoot well at 1-200yrds in the 2 1/2 to 3 inch range. Just took a little cleaning to get the bore right and have taken a few deer with them. So far my total investment including scopes,mounts,bolt mods and stocks are less than $400 for both,so yeh I,m happy with them and they shoot well and cheaply.Guns are lot like women they are what you make them into :)
     

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  14. rcmodel

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    In 1956, Nikita Khrushchev said "Мы вас похороним!", (Translated "We will bury you").

    Little did I suspect at the time it would be in 2011, with crapy worn-out 100 year old, surplus Russian army rifles!

    rc
     
  15. Tim the student

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    I don't know, but after I get my first one, I'll let you know.

    I'm intrigued enough by them to plan on ordering one in the next couple months.
     
  16. simonm2211

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    It's OK but it is appeal is mostly for the historical side of things. I, for one, have no problem in believing the trigger pull is 20+ pounds. Pull it out a couple times a year and shoot it and appreciate its contribution to history. There are several more refined and accurate rifles from the era but none as cheap to own ($89) or shoot.
     
  17. ROCK6

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    I like it for what it is…a very simple, robust and capable bolt-action battle rifle. I picked up a M44 sometime back and I too am no Mosin-Nagant fanboy, but it was a decent deal and I like the history of it. The only addition was adding the Mojo rear peep-sight and that M44 will bust clay pigeons at 100 yards for as long as your shoulder will hold out. I really don’t shoot it much anymore, but whenever it goes to the range, somebody always wants to shoot it. Unless you’re trying to fill a spot in a collection, I wouldn’t spend more than $100 for one…they were worth it when they were well below $100 mark. As ugly, ungainly and archaic as they are, I have no doubt they will be found more than functional 100 years from now if ammo is still around…hell, even without ammo my M44 would still make a great anti-zombie weapon :D!

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  18. wojownik

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    I collect them both because of the history (I am a bit of a historian of the region) and because I actually enjoy the rifle.

    Some think these are ugly rifles. Can't argue personal tastes either way. I think they are rather interesting, particularly the Finn variants.

    Most of my Mosins have sweet trigger pulls, again particularly the Finn variants. My M44s, however, do have horrible, heavy trigger pulls (with the exception of my Chinese T53, which is a very fine trigger.

    Accurancy can range from side of a barn, to tack driver. My Mosin sniper (original, not repro) and Finn M39s are some of the most accurate military rifles I own. My M44s are odd - more accurate with bayonet extended than folded, even then accuracy ranges from a pie plate down to a dessert plate at 75 yards. Never bothered to take an M44 to a longer range.

    I've found the kick no worse than most other .30 cal bolt action rifles. Actually, personally, I feel there is less felt recoil in the M91 and M91/30. Granted, however, I also find the recoil on the M38 and M44 to be excessive - quite unpleasant to shoot.

    For sake of discussion and clarification though, its not completely accurate to pan it as "just another Commie" weapon, since the M91s were produced in Tsarist times. Also, many of those collected on these shores came by way of the Finns, who were actually fighting against the "Commies". Also used by Poles, who fought against both Commies and National Socialists with the rifle.

    Oh, and not to nitpick, bear in mind that the M91 was also produced by US factories (Remington and Westinghouse), as well as the French factory, Manufacture Nationale d'Armes de Chatellerault ... none of whom I would consider managed or staffed by illiterate peasants.

    But if you can't stand them, I respect your opinion, even if I don't share it.
     
  19. Hanzo581

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    I like 03s, and Mauser better, the Enfield about as much. The mosin i have is accurate, and very bubba lol. I got it for 40 bucks and have spent......0 to make it do what i want. The stock IS too short, and with a round that hits as hard as the 54r it hurts to shoot sitting down. Stand and be proud of a 6-8" group at 100yds, and should help with the recoil. My currant handload is a .310 174hrndy fmj at 2550 fps out of the 22" barrel. last time i shot it off the bench it was right at 1 1/2" at a hundred with a 4xpistol scope out on the sight rail. Pretty good for a gun from the 40s, that i bought for $40
     
  21. Panzercat

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    Well, I guess the only consolation in this thread is that the cost of entry is absolutely minimal. Even if you don't like a mosin, you didn't lose much. Of course, you might not recoup your investment in resale, but /shrug.
     
  22. Outlaw81

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    This is my opinion only. I think that they are cheap Russian garbage and are ugly to boot. Not capable of great accuracy and are hurtful to my eyes. They are chambered in junk calibers and are nothing compared to weapons that were produced not ten years after its conception. Just my opinion. The best weapons made in Europe were the steyre mannlicher and Belgium brownings. The nagant keeps up with neither.
     
  23. dmstumpf

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    I bought mine a few years ago.. Refinished the stock, gave it a real nice clean up. First time shooting it I had an uncurable FTE problem. Gave up after that, being a $85 rifle and all. Pretty cool for a cheap collectors item. However there are better, more economical guns out there, in my opinion.

    And yes, it kicks like a mule, and I really enjoyed that. If she can handle it, I can:

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  24. Gordon_Freeman

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    I shot one for the first time last week. It is an M44 and I love it. I just had to laugh at the big blast coming out of that thing.
    When I first saw Mosins I didn't get why anyone would want one. Now I appreciate history and the looks of them have grown on me. The fold out bayonet is such a neat feature.
     
  25. sig220mw

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    I have never really liked their looks. But then again I didn't like the looks of the sks and now I do. I think the Finnish model 39 is the only one I would consider and of course it is more expensive.

    Just because they are not my cup of tea doesn't really matter to someone that likes them. More power to you if you do like them.
     
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