Most used progressive presses

[NeuseRvrRat]

lolololol

 

[angus6]

Wonder how many of that 185 are Black instead of Blue presses

 

[joecil]

I wonder about these surveys as most people I see are using Lee everything in these reloading groups. But not one to argue the point just a bit surprised considering the cost of others and lee.

 

[NeuseRvrRat]

perhaps they are a silent majority

i don't discriminate. i've got Lee, RCBS, and Dillon presses. Accessories from all of them plus several other companies.

 

[helotaxi]

i just think it's funny that you would write something off simply because you've never heard of it.

Wasn't my point. Didn't write it off specifically because I'd never heard of it, but I do discount it as representative of reloaders because I, as a reloader, have never heard of it. My point is that because of the inherent sampling error in an online poll where the sample is self-selected, and the potential pool of respondents isn't comprehensive, the results are worth what you paid for them. Yes, I have studied surveys and sampling methodology.

 

[helotaxi]

It looks like where the question is asked has a lot to do with the outcome.

Basic survey and study design would tell you that is the case. Self-reported, voluntary, online polls are essentially worthless in global application because of enormous sampling error. Sample the AMU and you would find 100% of their ammo is loaded on a Dillon. Same with the USAF shooting team.

If you apply the results within the constraints of what you know about the sample to arrive at an acceptable level of certainty, you can say that of those registered members of Ultimate Reloader that chose to respond to this survey, 38% claim to use a Hornady LnL. You can't even remotely consider that to be representative of all progressive reloaders, even on Ultimate Reloader, in fact. I'm not saying that it's not, I'm only saying that you can't claim that it is if you want the results to stand up to even the most cursory statistical scrutiny.

 

[FROGO207]

FWIW a "local" plumbing company that is a competitor, did a survey. They were voted #1 in the local area 4 years in a row says the sign out front of their store. So I ask one of their employees and yep they mailed a survey to all their customers and asked them to rate the local plumbers. So any surprise with those results there?? When you ask a targeted audience you get the results you want. My guess the newer internet savvy reloaders that have limited income that actually need to reload large amounts quickly would net these type of results.

 

[dragon813gt]

I'm wondering why anyone would care? It's the same Chevy/Ford debate w/ all the fanboys getting upset because the results are different then what they think they should be. With such a niche market I don't know why people get caught up in what color their press is. Like any tool just pick the best one for your needs. Not because you read a poll and "x" brand won.


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[Lost Sheep]

Some immediate thoughts:

It would probably be more informative if we could get a count of the ROUNDS loaded on each brand of press, not just a count of the presses in use.

Definitely, the sampling bias (what population is being surveyed) affects the results.

I wonder how the Lee Pro-1000 got left out. I have to imagine there are more of them out there than the Lee Loadmaster. Are they all gathering dust?

Lost Sheep

 

[cfullgraf]

fanboys

I like the term.

Like any tool just pick the best one for your needs. .

No, just pick the color that best matches the decor in you reloading room. Then the decision is much easier, unless you get the significant other involved.

 

[helotaxi]

I wonder how the Lee Pro-1000 got left out. I have to imagine there are more of them out there than the Lee Loadmaster. Are they all gathering dust?

Or have been turned into soda cans by the recycler.

 

[longdayjake]

I own a dillon 650 and two LNL's. Both presses have advantages and disadvantages. Neither is better. LNL is probably most popular because it is cheaper and free bullets. Not because it is better.

 

[ColtPythonElite]

For years I considered a Dillon 650, but 1k free bullets and the lower price led me to the LNL.

 

[cfullgraf]

It took me 6 months of research to decide between the Dillon 650 and the Hornady L-N-L. I decided the Hornady would better fit my needs. The lower cost and free bullets were icing on the cake.

Actually, the free bullets are not really free, you pay shipping and the choice was somewhat limited when I got my press. Fortunately, they had a bullet that I was using in the list.

 

[Sam1911]

A year or so ago the stats from a national IDPA competition had the stats on equipment used by the competitors.

Regarding reloading presses:

Dillon 199
Hornady 8
Lee 14
RCBS 9

It looks like where the question is asked has a lot to do with the outcome.

That would be my first comment. It all has to do with WHO you're asking. Any group will have it's own influencers and drivers which push that local population to favor something. I don't happen to know anything about Ultimate Reloader, either, but they aren't representative of ALL press users, of course. Maybe they have a lot of new loaders who've chosen the LNL because of local praise for it on that forum. Maybe they have a lot of OLD long-time users who have gravitated to that press because it really is more cost-efficient. Maybe Hornady buys tons of ad space there. Maybe something else.

I do know IDPA and the competition world is universally the "Cult of Blue." Again, there are probably several reasons which drive that. High round counts. Heavy demand on the presses + Dillon's reputation for customer service. The competition world's drive to get whatever's reputed to be the best: "buy once - cry once." Reputation of long standing, vs. a newer product that is less established? Some of it, I believe, is wanting to get whatever the "standard" is so you don't have to worry if that facet of your equipment is holding you back.

That might seem silly, but when you're competing against your fellows head-to-head with similar equipment, you tend to try to eliminate anything in your kit which is an outlier so that you are really testing your personal performance, rather than your gear. So a new shooter starts to become competitive in IDPA and puts together his gear package. He'll be told something along the lines of, "Buy a Glock 19 (or M&P), buy a Blade-Tech holster, buy a Wilderness Instructor belt, buy a Dillon 550/650, buy Dawson Sights, Apex trigger...etc." because those things eliminate all question of equipment deficiency. It probably isn't that the up-and-coming shooter evaluated every press on the market and chose the best based on every metric (necessarily, anyway), it's that one day at the match he said, "I need a reloading press...," and 37 people turned around and said "DILLON" in unison.

So, all depends where/who you ask.

 

[jmorris]

Instead of used most should have been rounds loaded. As others have said you can look as sales to answer that poll question.

 

[dickttx]

As Frog said, lots of strange polls.
Big billboard on I-30 that says a certain hospital has been voted the best hospital in Fort Worth for 16 years in a row.
Wouldn't the only people that were qualified to vote have to have been in all 14 hospitals in that year?

 

[dragon813gt]

Instead of used most should have been rounds loaded.

I will disagree because this would favor a design that's been out longer. Doesn't mean it's better or that people are still using them. There are to many variables and it's just another dumb poll.



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[EddieNFL]

I've seen several polls from USPSA and IDPA matches and they always mirror what Rat posted above. I've always wonder why Dillon and Hornady aren't much (MUCH) closer.

Are they all gathering dust?

Mine is gathering algae.

 

[jmorris]

I will disagree because this would favor a design that's been out longer.

My point was that a "progressive" that doesn't work correctly will be "used" much longer than one that does work.

Has nothing to do with age or time spent but rounds loaded within the same time frame.

I have single stages and turret presses that have a lot more "time loading" than some progressives I have but they have loaded many fewer rounds.

 

[Striker Fired]

When do you guys even have time to shoot(or reload for that matter) anyway?
Days of back and forth: mine is better than yours!!!(picture a sock over each of my hands with angry faces painted on them )

This survey was better done than yours!! ( left hand sock with tongue now painted on it ).

Oh <deleted>, it 2:00 am??? where am I???

HINT< HINT< HINT<

 

[Walkalong]

Are these findings any surprise to you?

Only surprised that the Dillon wasn't the highest. They got hold of the competitor shooting market before anyone else had a good enough product. It is unlikely to change a great deal. Once your in, and your good, you tend to stay in.

 

[Otto]

I sell reloading stuff on eBay. Dillon items always receive the most bids, sells the fastest and at a higher price than any other reloading brand. I've actually sold used Dillon tools for more money than when they cost new. No other brand of reloading compares in resale except for vintage presses like Star, Hollywood etc.
I would attribute this to Dillon's quality and immense popularity.
The reason it's not the most widely used equipment is because many folks simply can't afford it. Lee and Hornady's niche is affordability, Dillon's is quality.

 

[Canuc Shooter]

The Hornady line of presses are almost always available in the majority of gun shops across Canada. I have 2 Dillons (ordered directly from dillon). Most people would not take the extra time to order a Dillon, but go and visit their local gun shop and pick up a Hornady.

 

[savanahsdad]

I live in WI and LEE is made in WI so that may be why I see a lot of them here , (buy local buy American !) oh and they work, I know 2 others with Dillons and one with a RCBS and no one with a Hornady ? and I have not check but I'd bet I know no one that has been poled eather , and I have never seen a LOADMASTER in a box store , just pro1000's, Cabelas don't even carry the 5 hole turent for them , and IDPA .... can you say sponcers I bet most of them got them for free!! RCBS LEE DILLON ect ect I know if I made a press I would give them away to the pros