Mountain Lion ate the pigs!

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They've been spotted in MN - unofficially, lol. According to MN DNR - "they are not found in MN" and do not exist.

boy, if that doesn't sum up our state DNR perfectly.

Only it doesn't since they do not state that they are not in the state. The information provided by anothernewb is in erro. Mountain lions are on the website. What is stated is that there is not a known breeding popution, but that there are sufficient resources for them in the state.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/mammals/index.html
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/rsg/profile.html?action=elementDetail&selectedElement=AMAJH04010
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/education/kids_pages/certificate_of_discovery.pdf
 
Mountain lions are bad news.

For some things. I wish a cat would move into my area and run off packs of coyotes. At least they're quiet and avoid people. The danged pasture poodles yip and holler all night, are a threat to smaller pets and farm animals, and have even attacked children on a few occasions recently.

17 mountain lion deaths over a century in two nations comprising almost an entire continent tells us they're a non-issue. In all my years hiking, hunting, camping and living in rural areas where they're known to be relatively abundant, I have seen exactly one puma, for about a second and a half.

I'm sure I'd be pretty scared if one jumped into the trail in front of me growling and hissing, but unless that happens, I don't fear them at all. Most attacks on adults have been surprise encounters for both, as cougars really want nothing to do with people (smart, since we pretty much kill anything and everything). I personally have zero interest in hunting them. I respect and admire the animal too much, and it doesn't appeal as a food source to me.
 
Cougars are cats, and all cat's play - I bet they do kill for sheer sport.

Not a cougar, but a Canadian lynx. Just another example of how all cats are the same:
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Took this at a wildlife park in northern Arizona called Bearizona. The same behaviors that apply to your housecat apply to these larger cats. Just there's the lack of respect and fear due to size. You're basically a large rat to them by comparison. These people with tamed tigers and such are playing a dangerous game. Yes, the animal may love them. But while a normal cat may play-stalk you, swat you, or nip you, a big animal doing this may inadvertently kill you, even if they had no intention to actually harm you. All cats are the same. Just it's a matter of size and respect. And a mountain lion may consider you prey.
 
Just there's the lack of respect and fear due to size. You're basically a large rat to them by comparison.

Respect? LOL in the wild kingon at that level, such high/complex emotions are not known to exist. Humans are the only animal that thinks respect is supposed to be part of our interactive environment and that we somehow deserve it because we are humans.
 
I have seen a Big Bob cat ( much bigger than the two posted) at Kingwood Country club in Houston (Kingwood Tx.) while playing golf a few times. All the critters there are so used to humans that they pay little heed to the 2 legged golfing folks. The squirrels and crows would wait until you stopped your golf cart by a green to sneak in your cart and steal any snack you might have left....darn squirrel's would sometimes want to beg or fight ya for it displaying how well they grasp things in a rather serious tug of war.... Crows not so much as they were more into hit and run.
 
Double Naught Spy said:

Respect? LOL in the wild kingon at that level, such high/complex emotions are not known to exist. Humans are the only animal that thinks respect is supposed to be part of our interactive environment and that we somehow deserve it because we are humans.

I disagree, there may just be some discrepencies in what a different species and individual considers respectful that are lost in translation.

Take for example many large grizzlies.
People like Timothy Treadwell who know enough about the animal to sit on the border of disrespectful and tolerable have shown just how long it can take to get attacked. Spending months around these animals playing on that line.
While another person that comes stumbling along can upset the bear quite early on and get attacked much sooner, their ignorance requiring they almsot have to resort to a gun or spray right away.
Or similarly many photographers that give a respectful distance often are not attacked. While someone that does not show a level of submissive respect can get attacked.
It is not because they are out of reach that the bear leaves them alone, they could cover that ground in seconds. It is because the person shows a level of respect and calm, while also not triggering their prey drive (If you fall down or run away for example they may still suddenly decide to attack.)
People have worked with lions in the same way. Tempting fate, but through understanding typical animal reaction and behavior socializing with large wild male lions extensively over a period of time. The Timothy Treadwells of the lion world.

Some big powerful predators find it insulting when someone acts safe around them and don't even acknowledge the danger posed by the animal.
You see this in both semi domestic and wild lions for example.
It seems to often be interpreted as a type of disrepect, and provokes what to many people seems an unprovoked attack.

Likewise people have worked with wild Gorillas and found something similar with the dominant male.
If they acted like they were lower on the hierarchy after having been accepted in prxomity to the animals over a period of time violence was often avoided. While if the person acted dominant or showed an alpha level of overconfidence the actual alpha felt a need to violently challenge them through attack or intimidation.


There is always exceptions, and animals are also indivdiuals. But there is definately a respect issue with many.
Most people are just so used to the human perspective they don't percieve the differences in some animals.

I have seen domestic pets that would get angry and attack if someone laughed at them when they stumbled or hurt themselves. One person had a pet racoon that would act in that manner. Normally a calm pleasant animal, even around kids. It was a little clumsy though.
Yet if people started laughing at it then it would become angry and chase and bite the person making fun of it.
While that is a domesticated animal, imprinted with human social qualities, it goes to show wild animals could have similar traits.

So it doesn't mean you can socialize or interact like you would with a person, or that they are always predictable, but there is definately animals that think certain actions are tolerable, and some are disrespectful and require retaliation.
It doesn't make them right or their interpretation superior, but it does show they have an interpretation of things that are and are not disprectful and insulting.
Things that are respectful to humans may not matter to an animal, while things that don't matter to most humans certain species might routinely find disrespectful.
Someone that understands those things can often coexist with the animals, especially if they are not intentionally going to the extremes of what is tolerable most of the time.
 
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