Mouse gun?

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I've been pocket carrying a Baretta Tomcat .32 for a month or so and I really think I made the right decision when I went to a gunshow intending to buy a KT P-32 but decided to go with the Tomcat for $50 more because of the feature set and in spite of the slight extra weight and size. It's still very much a pocket pistol and can act just like a P-32 if you wish ie draw and pull a long double action trigger to shoot. On the other hand you have the option of a well placed safety and the ability to draw back the trigger and start out with single action. The flip up barrel gives you the ability to load, check, and unload the chamber without racking the slide. Like the KT product it has mixed reviews. I have a bit over a hundred rounds through my Tomcat and it has yet to miss a lick, not much of a testimony but it's where I am at this time.
 
Kel-tec P32 in DeSantis Nemesis holster. It will go ANYWHERE!

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Another vote for the Kel-Tec P-32. I don't consider the .380 enough more powerful to warrant trading up, but if I were in the market, I'd certainly be interested in the P-3AT. I used to carry a Walther TPH in .22LR as my "always" gun, 'till I got the P-32. It was compact, accurate, reliable, and cheap to shoot, too. My daughter now carries it, because she didn't like the P-32 and her Tomcat "kicked to much." :rolleyes:

BTW, I found the Tomcat to be too wide to be a good "Pocket Gun." If I wanted something that large, I'd go with a 5-shot .38 snub.
 
The only mouse gun that has been reliable for me has been my Beretta 21A, CZ-70 and my Walther PP .32acp. I don't really think the CZ-70 or the Walther falls into the class as mose gun because theyare too large and heavy to carry in my pocket.

I think a mouse gun has to be small and light enough to stick in your front pants pocket without too much trouble. Other people have other ways of deciding what is considered a mouse gun but that is mine.

I have had two Jennings J-22s, Raven .25acp, Kel-Tec P-32 and a Taurus PT-22 that I would all rank about the same, JUNK! The Raven was the best out of the bunch and the only one that never jammed or had any problems. If I had to pick one of the ones I just listed for self defense, it would be the Raven but it was clearly made cheaply and I felt that it was just a matter of time before something went wrong with it. Also, it was SA only so you couldn't carry a round in the chamber safely. It would take two hands to get into operation and if I really needed it, I'm not sure I would have two hands free.

The Kel-Tec was the most expensive and the biggest POS out of all of them! It had to go back to the factory after 200 rounds for constant FTE jams and at about round 400, it broke in my pocket somehow! I don't know how it happened but I shot it at the range and it worked fine, I then loaded it and put it back in my back pocket cliped on to the outside of my pocket as always and the next time I tried to shoot it, nothing! Not even a click! The trigger axis had broken which is a common problem for these guns.

I have heard a lot of people who claim they got good P-32s but I have also heard a lot of people who got bad ones. IMO, they aren't worth the risk. They have a bad rep and I think it is deserved. Quality on these is about one step above Jenning, Bryco, Raven, etc. and about four steps down from the Taurus PT-22 and about a 100 steps down from a Walther or Beretta.
 
I like my Beretta M21A. It has been extremely reliable as I have yet to have a failure of any kind. I got turned on to them years ago when a few of my friends who were LEOs mentioned that they were a favorite backup/deep cover gun.
 
A .38 is not a mouse.

Mouse guns start at .32 and work backwards.

Just my opinion.

Try to find something unusual, like a Beretta Jetfire or Colt Junior.
 
Another vote for Kel Tec P32...mine has 750-1000 rounds thru it without a failure, is amazingly light and accurate and inexpensive.

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I will be adding their new P3AT to my collection later this year- approximately the same size, but significantly more power.

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The overwhelming number of experiences with the P32 posted on this and other sites has been positive; Kel Tec's customer service (should you require it) is also stellar.
 
Another vote for the Seecamp .32. I tried a P-32...it failed out of the box. I have had no problems with the Seecamp, and it's well built and reliable.

DW
 
S&B used to sell 00 in a 3 inch .410 (5 pellets)

I like the Kel-Tec p-32 a great deal. My brother-in-law has one, my brother and his wife want to order (imagine the outing where 4-5 people all pull the same gun at "Mr. BG came to interupt our dinner plans..":D

For looks the PPK gets my vote. I'd love to own one just because it is a very beautiful gun.
 
The P32 has no equal for size/weight/thickness

The Kel-Tec is the champ, as far as I'm concerned for a pocket pistol that weighs less than 10 oz fully-loaded with 8 rounds, is only 3/4" wide and all but disappears in a pocket. It is so light that a second mag can be carried with no appreciable weight gain.

I currently carry either a Smith and Wesson 340SC .357 mag revolver or an NAA mini-revolver in .22 MAG. Yes, the 340SC pocket carries easily and the entire package weighs less than one pound. (gun, ammo, and holster)

For concealability in the right kind of pants the Kel-Tec P32 and the NAA mini-revolver are my all-time favorites for mouse guns.
 
The KT P32 is a great little mouse gun. In my 'palm pilot' holster, it sits inconspicously in my front pocket and always there when I can't pack something larger.

As far as reliability, I have only had problems with cheap ammo, American, with light loads. As far as the pistol, I have never had any problems with it.
 
Well, I just picked up a P-3AT that I hope to put through th eringer tomorrow SO hopefully, I'll be changing my vote from teh P-32 to the P-3AT.

FYI, It feels a little bigger in the hand and looks a little chunkier, but it carries just as easily as the .32.
 
Please let me know how it shoots i was really hoping for a .380 caliber..IF you dont mind may i ask how much you paid for it
 
$303 out the door ($279 + Dallas' ourageous sales tax) , A little high, but I'm sure they will be coming down over the next few months. The P-32's were $229.
 
Per the request for a performance review, I took my new P-3AT to the range today to break it in and get a first impression of the little beast. Overall, I am happy with its performance, but there were a few things which disappointed. I will just list the highlights in bullet form.

Preparation:
- Degreasing and cleaning
- Light F&B – polished feed ramp, removed burs
- Sanded trigger face to remove sharp parting lines
- Painted front sight orange.

Shooting

- 200 rounds of S&B FMJ. On the second magazine load, the last round failed to extract. Otherwise all 200 rounds fed and extracted perfectly. I cleaned and relubed the gun after the first 100 rounds. All rounds were fired at 7 yards with one or two handed grip offhand. It shot to point of aim using a center hold. In slow fire groups were generally about 4 inched CTC. In semi-rapid fire, the groups opened up to about 6 inches CTC.

- 18 Cor Bon 90gr. JHP were fired. In each of the three magazine loads, the # 2 round failed to feed. On the second and third magazines, the #3 round also FTF’d. Out of 18 rounds, there were a total of 5 FTF’s. It was the typical type in which the bullet simply got caught on the feed ramp. A bump or push on the rear of the slide successfully chambered all 5 of the misfeeds.

- It was about 98F and I was rather sweaty so I found it very difficult to rack the slide to chamber a new magazine after the first two. This was much worse than the P-32 due to the heavier recoil springs and lack of a slide lock. I was able to rack it by either thoroughly drying my hands and racking it normally, or by using an overhand grip and pushing the slide back with my entire hand.

- On 3 or 4 occasions, I lost count and let the hammer fall on an empty chamber.

- Recoil was not painful in anyway. I suppose that it is more severe than the P-32, but unless you shoot them side-by-side, you may not notice. Since my hands were rather slippery, as mentioned above, the pistol shifted in my grip on a few (<10) occasions during the end of my session. The required me to shift my grip prior to the next shot.
 
Maybe a step above a true mouse gun, but I can recommend the Kahr PM9. 6+1 of 9mm in a compact package that goes in pocket loaded at 19.4 ounces. They remain rather pricey these days - and semi-difficult to find. Just talked to a friend tonight who had to wait over 2 weeks for one, paying $510 without night sights.
 
The P32 is the American Express gun. With one of those, there's no excuse to go unarmed at any time.

The P32 is the only gun I can carry in the front pocket of my Dockers without printing in a dreadfully obvious fashion.

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Beretta 950 Jetfire. Whimpy round, but ultra light, easy to handle/conceal, good ammo capacity and an ultra reliable launch platform with over 40 years of proven use.

I'd rather have a whusee round in a platform I know will work than chance something more substantial that may fly apart in my hand.
 
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