MS-13 Plans to Control Border Territory

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Gang plots border attack
Department of Homeland Security document reveals MS-13 plan
By Sara A. Carter and Kenneth Todd Ruiz, Staff Writers

Members of a violent international gang working for drug cartels in Central and South America are planning coordinated attacks along the U.S. border with Mexico, according to a Department of Homeland Security document obtained by the Daily Bulletin.

Detailed inside a Jan. 20 officer safety alert, the plot's ultimate goal is to "begin gaining control of areas, cities and regions within the U.S."

The information comes from the interrogation of a captured member of Mara Savatrucha, or MS-13, a transnational criminal syndicate born from displaced El Salvadoran death squads from the 1980s.

The MS-13 member, who claimed to have smuggled cocaine for the Gulf Cartel, explained a plan to amass MS-13 members in Mexican border towns such as Nuevo Laredo, Acuna, Ojinaga and Juarez. The Gulf Cartel runs its drug smuggling operations from Del Rio, Texas, to south of Matamoros, Mexico.

"After enough members have been pre-positioned along the border, a coordinated attack using firearms was to commence against all law enforcement, to include Border Patrol," the alert states.

Mike Friel, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security and Customs and Border Protection, would not comment specifically on the alert.

Through investment, technology and infrastructure, Friel said, Homeland Security is "determined to gain control of the border."

Law enforcement officials along the border said they had not received the alert.

Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez of Zapata County in Texas said he was angry about the alert because he has never received information from the Department of Homeland Security about this or any other threat along the Texas border.

"That is something that I was not aware of, but information like this should be given to us immediately," he said.

Gonzalez said it's another example of poor communication between law enforcement agencies.

"Since Sept. 11, we heard there was going to be a sharing of information, but today we still haven't received anything," he said. "All the information of threat levels, I get through the media."

In Arizona's Santa Cruz County, where in May a sniper shot two Border Patrol agents in the legs, Sheriff Tony Estrada said he was alarmed by the documented threat.

"That message seems to be the strongest type of indicator that they are seriously planning to use force," he said.

Estrada added that it shows how frustrated the smugglers have become, but said the plot is a "bad idea" that wouldn't work.

"It would be real dumb move," he said. "If that should happen, and if any of our agents are threatened or injured or killed, it's going to create a lot of unity and cooperation."

Gonzalez added that his deputies have seen increasing violence from drug cartels and what he believes are Mexican soldiers working for them.

A member of the 16-county Texas Sheriff's Border Coalition, Gonzalez said he would immediately inform other sheriffs.

As a precaution, he would change how his deputies operate, he said. Some of his deputies have been patrolling the border alone.

"We're going to be better prepared, and the officers will too," he said. "Unfortunately (the cartels) are not going to wait."

According to a secretary in the office of Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Tom Vinger, Vinger said he had no information about the potential threat.

Andrea Simmons of the FBI's office in El Paso, Texas, said she is familiar with such threats, but said her office is not investigating any such attacks.

"We haven't had any specific threats regarding that or any information for us to be able to follow up on," she said.

AGENTS UNDER FIRE

The alert documents several armed, brazen attacks on Border Patrol agents between May and January.

Violence at the border has risen dramatically during the past couple of years, according to law enforcement officers all along the border.

Estrada said crime there is "more competitive, more profitable and more violent," and that increased scrutiny at the border and intensified law enforcement efforts have frustrated criminal elements in Mexico.

A smuggler named Pablo "El Patron" Mercado said he will no longer tolerate the loss of contraband and has ordered smugglers to carry firearms, according to a Jan. 13 alert referenced in the document.

Sgt. Benjamin Reyna of the Bisbee Police Department in Arizona said he's seen much more violence in the past several years.

"It's on the increase," he said. "They have a lot less fear of law enforcement now."

Reyna said cartel enforcers, smugglers and people suspected of being current and former Mexican military are taking shots at law enforcement officers.

CENTRAL AMERICAN INTERESTS

The primary subject of the alert concerns a confrontation between a U.S. Department of Agriculture inspector and 20 men armed with assault rifles in the area where a creek feeds into the Rio Grande in Zapata County on Jan. 9.

The inspector, who was on horseback, said a boat dropped the group off inside U.S. territory.

Some of the subjects appeared to be carrying automatic assault rifles, and threatened to shoot the inspector's dogs, the alert stated.

The inspector had his gun and badge hidden under his jacket so the men could not see that he was a law enforcement agent. He told the armed men he was a rancher.

"(He) stated that he believed this might have saved his life," the alert stated.

The inspector, who is fluent in Spanish and has lived near the border all his life, believed the men were not Mexican nationals, based on their accents.

The incident report concluded that the men probably were from Central America and members of either MS-13 or ex-Guatemalan Kaibiles, a military special forces unit specializing in jungle warfare and counterinsurgency.
 
Sadly, I say bring em on! IMO, this would be the only way the mass population would pressure the govt to secure the boarders.

Question is though, say these guys do this type of attack, what do you think the chances are of the un-organized militia being involved. Not that I would want to, I survived 8 years of active duty with out combat deployment, but I would go if called.
 
Gah.

For all Europe's problems involving unfriendly immigrants, we have groups actually trying to wage a real war-and our 'leaders' don't do crap. Minutemen are called 'vigilantes' and the real problem is ignored!:fire:

The only upside is that this would hopefully make some people get some fingers out of posterior regions.

CR
 
How many troops do we have deployed in S. Korea and Germany?

Frankly, I see the Dept. of Homeboy Security doing NOTHING about this. They don't want to rock the economic boat. That's what this is all about in the end: $$$.
 
Ah. Pop-up shoot-back targets for sniper school graduation exercises. Line forms to the left, keep it orderly, troops...

lpl/nc
 
Longeyes, We have approx.70,000 troops in Germany (mainly sitting on thier arses) and another 100,000 +- in South Korea. Some are useally on a 24hr standby on the DMZ. To remove the troops from Germany would remove about 25% of the GNP of that country. It would be a durn shame if THAT happened!!!:evil:

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
 
They start their border war I may just

load up my guns and head for the border. Enough of us show up and start dropping MS13s they may decide that was a bad idea.
 
longeyes said:
How many troops do we have deployed in S. Korea and Germany?

Frankly, I see the Dept. of Homeboy Security doing NOTHING about this. They don't want to rock the economic boat. That's what this is all about in the end: $$$.


No, Presidents Bush's lapdog - Chertoff - has been talking quite a bit recently about their "guest worker" plan. It's always about $$$'s - that's why the guest worker program will be law soon.
 
oneshooter said:
Longeyes, We have approx.70,000 troops in Germany (mainly sitting on thier arses) and another 100,000 +- in South Korea.

I'm not sure about the number of US troops in Germany, but I believe the number in South Korea is more like 25,000-30,000.
 
No, Presidents Bush's lapdog - Chertoff - has been talking quite a bit recently about their "guest worker" plan. It's always about $$$'s - that's why the guest worker program will be law soon.

I think we're saying the same thing: The "Guest Worker" program has its fuse lit.
 
Ok so whose house in Arizona will I be staying at for vacation

I think it would be a very nice thing for all of us gunowners to have a large multistate bbq/shooting competition all along the border.

I sure would like to meet all of you fellows. I grill one hell of a steak.
 
Kodiaz said:
I think it would be a very nice thing for all of us gunowners to have a large multistate bbq/shooting competition all along the border.

I sure would like to meet all of you fellows. I grill one hell of a steak.

It's about time to have a THR reunion/border-deterrence drill. Sounds like a plan.
 
double plus good

A gun shooting competion at or near the border?? thats a great idea!...
Maybe a big meet up of THR's TFL's get the NRA and the GOA & the JPFO
involved...
 
Johnnybgood said:
load up my guns and head for the border. Enough of us show up and start dropping MS13s they may decide that was a bad idea.


sir, you have no idea of what you are meaning to say...however, it's your right to say so...this(news) is not good for anybody involved, but what do i know! it's downhill from here on...take care, Y'all..:uhoh:
 
I think it would be a very nice thing for all of us gunowners to have a large multistate bbq/shooting competition all along the border.
Hey Sam, you'll put me up for a bit, right? Always good to have someone around the house helping with chores, shooting the gangsters, learning to shoot better.:p

Seriously, anyone here. You help me with my shooting, I'll hang around for a couple of weeks. Help you do some other stuff too.
 
oneshooter said:
Longeyes, We have approx.70,000 troops in Germany (mainly sitting on thier arses) and another 100,000 +- in South Korea. Some are useally on a 24hr standby on the DMZ. To remove the troops from Germany would remove about 25% of the GNP of that country. It would be a durn shame if THAT happened!!!:evil:

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/korea-orbat.htm
According to this source the current US deployment in S Korea is <32000 for all branches combined. Actual deployment numbers are likely to be smaller.

JH
 
Just FYI, but the troops in Germany aren't just "sitting one their arses" any more than troops at Ft Hood, Ft Riley, Ft Bragg, or Ft Campbell. They're part of the OIF rotations (no use for heavy/mech troops in Afghanistan) just like the rest of the Army. I have a friend stationed in Bavaria. She was the triage OIC when that suicide bomber blew himself up in the Mosul chow hall (BTW, the news reports leave out that the hospital took a mortar hit during triage.) Her husband goes back for his second trip next month.

My understanding was that MS-13 was composed mainly of the remnants of the communist rebels.

And initiating organized attacks on law enforcement in the US is an excellent way to accomplish two things: one, cause the border state governors to call out the Guard and move them to the border (and a good chunk of those Guard troops have combat experience); and two, get Uncle Sam to declare MS-13 a terrorist organization, and bring a lot more resources down on them than are bothering with them right now (CIA, DIA, NSA, instead of just FBI/DEA/BP).
 
By "sitting on thier arses" I mean that they are not needed in Germany, a country that no longer needs our help to defend itself. The troops in Korea are almost constently on 24hr alert, at least when I was on the DMZ in 75. Maybe things have changed.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
 
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