Mexico: Men in border incident not soldiers

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Since the Fed is as usual dragging their feet and doing nothing on this issue, I am curious why the states can't jump in on their territories and defend them? I know the border is federal jurisdiction, but just behind it is the state's jurisdiction. What am I missing here with this idea?
 
I think based on my complete lack of experience in things border and federales the problem lies in two areas. First area is borders are a federal jurisdiction.

Second, the federales are adamement (?sp) that nothing substantive be done. I think the federales would take a dim view of any state action which effectively stops the flow and made them look like what they are doing--nothing. Too much federal money comes to the states and can be cut off on a whim.
 
Both the governors of Arizona and New Mexico have moved to provide financial assistance to law enforcement organizations in the border counties. But what they can do is limited - first they only have so much money that can be used for this, and second, it is the specific responsibility of the federal government to control illegal immigration. Local and state police agencies neither have, nor want the legal authority to deal with the problem. To a degree they can do something about cross-border drug smuggling.

They can arrest illegal immigrants – like anyone else – for committing crimes such as burglary, robbery, rape, aggravated assault, etc. but this is causing our prisons to become filled to overflowing, and the total expense falls on state and local governments. The criminals are not deported until after they serve they’re sentence. And shortly thereafter they come right back.
 
I was thinking of somthing a little more portable. Say a couple of M-14's with AP ammo. Enough to penetrate light side armour and class 3 vests, light enough to carry all day, 11lb vs 30lb. :D A couple of rounds in the engine block of a Hummer should be enough, if it comes down to the nasty a couple of round through the gunner and/or driver should be enough also!:evil:

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Americans will get their chance to wake up and raise heck very soon: the "Guest Worker" bill is on the runway. They can get steamed before or after the bill passes. Up to all of us.

This administration plans on force feeding this to us no matter if the voting
base wants it or not I have told my senators that I will vote against anyone
voting for this bill and distasteful as it may be I plan to do so.:banghead:
 
I agree with you, Wingman, that the "Guest Worker" atrocity appears to be a done deal. The real story, though, will be where all of this goes from there. The rightwing talk radio people believe the Democratic Party is self-destructing, in the thrall of moonbats. Perhaps they should examine the mote in their own eye. Forcing the New Amnesty bill through may very well lead to the collapse of the Republican Party. A lot of people are going to feel very sold-out and are going to be very ticked off by 2008's Election. I think both major Parties are dinosaurs, having shown themselves pragmatically unable to deal with the vital concerns of the nation given to us by our Founding Fathers.
 
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I agree with you, Wingman, that the "Guest Worker" atrocity appears to be a done deal. The real story, though, will be where all of this goes from there. The rightwing talk radio people believe the Democratic Party is self-destructing, in the thrall of moonbats. Perhaps they should examine the mote in their own eye. Forcing the New Amnesty bill through may very well lead to the collapse of the Republican Party. A lot of people are going to feel very sold-out and are going to be very ticked off by 2008's Election. I think both major Parties are dinosaurs, having shown themselves pragmatically unable to deal with the vital concerns of the nation given to us by our Founding Fathers.


A friend and I were talking about this last night and I agree with you here. I think it's best if both parties go the way of the Dodo to be honest. It's six of one, half a dozen of the other. The Repubs are molesting the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th Amendments, the Dems would be raping the 2nd, 9th and 10th. Both parties would cry outrage over the unconstitutional actions of their political adversaries, yet we will not see them undo the damage if they come into power themselves.

When the Dems run in '08, one of their biggest platforms will be the Patriot Act and the WoT's being unconstitutional, yet I can guarantee we will not see them relinquish the power granted to them by the trespasses of their predecessors when they sit on the thrones of the Beltway. When the Dems control the house and senate, they will ruin the 2a if they can and we won't see the next Repub in office giving that power up over the subjects of America when they have control of the house and senate.

They have middle-America hoodwinked. While those that toe their party line are busy berating the other side fighting over the intellectual table scraps of their own respective political propaganda machines and putting blinders on to the evils of their own parties, the Dems and Repubs in power are busy bargaining over who gets access to what is left when they divvy up every single freedom we used to have in this country.


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush says Bill Clinton has become so close to his father that the Democratic former president is like a member of the family.

Former President George Bush has worked with Clinton to raise money for victims of the Asian tsunami and the hurricane disaster along the U.S. Gulf Coast.

Asked about his father and Clinton, Bush quipped, "Yes, he and my new brother."

"That's a good relationship. It's a fun relationship to watch," Bush said in an interview with CBS News broadcast on Sunday.

While attending Pope John Paul's funeral, Bush said, "It was fun to see the interplay between dad and Clinton. One of these days, I'll be a member of the ex-president's club. ... I'll be looking for something to do."

He said ex-presidents share rare experiences that others cannot understand. "And so I can understand why ex-presidents are able to put aside old differences," he said.

Bush said he checked in with Clinton occasionally.

"And you know, he says things that makes it obvious -- that makes it obvious to me that we're kind of, you know, on the same wavelength about the job of the presidency. Makes sense, after all, there's this kind of commonality," he said.

Bush jokingly referred to speculation that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the former president's wife, will seek the Democratic nomination for the presidency. He had earlier referred to the former first lady as "formidable."

"Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton," he said, referring to how Bill Clinton had followed his father, and Hillary Clinton could follow him.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060130/od_nm/bush_clinton_dc

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Pagin Mrs. Wolfe...
 
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Okay...what does the landowners that have property along the borders have to say on this matter? I mean, doesn't the "migrant" labor have to pass in their property?

Aren't there laws protecting one from trespassers?


And then wouldn't that become a local matter and not Federal?

I am not sure if anyone else has brought this up, which is why I am now.

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