Mexico: Men in border incident not soldiers

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Well, I'm glad this is finally explained. I know President Bush has a plan to deal with the border problem - what worriesme is it appears to be the same plan that Senator Kennedy has. Why do they think alike?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11021314/

MEXICO CITY - Mexico insisted Wednesday that men in Mexican military-style uniforms who crossed the Rio Grande River and sparked an armed confrontation with Texas law officers earlier this week were drug smugglers, not Mexican soldiers.

Mexico’s presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar said the FBI supported that view, but he gave no evidence of the claim.

“These were not Mexican soldiers,” Aguilar said at a news conference. “It is known that these are drug traffickers using military uniforms and they were not even regulation military uniforms.”

Texas law enforcement officials confronted armed traffickers near the Rio Grande river on Monday as what looked like a Mexican military patrol assisted the marijuana smugglers as they escaped back into Mexico.

On U.S. side of border
Andrea Simmons, an FBI spokeswoman in El Paso, told The Associated Press that Texas Department of Public Safety troopers chased three SUVs, believing they were carrying drugs, to the banks of the Rio Grande during Monday's incident.

Men dressed in Mexican military uniforms or camouflage were on the U.S. side of the border in Texas, she said.

Simmons said the FBI was not involved and referred requests for further details to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported Tuesday that the incident included an armed standoff involving the Mexican military and suspected drug smugglers. The incident follows a story in the Bulletin on Jan. 15 that said the Mexican military had crossed into the United States more than 200 times since 1996.

Apparent military Humvee helped
In a news conference, Rick Glancey of the Texas Border Sheriff's Coalition, said three Hudspeth County deputies and at least two Texas Department of Public Safety troopers squared off against at least 10 heavily armed men from the Mexican side of the Rio Grande.

U.S. officials who pursued three fleeing SUVs to the Mexican border saw what appeared to be a Mexican military Humvee help one of the SUVs when it got stuck in the river, he said.

“The other two vehicles headed towards the riverbank. One of them crossed back into Mexico, and the third got stuck in the riverbed,” Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said on Tuesday.

An estimated 10 men in camouflage gear in what looked like a Humvee equipped with a .50 caliber machine gun unloaded what was believed to be marijuana from the stuck vehicle, set it on fire, then carried the bundles into Mexico, he said.

A second SUV had a flat tire and was left behind in the United States and its occupant ran across the border, Glancey said.

Gonzalez, also of the Texas Border Sheriffs’ Coalition, said he was skeptical about the Mexican government's claims.

“When you see a Humvee vehicle with a .50 caliber machine gun on it, this leads you to believe this is not a vehicle being used by the drug lords, but in fact is part of the Mexican military,” Gonzalez said. “I think of course the Mexican government knows about this.”

Glancey said he could not confirm whether the armed men seen at the site were Mexican Army, police officers, or drug dealers, and would not detail what markings deputies may have seen on the men's uniforms or the Humvee.

Fearing international incident
Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department said that Mexican army personnel had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border, the Daily Bulletin newspaper reported earlier.

"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal said. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

Hudspeth County Sheriff Arvin West, whose officers were involved in a similar incident last year, said he is certain that Mexican authorities know who was involved.

After the newspaper reported on Mexican military crossings earlier this month, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the report was overblown and most of the incursions were just mistakes.

In eastern California, Arizona and New Mexico, the U.S.-Mexico border is largely unmarked. But in Texas, the Rio Grande separates the two countries and even when dry, is a riverbed about 200 feet wide.

In November, Doyal said Border Patrol agents in the border town of Fort Hancock called for help after confronting more than six men dressed in Mexican military uniforms. The men allegedly were trying to bring more than three tons of marijuana across the Rio Grande, Doyal told the newspaper.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
 
At least no one denies the incident happened.

Lot of things over the years got swept under the rug.
 
NMshooter...

That rug has a lotta lumps in it. Pretty soon, even Joe and Sally Six-Pack are gonna start feeling them under their unprotected, tender little feet.
By then, it'll be way too late.
Biker
 
So no one asks how the drug smugglers happen to be outfitted with mexican weapons and vehicles, patrolling the border in place of the military? Where do the drug cartels end and the government begin?
 
mat not be thr but.....

to much talk and not enough action.
if they are military then this is an act of war, open fire.:banghead:
if they are drug smuggling border crossing criminal/terorrist, open fire.:banghead: :banghead:
don't talk when you should be shooting.:fire:
 
Cacique500 said:
I second the A-10 idea.

Thirded. That's enough to hold a vote, right?

My thoughts are simple:Any armed force crossing or that have crossed the border should be treated as a military invasion. If they turn out to be mexican military, treat it as a sneak attack and insist on some border concessions.
 
It should be obvious that our officers can't start a fight when they are outnumbered, and the other side - whoever they are - have heavy automatic weapons while those on our side have handguns and (maybe) semi-automatic rifles or pump shotguns. :eek:

It is equally obvious that any Mexican District Commander that reported to his superiors in Mexico City that such things could be going on without his knowledge would soon find himself reassigned to cleaning latrines. :rolleyes:
 
I say they should send my platoon down with some barretts and two or three MK19s, and a bunch of M1As, regardless of whether they are military or drug runners we'll be doing a good deed.
 
I'm with Preacherman.

ID them at the autopsy. Whether or not they're military is a non-issue right now because we have armed foreign people incurring on our border. Kill them and deal with the issue. If smugglers, problem dies with them. If military, problem is forced to the foreground to be dealt with. Either way, kill them.
 
walking arsenal said:
Put me down for wack a few and then figure it out.


We used to use that theory to check on downed deer here. (No matter what anyone tells you, you can't always tell in dense eastern brush whether a deer has antlers. Just ain't enough time.) Called it "ground checking". And was 100% accurate. So few things in life are.
 
So, we couldn't tell just by looking at them that they were official Mexican government troops. Darn it, leave it to the feds to burst yet another bubble of Peter Pan fantasy of Mexican troops pouring over the Rio Grande and THR members leaping up from their recliners SKSs in hand to repeal the hordes.:D

OTOH, ah, where is the USA down there? Why isn't he rounding up folks for a grand jury to investigate and prosecute whoever was responsible?
 
QuickDraw said:
Wait a minute.
Why would they be smuggling pot in to the U.S.?
Eveyone knows that the best stuff is grown right here
in California!:D
I call B.S.:neener:
I was thinking the same thing myself. Pot is not a high-markup business that would pay enough to buy off the Mexican army. Cocaine, yes, but pot? We produce so much good-quality smokables here, we don't need any Mexican imports. Now if we could just start producing our own coke and heroine, it would be better for our economy and would take money out of the hands of terrorists and criminals south of the border.
 
QuickDraw said:
Wait a minute.
Why would they be smuggling pot in to the U.S.?
Eveyone knows that the best stuff is grown right here
in California!:D
I call B.S.:neener:

QuickDraw
Note the story - they were being chased SOUTH towards the river with that pot. They were probably bringing back some imported quality stuff from Humboldt Co.

--- Preacherman is right - an autopsy could tell us for sure who they are.
 
AUTOPSIES

In a news conference, Rick Glancey of the Texas Border Sheriff's Coalition, said three Hudspeth County deputies and at least two Texas Department of Public Safety troopers squared off against at least 10 heavily armed men from the Mexican side of the Rio Grande.

An estimated 10 men in camouflage gear in what looked like a Humvee equipped with a .50 caliber machine gun unloaded what was believed to be marijuana from the stuck vehicle, set it on fire, then carried the bundles into Mexico

Maybe some consideration should be given as to who the autopsy(s) might be done on. Has anybody looked at the odds here? Obviously the American law enforcement officers that were involved did.

"When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."
:uhoh:

If our border is being crossed by individuals armed and equipped as described above, the response should come from out military, not civilian law enforcement officers. But at this time the U.S. Government has no military forces protecting the border. Any role they have is as observers. :banghead:

The Old Fuff thinks that some folks need to wake up and smell the coffee...

(Which is a good idea... He will now return to his. :) )
 
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