Multi caliber hunting/bug out kit

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When I go to Georgia I never take more than 20 rounds. I’m thinking a deer caliber and a predator caliber.

Could this be achieved with just one 308 rifle & 2 different weight cartridges? A lighter faster 110gr for varmint & a 168gr-175gr for deer etc.?[/QUOTE]
Yes, in my mind at least... a Hornady Superformance 165gr SST load would be murder on deer and a 130gr JHP Varmint load from Federal would be murder on coyotes...
 
When I go to Georgia I never take more than 20 rounds. I’m thinking a deer caliber and a predator caliber.

Could this be achieved with just one 308 rifle & 2 different weight cartridges? A lighter faster 110gr for varmint & a 168gr-175gr for deer etc.?[/QUOTE]


I have thought of this but what’s the poi difference between the two? Might have to sight in between uses. It’s possible though. When we are deer hunting it’s never a moment of opportunity for coyote. It’s usually a planned change and we go get the calls and go after predators. Only once have I had a coyote come out while deer hunting. He was runnin across the trail too fast to get a shot off
 
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One option to consider is a Kel-tec SU-16. The model I have comes with a folding stock and it is very, very light. An AR-15 would be a better all round gun, but the lightweight models are often much more expensive than the SU-16. There are other 223/5.56 options also. Most of the non-AR alternatives get more expensive or heavier or both. This is really for a semi-auto option.

308 and 3006 are great calibers, but it you choose them for a bug out gun, you are accepting that you will carry less ammo. The ammo is just heavier and bulkier than 223 or other calibers. You may not need as much or you might have a stash that you can get to, but it is something to factor in.

i was going to get one, and going to get one, and going to get one for a long time and never did and then they discontinued them. real shame...because I was going to get one. now i have to pay way more for a used one.

So is archery.
archery is more time consuming than hunting with a rifle and a lot easier to screw up. Arrows also dont always survive.
 
so what does everyone else think? If you were building a do most kit what would you have in it? Would you go for a second caliber choice or stick with 1? What other gear would you try to pack in it?

No one here knows your preferences, your needs or your priorities like you do. Your hunting scenarios, your capabilities and what you are confident in are totally different than everyone else. Sames goes for one's subjective definition of a "bug-out" bag. To me, a "bug-out" bag is packed with essentials to get me home or to somewhere else safe. A far cry from grabbing a gun for today's hunt. What I take hunting depends on the hunt, the game, the area to be hunted and the time of year. What I grab for spring turkey is much different than what I grab for a fall pheasant hunt or a deer hunt. My choice of actions is based on how I will be hunting. Spring turkey hunt could be either a pump shotgun, a SxS shotgun or my bow. My deer hunt could be with the bow, with a long gun or as in most scenarios during the gun season, a handgun. Calibers depending on terrain.

EDIT: The main reason i say bug out kit is because it forces me to think light. I don't think ill ever be in a bug out situation but i like to use the idea so that it makes me think about more uses for everything that goes into the kit. im really focused on the hunting side of this whole question.

I don't see your "edit" as a game changer. If you were a new hunter, starting a new arsenal of one or two weapons for hunting, I could see asking for suggestions as to what folks prefer and why. But you seem to know your needs. As for wants, again, trust yourself. You only have to please yourself with tools needed for your situation. You do not need the opinions of others to justify or exclude any of them.

JMTCs.
 
No one here knows your preferences, your needs or your priorities like you do. Your hunting scenarios, your capabilities and what you are confident in are totally different than everyone else. Sames goes for one's subjective definition of a "bug-out" bag. To me, a "bug-out" bag is packed with essentials to get me home or to somewhere else safe. A far cry from grabbing a gun for today's hunt. What I take hunting depends on the hunt, the game, the area to be hunted and the time of year. What I grab for spring turkey is much different than what I grab for a fall pheasant hunt or a deer hunt. My choice of actions is based on how I will be hunting. Spring turkey hunt could be either a pump shotgun, a SxS shotgun or my bow. My deer hunt could be with the bow, with a long gun or as in most scenarios during the gun season, a handgun. Calibers depending on terrain.



I don't see your "edit" as a game changer. If you were a new hunter, starting a new arsenal of one or two weapons for hunting, I could see asking for suggestions as to what folks prefer and why. But you seem to know your needs. As for wants, again, trust yourself. You only have to please yourself with tools needed for your situation. You do not need the opinions of others to justify or exclude any of them.

JMTCs.


Good point. I just always over think everything and then give myself too many choices. I opted for an ar-10 kit. I just ordered a lower and the parts to build it. Next I’m ordering an upper in 308 then an upper in 243. The 308 will give me the range for mule deer and easily cover all my whitetail hunting anywhere I go. If needed I’ll have the 243 to set up on coyote and bobcat.
 
Good point. I just always over think everything and then give myself too many choices. I opted for an ar-10 kit. I just ordered a lower and the parts to build it. Next I’m ordering an upper in 308 then an upper in 243. The 308 will give me the range for mule deer and easily cover all my whitetail hunting anywhere I go. If needed I’ll have the 243 to set up on coyote and bobcat.
A word of caution, I did the same thing as you and ordered a 308 AR one piece at a time and it refuses to feed with any Pmag except one in particular... I then tried the same "trouble" pmags in my dad's 308 AR and it runs like a sewing machine! I'm not really sure what to do as I already tried a weaker recoil spring and that didn't help... It seems to want to short stroke just enough to eject a round but not fully pick up a new round, or it will barely pick up a round and jam it super hard into the upper receiver ruining the brass in the process...
 
A word of caution, I did the same thing as you and ordered a 308 AR one piece at a time and it refuses to feed with any Pmag except one in particular... I then tried the same "trouble" pmags in my dad's 308 AR and it runs like a sewing machine! I'm not really sure what to do as I already tried a weaker recoil spring and that didn't help... It seems to want to short stroke just enough to eject a round but not fully pick up a new round, or it will barely pick up a round and jam it super hard into the upper receiver ruining the brass in the process...

when I get it built I’ll post back on how it does. I have a bunch of pmags so I’ll be able to see if it works
 
Good point. I just always over think everything and then give myself too many choices. I opted for an ar-10 kit. I just ordered a lower and the parts to build it. Next I’m ordering an upper in 308 then an upper in 243. The 308 will give me the range for mule deer and easily cover all my whitetail hunting anywhere I go. If needed I’ll have the 243 to set up on coyote and bobcat.
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Bottom is 6mm creedmoor but they're very close. I had actually built a 24" bull barrel 243 first but rebarreled it with a 20" 6 Creed when I got my Ruger Precision Rifle in 6mm Creed.
As to having 2 uppers and 1 lower good luck with that around my house uppers without lowers end up growing them lol.
 
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Bottom is 6mm creedmoor but they're very close. I had actually built a 24" bull barrel 243 first but rebarreled it with a 20" 6 Creed when I got my Ruger Precision Rifle in 6mm Creed.
As to having 2 uppers and 1 lower good luck with that around my house uppers without lowers end up growing them lol.

that happens in my house too. I have 4 spare ar-15 lowers in the safe
 
So I have been pondering a grab and go rifle kit for many years. I can never narrow down my top caliber choices. My top use is it will be a hunting kit. I hunt predators and deer in the south mostly but sometimes I hunt mule deer out west. I have gone back and forth with having 2 bolt action rifles, which makes caliber choices endless. My other option is an ar-15 or an ar-10 with a complete rifle and then a second upper.

mother things going into the case will be one of my back up pistols, a Glock 20 or a 1911 in 10mm. I’ll have spare ammo, skinning knife, range finder, spare mags, shooting sticks.

now onto my caliber choices. If I go with an ar-10 I was thinking 308 and 243. If I go ar-15 I’m leaning toward a 223 and a big bore. Seeing as there’s so many caliber options I’m wondering what other people would like in a rifle kit.

most of my hunting is done under 150 yards. But there’s always a possibility of longer shots at big game. That’s where the big bore falls off the usefulness list. I hope to never need the kit for bug out but being prepared always sticks in my mind. That always makes me lean back to a 223 with a QD scope and red dot to be swapped out.

so what does everyone else think? If you were building a do most kit what would you have in it? Would you go for a second caliber choice or stick with 1? What other gear would you try to pack in it?

oh and the case I have and want to use is an eylar 53” case


EDIT: The main reason i say bug out kit is because it forces me to think light. I don't think ill ever be in a bug out situation but i like to use the idea so that it makes me think about more uses for everything that goes into the kit. im really focused on the hunting side of this whole question. I'll likely never have to carry this case a long way. it will go into the truck, off to hunting camp and only things that i need for that specific hunt will be carried.

I've already been down this winding, twisting road. Don't go there.

The long and the short of it is you're trying to do two very different tasks at the same time. You can't serve two masters. Get two different bags and set one up for each task. Or, if your budget constrains you to only one bag, then set it up as solely a bug out bag. When it's time to go hunting, repack it for hunting. When you return, repack it as a bug out bag.

As far as your firearms are concerned...the sky's the limit.

Handgun...something concealable is wise, but a full size service pistol packs more firepower. Handgun is your secondary, so it doesn't have to be perfect; it's okay to compromise. If you want one handgun for both hunting and bug out...357 covers you all the way up to black bear, but you only have 6 shots (5 in a J-frame.) Perhaps look at a 357 Sig, 45 acp or 10mm if you want mag capacity. Ideally, I'd say pick two handguns-one for hunting and one for bugging out. In which case, I say 357 or 44 revolver for hunting and full size 9mm for bugging out.

For a rifle, pick your bolt gun for hunting as you otherwise would, and then just go with a 5.556 AR for bugging out and be done. If you must have only one rifle, my thought is some sort of 308 bolt gun capable of iron sights-something like a Scout Rifle concept. Remember that, if you're bugging out through an urban area, your firearms attract unwanted attention from both good guys and bad.

Thinking light. You should be doing that regardless of the task at hand. Lighter ammo means more of it or less weight in your pack. Can you effectively hunt with a 223? If so, there's your answer. Regardless, I weigh every single item in my packs. I often trade out one item for a lighter version, or a single use item for a dual purpose item. Ounces = pounds, and pounds = pains. This is especially true over age 40.

My parting thought for you is this: you have bigger things to concern yourself with right now than caliber choice. Much more important things.
 
22 jet and 7.35x51 because if I were worried about finding ammunition I would simply choose the most plentiful caliber…and if I were to “bug out” I would have to destroy all of the belted 50 BMG, 7.62 and 5.56 vs leave it behind when I left my position, so it couldn’t be used against me later…or I guess if it were time to leave the safest place I have, I’d already be out of the others.;)
 
Could this be achieved with just one 308 rifle & 2 different weight cartridges? A lighter faster 110gr for varmint & a 168gr-175gr for deer etc.?

I have thought of this but what’s the poi difference between the two? Might have to sight in between uses. It’s possible though. When we are deer hunting it’s never a moment of opportunity for coyote. It’s usually a planned change and we go get the calls and go after predators. Only once have I had a coyote come out while deer hunting. He was runnin across the trail too fast to get a shot off.

That might depend on the type of reticle in your scope - IF you are using one. So many scopes have "hold-over" marks these days that you can use one mark for the heavier load (probably a lower mark) and another (higher) mark for the lighter bullet. Then just remember which one at the right time and you'll be able to take either with no change other than ammo. This is where removable box magazines are highly desirable ! ;)
 
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If I wanted to do the most with the least, an AR15 "pistol" or FM15 pistol would cover defense and game up to deer size.
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If light weight was a priority, I'd take an H&R 12 gauge, too. If I could take a few more pounds, I'd take a Mossberg or RIA slide-action, instead. This would allow me to take deer-sized game out to 250 meters, and larger (or smaller!) game out to 75 meters.

If I was less concerned about versatility, I'd take a bolt-action, and one of the 5.56mm pistols, and leave the shotgun. If I was in Alaska, I'd just take either my Mossberg, or one of my .30-06s, 7mm Mags, or a .35 Whelen, and my .454.

John
 
Bug out? I'm more worried about Buggin back in to my house if I'm out when SHTF. Do I have enough fire power with me to get back.
Home is where all the stores are.
 
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