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boofus
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Carry a one of those Striker-12 streetsweepers or a USAS-12 in the trunk so you have a badass shotgun too. 
My Patrol Rifle
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Never had a problem shooting prone with a 30 rounder myself.
3-gun matches are run up north of Dallas at uh....... Mind went blank..... big training school/range north of Dallas a ways. PM me I'll think of it in a little bit, it's run by a Brit guy who used to be SBS.
Ah! Tac Pro shooting center..... they run some WICKEDLY interesting 3-gun matches..... all real world stuff too. No 9,000 round 400 target stages.
3-gun matches are run up north of Dallas at uh....... Mind went blank..... big training school/range north of Dallas a ways. PM me I'll think of it in a little bit, it's run by a Brit guy who used to be SBS.
Ah! Tac Pro shooting center..... they run some WICKEDLY interesting 3-gun matches..... all real world stuff too. No 9,000 round 400 target stages.
El Rojo
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Interesting that you carry both your AR and the department Mini-14 as well. How many rifles can you use at once? Two I guess.
Smoke
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Nice rifle.
May I do small hi-jack?
My Patrol rifle is a little different, but the area I patrol is very different than a metropolitan suburb.
I Patrol the creek bottoms, brush and prairies looking for thieves. Local residents have been complaining of illegal aliens stealing their food supplies. I have authorization from the government to stop these illegals using any means necessary including deadly force. Most of my patrol, like yours, is done at night when these theives are most active.
My efforts are being rewarded as the activity in my area is rapidly decreasing. There is a large family that lives around here that are very thankful the family of Odocoileus Virginianus really appreciates my efforts.
I have attached a picture of my patrol rifle and also a picture of the theives. I am authorized to deputize anyone, on the spot, to aid in the capture or termination of these theives.
Patrol Rifle
Acorn Theives held in custody.
Thanks. We return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
Smoke
(sorry about that.... )
May I do small hi-jack?
My Patrol rifle is a little different, but the area I patrol is very different than a metropolitan suburb.
I Patrol the creek bottoms, brush and prairies looking for thieves. Local residents have been complaining of illegal aliens stealing their food supplies. I have authorization from the government to stop these illegals using any means necessary including deadly force. Most of my patrol, like yours, is done at night when these theives are most active.
My efforts are being rewarded as the activity in my area is rapidly decreasing. There is a large family that lives around here that are very thankful the family of Odocoileus Virginianus really appreciates my efforts.
I have attached a picture of my patrol rifle and also a picture of the theives. I am authorized to deputize anyone, on the spot, to aid in the capture or termination of these theives.
Patrol Rifle
Acorn Theives held in custody.
Thanks. We return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
Smoke
(sorry about that....
)VG
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Sir, that looks like a solid, practical choice. And likely to have the most compatibility with other departments, add-ons etc. And preserve your investment.
Does the department issue ammo, or do you have to buy your own?
Does the department issue ammo, or do you have to buy your own?
patentnonsense
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We have a local gathering of THR members in the area on second Saturdays and fourth Sundays - come join us! Particularly when we go to Gibson's, you'll see a range of battle rifles and carbines (though a lot of them are .308s).
Come join us!
Come join us!
j.wise
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I carry both rifles because policy demands it. The Chief worked hard to get us these rifles, and so he wants one in EVERY squad, whether or not we carry an additional one ourselves. Whatever, it's not like it takes up much space...
I have to respectfully disagree with those offering up a Marlin 336 as a suitable choice. You might choose to arm yourself with a 30-30 if you're going into a mall/school/church after an active shooter/terrorist/nut-job-with-an-AK; but as for me, I'll carry something a little more matched to the job at hand. I shoot from prone all the time. Not "sand-bag" prone, but REAL field prone with my elbows on the ground. The 30-rd mag doesn't get in the way at all, but I've got long arms...
The department provides Winchester SXT 69gr BTHP ammunition in .223REM. If we choose a different caliber for our rifle, we have to provide adequate duty ammo ourselves.
NFA items are fun, but not for a patrol rifle. Too much risk of getting "looked at funny" by the higher-ups/courts. I'll just be sure and not touch off a round in a meth lab... I WOULD like to have one of those Gemtechs, though... Hmmm....
I have to respectfully disagree with those offering up a Marlin 336 as a suitable choice. You might choose to arm yourself with a 30-30 if you're going into a mall/school/church after an active shooter/terrorist/nut-job-with-an-AK; but as for me, I'll carry something a little more matched to the job at hand. I shoot from prone all the time. Not "sand-bag" prone, but REAL field prone with my elbows on the ground. The 30-rd mag doesn't get in the way at all, but I've got long arms...
The department provides Winchester SXT 69gr BTHP ammunition in .223REM. If we choose a different caliber for our rifle, we have to provide adequate duty ammo ourselves.
NFA items are fun, but not for a patrol rifle. Too much risk of getting "looked at funny" by the higher-ups/courts. I'll just be sure and not touch off a round in a meth lab... I WOULD like to have one of those Gemtechs, though... Hmmm....
El Tejon
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Smoke, *AHEM* those are ALLEGED acorn thieves.
Jwise, I rock Gemtechs but lots of good tubes out there. The example of the cooker house is just a way to sell the suppressor to da Chief in case you want/need a letter. "Gee, Chief, just think that if, Vishnu forbid, we have to defend ourselves in there, we don't want to start a fire and possibly hurt others."
Jwise, I rock Gemtechs but lots of good tubes out there. The example of the cooker house is just a way to sell the suppressor to da Chief in case you want/need a letter. "Gee, Chief, just think that if, Vishnu forbid, we have to defend ourselves in there, we don't want to start a fire and possibly hurt others."
Bartholomew Roberts
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Collin County Gun Range offers IDPA on a regular basis. They also offer 3-gun matches on a less frequent basis (once a month sometimes less) to members of CCIDPA who have shot the required number of IDPA matches.
http://www.ccidpa.org/
They are in McKinney not far off of the Hwy 380 and Hwy 5 junction.
TDSA also offers both IDPA and 3-gun matches. They run three-gun more frequently than any other place I am aware of and are building up some nice facilities, to include a shoot house and a lot of bays. The long range portion of the range needed some work last time I was there though. They are about 30 min. south of downtown Dallas.
http://www.tdsa.net/
Finally, Tac-Pro Shooting Center in Mingus, TX offers a 3-gun match twice a year. It is easily the best match in the area and the facilities at that range are very good as well. The next match is in October and available slots fill up quick. TPSC is run by former Royal Marine Commando and SBS member Bill Davison and he has considerable real-world experience that he applies to the matches. It is easily worth the money; but it is essentially and all-day event and it may be tought to get a slot at this date.
http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/
Jeff Timm
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In a decision which will leave most THR regulars stunned in shock and awe, I agree with your choice of weapon and also the department choice.
I also advise practice with the telescoping stock in both or all three, depending on model, positions, Just In Case.
Geoff
Who has great faith in the Stoner system.
I also advise practice with the telescoping stock in both or all three, depending on model, positions, Just In Case.
Geoff
Who has great faith in the Stoner system.
RevDisk
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One technique is using the mag as sort of a monopod, then put non-shooting hand around the mag well. My arms are a bit long for it, but I've seen it used very effectively.
Milage may vary.
TheDutchman
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My dad was issued a M-14 by is dept, through a Government grant. It will rock and roll if it the SHTF
Thoughts on the mini-14. I like them and they are serviceable. The weakness is the sights and the ergonomics of the safety and magazines IMO. Worked one out the other day-ringing an empty propane bottle from 100 yards kneeling and some CQB work (standing, walking, turning etc...)at 3-15 yards. The rear peep sight is slow, so I looked over it...good results, not as tight grouping as a ghost ring AR, but not missing by any means.
Since you have to carry the Mini anyway, be sure to practice with it too...Your [drool] sweet Bushy [/drool] might be home one day for whatever reason when the SHTF.
Um, that barrel profile leads me to believe you could mount an M203.
Since you have to carry the Mini anyway, be sure to practice with it too...Your [drool] sweet Bushy [/drool] might be home one day for whatever reason when the SHTF.
Um, that barrel profile leads me to believe you could mount an M203.
The Grand Inquisitor
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What exactly does a suburban cop need a high powered military rifle for? It seems that the best thing you could do with that is accidently kill a few civilians with.
Police should be the last ones to carry military rifles.
Police should be the last ones to carry military rifles.
Andrew Wyatt
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I like your choice.
I'm a mini shooter myself, and would probably have gone with a mini with an aimpoint or other red dot optic on a downbore mount , and a surefire with tape switch on a rail. some of the downbore mounts mactually make the mini shoot better once torqued down.
remember, don't feed the trolls.
I'm a mini shooter myself, and would probably have gone with a mini with an aimpoint or other red dot optic on a downbore mount , and a surefire with tape switch on a rail. some of the downbore mounts mactually make the mini shoot better once torqued down.
remember, don't feed the trolls.
VG
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It's OK for civilians to have powerful rifles but not the local police department? By your argument none of us should have "military" rifles. Senators Kennedy and Kerry would agree with you.
I submit that if his Chief read some of the posters here, they'd be carting M240's and Barretts and their backup units would be M3 CFV's......
j.wise
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"OH Grand Inquisitor" [soaked with sarcasm]
I have seen the light of your opinion. Tonight when I roam my city to defend its citizens, I will leave my gunbelt at home along with the rifles. In fact, what do I need of body armor if I pose no threat to evil-doers? When called upon by the citizenry to come and render aid, I will thunderously reply... "who me? Help yourself!"
I have seen the light of your opinion. Tonight when I roam my city to defend its citizens, I will leave my gunbelt at home along with the rifles. In fact, what do I need of body armor if I pose no threat to evil-doers? When called upon by the citizenry to come and render aid, I will thunderously reply... "who me? Help yourself!"
El Rojo
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Don't feed the trolls! They will bite the hand that feeds them everytime.
While I sort of see the point that Grand Inquisitor is trying to make, I will put the politics aside on this one. At the end of the day, a cop has just about as much say in the Federal laws that infringe on our rights as a cocker spaniel does. Can't blame them for the BS that the boys in Congress come up with.
Anyhow, Given your restrictions and the function that your rifle has to serve, I doubt that you could do much better. Stick a fast moving varmint type round in that rifle and you have a real bad wound and more importantly, very little chance of overpenetration. Sorry guys, but I doubt that you could do that with an AK or SKS and I am almost certain that you can't with a 30-30. And with the switch of a mag, you could have SS109 and be punching holes in some bad guy's body armor or shooting through his getaway car. All in all, about as good of a choice as you can make. If it works for you, I say stick with it.
Anyhow, Given your restrictions and the function that your rifle has to serve, I doubt that you could do much better. Stick a fast moving varmint type round in that rifle and you have a real bad wound and more importantly, very little chance of overpenetration. Sorry guys, but I doubt that you could do that with an AK or SKS and I am almost certain that you can't with a 30-30. And with the switch of a mag, you could have SS109 and be punching holes in some bad guy's body armor or shooting through his getaway car. All in all, about as good of a choice as you can make. If it works for you, I say stick with it.
Jeff Timm
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Goon commented: "While I sort of see the point that Grand Inquisitor is trying to make, I will put the politics aside on this one. At the end of the day, a cop has just about as much say in the Federal laws that infringe on our rights as a cocker spaniel does. Can't blame them for the BS that the boys in Congress come up with."
I disagree. The police unions represent the police. In many places union membership is required.
The Police Unions have been opposed to the Constitution of the United States many times.
I have to hold individual police officers responsible, if they are union members.
On the other tentacle I marched in a civil rights demonstration against gun control in the Ohio State Capitol, Columbus, with two guys from work. Behind us were representatives (about 20) from the Toledo, Ohio Black Shield organization.
Geoff
Who has been around a while.
I disagree. The police unions represent the police. In many places union membership is required.
The Police Unions have been opposed to the Constitution of the United States many times.
I have to hold individual police officers responsible, if they are union members.
On the other tentacle I marched in a civil rights demonstration against gun control in the Ohio State Capitol, Columbus, with two guys from work. Behind us were representatives (about 20) from the Toledo, Ohio Black Shield organization.
Geoff
Who has been around a while.
El Tejon
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Grand, so jwise should carry his Mini-14, but not his AR? ***, over? What's the difference between the two weapons?
We all certainly hope jwise never has to shoot, but if you are concerned about accidently harming third parties then I am certain jwise will let you pay his tuition at a Gunsite or Thunder Ranch carbine class.
***, over? What's the difference between the two weapons?We all certainly hope jwise never has to shoot, but if you are concerned about accidently harming third parties then I am certain jwise will let you pay his tuition at a Gunsite or Thunder Ranch carbine class.
knzn
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j.wise:
Just have to thank you and all LEO's for your vocation. Then I would just encourage you to seek out and find a local IPSC club, and shoot shoot shoot. You will soon find out what indeed does work, and what is unnecessary, or just plain counter procuctive.
Just have to thank you and all LEO's for your vocation. Then I would just encourage you to seek out and find a local IPSC club, and shoot shoot shoot. You will soon find out what indeed does work, and what is unnecessary, or just plain counter procuctive.
Stinkyshoe
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J.wise
What do you feel the advantage of having a flip up front sight as apposed to a solid A3 sight is? What do you think the advantage of the 6 position stock is with the wide base, compared to the narrower based stock?
I think you made some fine choices there. That looks like a rifle that will serve you well in times of trouble. Your vision of the ideal patrol gun is the same as my vision of the ideal shorter range homeland defense gun.
What do you feel the advantage of having a flip up front sight as apposed to a solid A3 sight is? What do you think the advantage of the 6 position stock is with the wide base, compared to the narrower based stock?
I think you made some fine choices there. That looks like a rifle that will serve you well in times of trouble. Your vision of the ideal patrol gun is the same as my vision of the ideal shorter range homeland defense gun.
j.wise
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I took your advice, and got serious about my training. I shot at a local IDPA match today, and had a blast! I'm planning on going tomorrow to another match at another local range (same IDPA organization.) Once I shoot in a few of their pistol matches, I can shoot in one of their monthly 3-gun matches. I'm excited!
I like the flip sights because I prefer not to have any obstruction when using the EOTech. I like a field of view better than a big sight tower sticking up in front of me.
The telestock is the standard Bushmaster telestock. It's six position, and I prefer it on the 2nd or 3rd position out from fully collapsed. I don't really care about the baseplate much...
Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, etc. is definitely in my plans. I have the goal of both taking a carbine course AND attending a major gun training school. May as well kill two birds with one stone!
I like the flip sights because I prefer not to have any obstruction when using the EOTech. I like a field of view better than a big sight tower sticking up in front of me.
The telestock is the standard Bushmaster telestock. It's six position, and I prefer it on the 2nd or 3rd position out from fully collapsed. I don't really care about the baseplate much...
Thunder Ranch, Gunsite, etc. is definitely in my plans. I have the goal of both taking a carbine course AND attending a major gun training school. May as well kill two birds with one stone!
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