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SquirrelNuts

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I get asked a lot about my signature line. Here it goes.

I have always been a dog fan. My parents had a little dog when I was a kid, but she was mean, nasty, and did not want anything to do with me. My grandparents had a big dog that I loved a lot, and I spent a lot of time with her. My parents got me my first dog when I was seven. We went to the mall to the Doctor’s Pet Center. I picked out a Samoyed puppy, and named him Alex. He was my first of five Sammy’s. I grew up with them, took care of them, and they all lived between eight and nine years longer than they should have. I still remember them all very well.

I bought a house in 2004, and my ex-wife surprised me with a male German Shepherd/Australian Shepherd puppy on November 22nd, 2004, named Bear. At first, we kept him in the laundry room, but he destroyed it, so we moved him in to the backyard. He had a nice enclosed area to run in, and all was well. I was working in the garage one evening in May of 2005, my ex-wife was in the kitchen, and Bear was in the backyard. I heard her scream, which was very unusual. She is not the type to get freaked out over something small, so I knew it was serious. I bolted up the stairs from the garage to find the sliding glass door partially open, with Bear pressing himself into it trying to get inside, and my ex leaning out trying to grab his collar. Bear was being cornered by two brindle pit bulls that had jumped my fence. I ran up behind her and yelled, which scared them off. They took off running, jumped the railroad tie retaining wall, and left. We pulled Bear inside and closed the door. I called animal control and waited. I saw the animal control truck pull up, but it went to my next-door neighbor’s house instead…and I figured it was by mistake.

I went to talk to the officer and found my neighbor was waiting for animal control as well. The two pit bulls had charged her right before they came to my house and chased her in her house. I started asking around and found out that the dogs, Gator and Lady of Rage, belonged to a problem neighbor of mine. It turns out he is a convicted felon and street pharmaceutical salesman. That was the first I had learned of him or his dogs. That night was the start of a lot of problems from him, and the dogs.

I am going to skip the filler here and summarize it by saying that on average, his dogs would get out once every two weeks and cause problems. This was either charging other people, or attacking and killing neighborhood animals. He was also causing several problems. We kept Bear inside, and he did not step one paw outside unless we were with him. I kept my Mossberg 500 handy from all the incidents we were having. The problems died down for a bit, and he told the neighbors that he got rid of the pit bulls. There had not been any problems, so I believed it too. We felt confident that Gator and Lady of Rage no longer lived in our neighborhood. We got another dog, a blonde Chihuahua we named Gizmo. He was a rescue and was severely abused.

On the morning of Saturday, August 20th, 2005, we put Bear and Gizmo in the backyard to play while we cleaned the house. We opened up all the blinds and windows to air out the house. I was cleaning the dining room and my ex left to clean on her own. At 10:55 AM, I heard her scream just like I had heard back in May. I did not know exactly where she was and it sounded like it came from outside. I grabbed my shotgun and ran out the front door. I ran down my stoop to the sidewalk and turned the corner towards the driveway at the edge of the house. I saw Gator and Lady of Rage running down the sidewalk towards me. They were growling, showing their teeth, and running towards me.

I did not have any time to think. I did not even have time to mount the shotgun. I got a huge rush of adrenaline, and my body took over. I pulled the shotgun to my hip, pushed forward the safety and fired two rounds from the hip at Gator, the male. I got tunnel vision and I also could not hear a single thing. I could only see what was directly in front of me and I did not hear any of the shots. I located Lady of Rage, the female, and fired two shots from the hip at her. Gator tried to circle around to my left and I fired two more shots at him. I did not hear a single shot and I do not remember squeezing the trigger or pumping the shotgun. Lady of Rage took off out of my yard towards the street as I fired the last two shots at Gator. I started to reload from the speed feed stock and noticed that Gator was running away too. I stood there for a few seconds and went inside to call 911 to report it. I later found out that either shot five or six, intended for Gator, actually hit Lady of Rage literally in her butt hole. I saw the pictures from the emergency vet when they took out the 00 buckshot from her. She went to be with Jesus a few days after that. Also, while I was on my sidewalk reloading, my neighbor came outside and was yelling to me, “did you get them?” and I did not hear a single word she said, still deaf from the adrenaline rush.

I feel bad for the dogs because their owner would not keep them under control and take responsibility for them. It bothered me for a long time that I shot a dog, but I made it out without a scratch.

There was an investigation after that because the owner complained so much. It instantly went in my favor from the mountains of complaints these dogs had against them from previous incidents, but was still a hassle. They had also attacked another neighbor before they came to my house, and he had to defend himself with a machete. There is a lot more to this entire story, but this is the short version that covers the shooting.

I was using a reduced recoil 00 buckshot load in the Mossberg, and I was not impressed with its performance. I now carry 2 ¾” 1 ounce slugs in it.

I attached a picture of the wad that hit Lady of Rage. You can see her fur on it.
 

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I have been bitten by a big dog. I now can't bend my thumb all the way down. It wasn't a fun experience. If the two dogs had reached you I could have been really ugly for you. You had no choice. Thank God they didn't kill your dog.
 
I have heard similar stories about shooting pit bulls with buck shot. Switching to slugs was a good idea. Dogs can be quite dangerous and have killed children and adults over the years. Any dog that is mistreated can be become vicious and there is no way of knowing. Since you did know that they were viscous I think you acted appropriately.
 
The guy next door to me in the dorm in college was a doper who liked to give his big black lab, "Grover", acid. This gave Grover a distinct "Jekyl and Hyde" persona. One moment he'd walk up and sniff your hand, the next he'd try to tear it off.

Grover started chasing people, myself included. A friend in the dorm behind mine had been attacked by a dog as a child and DIDN'T like being chased by dogs. His dorm room was full of guns, so as soon as he caught his breath, he went to his room and got a .36 Colt Navy replica, a cavalry saber and a .58 Remington Zouave copy (with bayonet) and went looking for Grover. He didn't catch him, but in the meantime we called Animal Control. This was a small central Missouri town, so none of the public services was any great shakes. The woman from Animal Control showed up. Her tools of the trade? A piece of clothesline to tie through Grover's collar. Right off, we told her, "Sorry, that ain't gonna work out." She didn't believe us. She quickly found Grover, who nonchalantly gave her the once over. The second she went to grab his collar, he tried to kill her. She took off running, never to return.

We also went to the school. We told the dimwitted, pathologically lying Dean of Student Life that he could deal with the problem or we could. He told Grover's owner to get the dog off campus immediate. The owner claimed he did, but strangely there was a dog dish outside his door on several occasions. Must have been something kinky with his girlfriend. The owner was told discretely that if the dog chased anybody in our dorm again, it'd get shot. He was also told that if that happened, his outlook wasn't so rosy either. No more problems with Grover.
 
I don't mean to be overly critical here, but we can all learn from your story that if you don't AIM your guns properly(even a shotgun!), round count goes up, effectiveness goes down, and the threat remains a threat for a longer time. Only hits count, and any perceived advantage of quickly letting off unguided shots does no more good that setting off firecrackers.

I was using a reduced recoil 00 buckshot load in the Mossberg, and I was not impressed with its performance. I now carry 2 ¾” 1 ounce slugs in it.

Again, it's hard to be impressed by rounds that do not hit your intended target! Working on marksmanship and gun handling would be a better solution than switching ammo.

However, no innocents were harmed, you got off without a scratch, so all in all you did very well ;)
 
... i was attacked by a trio of wild dogs livin in the forests in Appalachia once. Two pretty big ones and one small bark machine. luckily they were like 20 yards away when i saw´em. They charged. i fired. 2 loads of #4 from a 16 ga was enough.

They ran off whining. i guess infection put them down.

It sure is an adrenaline rush. I´d hate to fist fight dogs!

a shotgun with a bayonet would be a good idea
for defending against big dogs IMHO.
 
I'm picturing you spraying from the hip, Rambo style. :p

I'm glad you're ok though, and thank god they didn't kill your dog!
 
I'm glad to hear that you and your pups were all ok. I too have had to shot a problem dog before. If you love dogs like I do, it's not a pleasant prospect.
 
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I am an outstanding shot, but in this case I did not even have time to bring the shotgun to my shoulder. It all happened in a couple seconds and that wad was ten feet from me. I never did hit Gator.

My house sits back from the road a good distance and up on a hill, so everything was shot at a downward angle and into the dirt. My favorite dogwood also got shot - see the attached picture.

His owner went back to prison for another felony drug conviction shortly after that. The wife took the kids to Disney World for a week and left Gator in the backyard with a big bowl of food and water. She came home, and Gator was missing and never heard from again. She moved away shortly after that and I have never heard from them.
 

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"and Gator was missing" That's so sad ... waddya think coulda happened to the nice doggy???
I honestly do not know. They had a habit of escaping. My guess is that he ran out of food, and left to find something (someone?) to eat. I bet he and his wife think otherwise.

Great story, but could you spell check Investment.
Thanks. It was correct for the past several years. I added the link back to this thread, and in the process of editing my signature, added a mistake!
 
Squirrelnuts, not trying to armchair quarterback, just trying to learn from your experience as a shotgun+buck is my first choice for home protection.

Sounds like your shotgun ended the confrontation so I'm glad for you, but from what I read, only 1 single buck connected with either dog (and that was after she already was fleeing from the sound?).

How would performance of 00 buck, whether or not reduced-recoil be an issue for you? How would using slugs have been a benefit? Since you didn't have time to aim, a small spread of buck would seem to have a higher chance of hitting charging animals than un-aimed fire using slugs.
 
CWL,

No problem. Part of putting this up was for a learning experience for others and myself. I have always believed that your beliefs and values are the sum total of your life experiences.

The round that did connect had pitiful performance, so I switched to something with a lot more oompf behind it. If you look at the picture of the dogwood tree, that spread is only about 5" and that tree was 20-25 feet away, so that negated the idea of having multiple projectiles spray versus a single large projectile for me.

Here is one way I look at the switch. I used to carry a Glock 17 and Glock 26 and I would have dreams that I was in a shooting and 9mm simply wasn't enough. I switched my carry gun to a Glock 21SF (.45 ACP) and I have not had my "not enough" dream since then. I had nightmares after my shooting that I was still using my reduced recoil 00 buckshot (which I had in fact reloaded the Mossberg with) and it not being enough. I switched to the slugs, and I have not had that dream since then.

Perhaps my choice will switch back to a heavy load 00 buck as time passes. My current selection is based upon a mixture of poor performance (from the round that did connect) and an emotional response (fear from a dream). I realize that an emotional response is often the poorest reaction to any situation, and by all logical means I should probably be using a heavy load 00 buck, but my current selection is what keeps me from having nightmares about it and a lack of confidence in my selection.

WOOF!
 
Squirrelnuts,
That makes sense to me. I think confidence in yourself and in your tools is indeed part of the total defensive package.

Thank you for sharing!
 
Squirrelnuts,
First of all I'm glad everything turned out, nobody got hurt.
Now for a little nit picking about things you may have already come to realize. Always mount the shotgun to your shoulder. If you had time to take 4 poorly pointed shots with a pump action shotgun you surely had time to put it to your shoulder and take 2 well pointed shots. Train yourself to do so or seek out some training. Many good shotgun shooters can and will dismount the shotgun between shots at following pairs or even while shooting doubles at the skeet range.
Also realize that at 5 or 7 steps out the pattern will be no larger than your fist. A little farther out is where you have the edge with shot shells. In most cases it takes multiple pellet hits for a shot charge to do it's work whether shooting a duck, a dog, or a bad guy. There is sometimes the (golden BB) but don't count on it.
Don't discout the loads you were using, I think they are a very good bet. Likely copper plated to prevent deformation and retain energy, and pleasent to shoot. They just need to applied correctly.
 
I don't mean to be overly critical here, but we can all learn from your story that if you don't AIM your guns properly(even a shotgun!), round count goes up, effectiveness goes down, and the threat remains a threat for a longer time. Only hits count, and any perceived advantage of quickly letting off unguided shots does no more good that setting off firecrackers.

You might think that but I have observed it is often not true. When rounds start being fired people and animals react in unpredictable ways. In this example one dog ran and one dog stayed until hit. Simply shooting was sufficient to remove half of the threat. More often than not sending rounds down range will have some kind of favorable result for the shooter, especially if who/ what you are shooting at is not used to being shot at.

Being the first to fire in certain situations even when the round is not aimed properly gives the initiative to the shooter and put the target in reactive mode. When properly exploited this can make a big difference. There are risks of course but you might not have time to weigh them.
 
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