Mythbusters: snipe through scope

[TCB in TN]

Another thing that stuck out on the show last night was the whole using the same VC gun/scope/ and same gun CH used. First of all the gun the scope is sitting on matters NOTTA in this myth, only that they are using the proper scope. I would rather have seen them spend more money on scopes, second, unless I misread something CH used a

Winchester Model 70

which unless I am to tired to think correctly is a bolt gun, and I think what Jamie used was a Garand. It is late, and maybe I missed something. It was the same cal, but it wasn't the same gun. Not that it should have mattered at the range they were shooting, but he said they used the same gun and again I don't think he did. I know I am nit picking but anyway.

 

[Detritus]

but he said they used the same gun

watched the show twice and i did not here any mention of "using the same gun" with regard to Hathcock's weapon. the only "we're using the correct stuff" comment made with regard to the "shooting" rig, was in reference to the correct to mid-late '60s match grade 30-06 (M78??)

as for getting the correct rifle setup, how would they convince the production company to fork over the rather large amount of money or resources to acquire or even just borrow a 30-06 Pre-64 Model 70 built up as a Match rifle by or to the appropriate specs of the Marine Corps Armorers, plus correct Unertl scope?? (granted the scope is a little easier) as much as we'd like to see it, NOT gonna happen. Heck they couldn't get the company to foot the bill for that Remington "Vietnam Era" M40 that was shown in teh gunshop the first time this was tested.

Yes Sgt. Normandy (the police buddy) made sure to say that they had a period correct "target" weapon so to speak, even made comments that seem to say that pics exist showing the actual M-N from the originating incident. and that the rifle from tonight's show was chosen based on those.
But i do not beleive that any direct comment was made that BOTH rifles were correct.

also it is my personal oppinion that had there been resouces (scopes) for a further few shots being fired with the "match" ammo before progessing to the AP rounds that one of those would have likely made it into the dummy as well. my read of the whole thing is that the second shot may have grazed that steel block at the reticle and either started to tumble or simply shed a chunk of it mass before hitting the occular lens. If so, then with a clean pass through that portion of the scope, it is plausible that a rould would have been leathal.
Plus their comment of "the opponent is still a viable threat" (or similar) is BS. you get clipped THAT hard by a scope (nice deep circular ring around the dummy's right eye socket) and/or get THAT much trash thrown into your eye(s), you are NOT going to be "viable", least not for a long enough time for the lucky B#%$#@& that just trashed your scope to follow the sound of your thrashing and kill you where you bleed

 

[redneck2]

I have a friend that made a target for his 30-06 out of 1/2" steel plate and put it up at 100 yards. Set it up, made three shots, and thought he'd missed because the target didn't fall over.

All three had gone thru like a knife thru butter. This is soft point hunting ammo. If it can whiz thru 1/2" of solid steel, I'd hate to be behind a scope that gets whacked.

So, I shoot an elk or grizzly bear at 200 yards. I hit a rib bone going in, travel thru 24-30" of muscle, gristle, etc, punch thru another rib on the way out.......but it can't penetrate glass???

 

[nibb]

Well i think this story cames more from WW2 then from Vietnam. I think its possible. Maybe the new scopes are more sophisticated, but im sure you can put a bullet trough an old scope with a Mauser rifle.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

most of the scopes seemed to be a straight tube

What did I say?

I was watching that episode the other night and thinking to myself; "I sure hope I can find that quote I made about shooting through the straight type scopes".

i totally called it.

 

[Realbigo]

They Just redid it(again) using a PU scope, a M1 garand(instead of a Win Mod70) and a single AP round of 30.06 passed throught the scope, and they declared that "the viewers were right."

 

[expvideo]

1978. 280 yards. Standing deer.

.25-06 120gr I could only see the head. Bang and the deer falls over dead. No visible wound. I can only guess I hit it in the ear with no exit or un-noticeabe exit wound. No exit unlikely.

Any guesses?

My roommate in college killed a deer with no entry or exit wound. What happened was that the bullet missed the back of the neck by a millimeter or two and the shockwave severed the spinal cord or at least damaged it to the point of being fatal.

 

[UnclePete]

According to what I've read, Kari got her job with M5, based on her artistic ability, before the Mythbusters show began. So she's there because she works there and has some talent, not just because she's hot.

Yeah, right! Like she'd be on camera if she had a face like a pig's butt. I'm not complaining; love Kari, love Mythbusters, love these threads that never die.

 

[hksw]

The fact that Kari was there from the start, IMO, does play a significant fact that she is on the show. Her physical appearance certainly does help greatly in the popularity of the show, explioted very much by the show's producers, and is likely a factor in keeping her on (contract-wise) as a main character. It was likely a lucky turn of events of having a very nice looking individual on their staff when the cameras started rolling. That is part of TV. It does attract viewers and does help her career.

IMO, if she were at best average in appearance, she would likely still be there (if she chose to stick it out early on as oppose to some of the other early staff members). Possibly, they would have added additional more appealing staff for the show also.

 

[gvnwst]

They Just redid it(again) using a PU scope, a M1 garand(instead of a Win Mod70) and a single AP round of 30.06 passed throught the scope, and they declared that "the viewers were right."

Come on, i missed it again? Missed it the first time they redid it.....but hey, at least the emails did something, i don't know how they could try it with a modern scope for starters....

 

[JWarren]

They Just redid it(again) using a PU scope, a M1 garand(instead of a Win Mod70) and a single AP round of 30.06 passed throught the scope, and they declared that "the viewers were right."

Ever notice that they do a lot with a garand?

I suspect that the garand is one of thier personal guns.

That in itself is pretty cool.


-- John

 

[Rifleman 173]

If remember right, USMC snipers also used armor piercing rounds too. So if you couple an AP round with the lenses of a lousy commie scope, there is no doubt in my mind that Hathcock shot one through the other guy's scope. Mythbusters just got busted for not being accurate enough to do a proper re-creation.

 

[gvnwst]

I suspect that the garand is one of thier personal guns.

IIRC, jamie said it was his at one point....

 

[JohnKSa]

I've noticed that they are completely clueless about bullet construction & type. It's really hurt the results of several of their "tests" including this one.

I watched one show in the last week or so that had them shooting .45ACP ball into a medium to test penetration. They used it as a first test with the reasoning that if a big, slow bullet like the .45 penetrated all the way through then anything would. The result was that they got through-and-though penetration and stopped the test there. .45 ball is a serious penetrator compared to most any expanding handgun round and even compared to many expanding rifle rounds.

They didn't test expanding rounds at all even though the myth was self-defense related.

 

[Grassman]

Yeah.....that show is filmed in So.Cal. so certain firearms might be hard to come by in that California.

 

[RPCVYemen]

Yeah.....that show is filmed in So.Cal. so certain firearms might be hard to come by in that California.

Not exactly. They joke frequently that they have to go to a "secret" location to shoot gun segments - somewhere in Arizona.

My own sense after watching lot of their shows is that the guy with mustache (Jamie?) is actually pretty knowledgeable, and occasionally uses his personal guns on the shows.

Mike

 

[RPCVYemen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkIBAM_krWQ&feature=related

For those who care, here's the "Revisit" where they find the myth "plausible".

Mike