NC: "No Guns" BBQ Eatery gets Robbed

[Midwest]

NC: "No Guns" BBQ Eatery gets Robbed

A BBQ joint in North Carolina with a "No guns" sign gets robbed. Surely now, that never happens....There are some interesting ironies here, please read on.

The irony is that " the Pitt BBQ’s other location in Raleigh was where national gun control advocates Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly held their meeting to have a “dialogue with gun owners”… to which no gun owners were invited.”

Now why would Gabby and her tour have a “dialogue with gun owners” but no gun owners were invited? Is she just an concerned public figure? Or someone with an agenda?

I also find it interesting that the article flat out calls Gabby and friend "national gun control advocates" instead of just 'concerned public figures who just want people to be responsible with guns' (as the media often portrays Gabby).

Could I be safe in my assumption that perhaps Gabby and her 'tour' might have had some input into the 'Pitt's' anti-gun stance?

I wonder if the owners called Gabby and asked her why were they robbed and what went wrong. Golly, I guess the criminals were just disadvantaged because they could not read. Darned public school system.....

Perhaps the owners will come to their senses and are rethinking their no guns policy. But I am not holding my breath.........

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/21/robbers-ignore-no-weapons-sign-nc-restaurant-assau/


“The Pit BBQ was robbed at gunpoint? Wait, that’s not possible; The Pitt posted signs prohibiting guns. We all know that armed criminals will avoid places that prohibit guns, right?

You know, maybe Chipotle's, Jack In The Box and Starbucks should read this article.

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[Joe Demko]

So...if they had not had The Sign, no robbery would have occurred?

 

[jrdolall]

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o...if they had not had The Sign, no robbery would have occurred?

I don't know about that but it sure drips with irony. As usual these "no guns allowed" signs merely keep law abiding citizens away.

 

[Potatohead]

Reminds me of this: We have a great little homegrown, cajun seafood restaurant in town and all the cooks and wait staff that are men open carry. The owner emphasizes it. Theyre open late and dont want to get robbed. Its pretty cool eating your fried shrimp talking to the waiter about the 357 on his hip.

I kind of doubt theyll get robbed.

 

[Midwest]

The connection to Gabby and ..."their meeting to have a “dialogue with gun owners”… to which no gun owners were invited ” is also very telling. Sometimes you find a story within a story, as in this case. Actually this is four stories within an article.

1. Store with "No Guns" sign gets robbed.

2. Gabby attended another Pitt BBQ location.

3. She was to have a talk with gun owners, but no gun owners were invited. (I don't believe I have heard this particular story anywhere else).

4. Did Gabby influence the owners to put up "No Guns" signs?

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[CDW4ME]

Criminals apparently ignore no gun signs.

 

[Joe Demko]

Really, I'm not seeing a connection between any of those things, or much in the way of irony. Places with The Sign and places without The Sign both get robbed. The point of The Sign isn't to prevent robberies.

 

[1911 guy]

I'm just curious why she had a "dialogue with gun owners". Why not "dialogue with mentally defective and totally cognitively screwed" people? After all, that's who shot her. Millions of gun owners didn't.

 

[Potatohead]

Really, I'm not seeing a connection between any of those things, or much in the way of irony. Places with The Sign and places without The Sign both get robbed. The point of The Sign isn't to prevent robberies.

Dont you think a place is more likely to get robbed when guns are "banned" in that particular venue? I guess the stats matter more than what you or I think, but I dont see my little neighborhood seafood restaurant getting robbed anytime soon.(post4)

 

[rule303]

This happens time and time again. I'm surprised insurance companies aren't charging a premium to businesses that are "gun free zones".

 

[hso]

While the irony is not missed that an Anti 2A business owner had one of his businesses robbed at gunpoint the point that coincidence isn't causality must be remembered.

While we should ALL be thankful that none of the employees were seriously harmed when the gun wielding bad guys came in through the back door and put them on the floor at closing time we can still be amused that this robbery proves the point that we've made over and over again- Criminals don't care what signs you put on your business to keep law abiding people out because they're ... CRIMINALS!

 

[jrdolall]

or much in the way of irony

Irony is one of those words that is often misused and misunderstood. I think this event is ironic because the literal intent of a sign such as this is to keep ALL guns out of a business. Now obviously that doesn't happen as criminals tend to ignore signs. Very few businesses are really against guns but they want the general public to perceive them as looking out for their safety. The irony is that keeping law abiding patrons out doesn't do anything for safety. Maybe we should promote a sign that reads "People with bad intentions are not allowed to have guns on the premises". This situation is laughable because the sign implies that nobody can bring a gun into the business and then they are robbed by men with guns. It's laughable but not necessarily funny.

 

[Hometeached1]

Potatohead, if I'm ever in Alabama I'm stopping there to eat.

 

[Joe Demko]

The purpose of the sign is not to prevent robbery.

 

[CoalTrain49]

The sign

The sign has more to do with the owners perceived liability and what he/she thinks will draw more customers. Maybe the owner or corporation gets a break with their insurance if they have the sign. Robberies are no big deal these days, it's more like a withdrawal at the bank counter. Robbers walk in, pass a note, take some money and walk out. If you're stupid you flash a gun, you become an armed robber, cops get excited and your life expectancy goes down. We had a local bank here robbed by a man that showed a pistol awhile back. He fired a few shots on his way out. A sheriff dropped him in a parking lot about a block away. He wasn't doing real well when they airlifted him to a trauma center. I don't hear of a lot of shoot outs involving customers in businesses that get robbed. Banks used to have armed guards but they don't anymore. They just pass the cash, the robber gets a free video made and the police investigate. Insurance pays for the loss and the customer picks up the tab.

So the reality is the sign just makes people feel safer and keeps me from going in there. Not because I object to the sign, I just don't want to leave my gun in my truck when I go in. If someone wants to rob the business that's between the business owner and the robber. If they want to rob me, well that's personal.

 

[docsleepy]

So what WAS the purpose ?

To prevent staff and visitors from

Being scared? Fail
Being near firearms? Fail
Being near dangerous people? Fail

What exactly ISN'T ironic -- and downright hilarious -- about this farce?

 

[Beach Nut]

I'm sorry, I take issue with the title of this thread. The Pit is not a NC BBQ restaurant
proper, it is a yuppie wannabe restaurant that serves a facsimile pork product they
call BBQ. No real Eastern BBQ restaurant would have a no guns allowed sign on their
front doors. I have lived here my entire life and have never seen any of these signs
on a single BBQ restaurant in this state.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

This happens time and time again. I'm surprised insurance companies aren't charging a premium to businesses that are "gun free zones".

Insurance companies know risks. That is their bread and butter. If there was a higher risk for such signage, then you could bet premiums would increase. That premiums haven't increased is a telling clue.

I think this event is ironic because the literal intent of a sign such as this is to keep ALL guns out of a business. Now obviously that doesn't happen as criminals tend to ignore signs.

The only people that seem to believe this are non-business owning pro-gun people. If the business owner truly thought that a sign carried such power, they would put up "No Robbery" signs.

There is no sane business owner anywhere that believes a sign listing a rule is going to prevent a crime.

If pro-gun people believed signs worked so darned well, then why do we continuously seem people breaking the posted rules at gun ranges by pro-gun people?

I'm sorry, I take issue with the title of this thread. The Pit is not a NC BBQ restaurant
proper, it is a yuppie wannabe restaurant that serves a facsimile pork product they
call BBQ. No real Eastern BBQ restaurant would have a no guns allowed sign on their
front doors. I have lived here my entire life and have never seen any of these signs
on a single BBQ restaurant in this state.

That is because by your logic, it isn't a BBQ restaurant if it has such a sign, LOL. Your logic is tautologically flawed.

 

[ATLDave]

FWIW, what they're trying to prevent with these signs is not deliberate, targeted armed robbery. They're trying to prevent negligent discharge accidents. They're trying to prevent employee arguments from escalating to gun battles. They're trying to keep the two hothead customers who get angry at each other for wearing the wrong football teams' jerseys from getting violent. They're trying to prevent a Michael Dunn type from being "in reasonable fear of his life" from a black guy who doesn't smile at him.

The above-listed things, not armed robberies or mass shootings, are what they're aimed at. The business is calculating that the summed risk of the above listed incidents is greater than the summed risk of armed robberies and mass shootings. I don't know if that math is right. And that doesn't afford any weight of the right (or preference) of the customers to make their own choices about whether to be armed. I'm just saying that the sign was never supposed to prevent an armed robbery.

 

[Midwest]

I'm sorry, I take issue with the title of this thread. The Pit is not a NC BBQ restaurantproper, it is a yuppie wannabe restaurant that serves a facsimile pork product they call BBQ. No real Eastern BBQ restaurant would have a no guns allowed sign on their
front doors. I have lived here my entire life and have never seen any of these signs
on a single BBQ restaurant in this state.

That was the title of the article from the Washington Times. They call it a restaurant and an eatery.

"Robbers ignore ‘No Weapons’ sign at N.C. restaurant, assault employees at gunpoint"

'Police in North Carolina are looking for robbers who ignored a “No Weapons” sign at an eatery and brought firearms to their crime.'

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[mgmorden]

So what WAS the purpose ?

To prevent staff and visitors from

Being scared? Fail
Being near firearms? Fail
Being near dangerous people? Fail

What exactly ISN'T ironic -- and downright hilarious -- about this farce?

I think that's pretty much the point. To suggest that this sign CAUSED the robbery is just not logical. Criminals don't pay attention to the signs - or lack thereof.

What it does prove though is that from a criminal perspective, the sign has absolutely no effect. All it does is keep the legal gun owners from carrying.

 

[JellyJar]

[Snark]I see what happened.....The robbers came in the Back door where there was probably no No Guns Allowedsign.

I bet that's the fix. [/Snark]

( I wish the [Snark] thing actually worked )

 

[thomis]

I've been eating at this restaurant in Durham since it opened its doors. Its right across from a killer brewery. But I stopped eating there when they put the sign up. Its not just a "No Firearms Allowed" sign. Its a custom made sign that makes a bigger statement. Pi$$es me off.
I'm glad no one was hurt but Its hard for me to feel bad for them that they were robbed.

 

[kwguy]

A sign like that just means that a criminal knows that there is a higher probability of NOT getting shot by a customer while robbing the place. Political statements notwithstanding, if a crook sees such a sign, that can be a factor in the calculus of whether or not to try to rob a place while minimizing risk to themselves.

Such a sign may or may not INVITE a robbery, but such a sign does say that the chances of law abiding CCW patrons actually having a pistol in that place is lower than if such a sign were not posted.

 

[4thPointOfContact]

I'm with docsleepy, Joe, what was the purpose of the sign, then?