ND at the Cal Expo Gunshow...

[Nickotym]

OR it could have been a CCW badge!

There was also a nice and shiny badge right in front of that holster.

This could have been one of those infamous CCW badges being carried by someone who felt that he didn't need to follow the rules since he was such a stud he got a CCW. Too bad he doesn't know how we make fun of the CCW badges and those who wear them.


If it was a CCWer you will hear about it, if it was a cop you won't hear a word in the press.

 

[larry_minn]

Statistics are so much fun. Anyone can claim anything and if they look hard enought/fudge number prove whatever they want.
For starters lets ask a few questions. You say most LEO NDs are with Glocks......... Dumb question what is most common gun LEO's carry? Could that be a GLOCK? How much time is spent to transition Officers from (I realize this is dated) say a revolver to GLock? IIRC most were less then 4hrs for entire deptments and they spent most of time on how gun works/holster selection.
SO OFficers use to LONG 15+lb trigger pull and switch to shorter@6lb pull. Yep guns fault. Grip safety wouldn't help. IMO only helpful if you are looking down barrel to see if its loaded and pull the trigger.
I recall one trainer who would take a Baretta M9 type gun and (pretend) to load a live rd to someone who demands drop safety and offers them $5-10 if he can point the gun at their knee and decock the gun 10x. (after mentioing the To be fair VERY few cases where guns have actually gone off) Nobody would take his money.
I still have my 1911. Carried it short while and not comfortable with cocked/locked. Went with S&W DA/SA auto. Now Glock. I never carried the S&W with safety on and know few who did. Just used it as decocker.

 

[WT]

I agree with cxm's opinion on Glocks. They are less forgiving than other pistols.

Some may remember The Washington Post stories back in November 1999 dealing with the many negligent/accidental/unintentional bangs that Washington PD had. Something like 100 in a short period of time.

Blame it on the training or the IQ of the officer, phase of the moon or whatever, the Glock could be made better if it incorporated a thumb safety ala' 1911.

 

[Tim L]

Hmm, wonder what holster he was using. The ND could have been caused by something other than his finger, knife, or tie wrap. In a situation like this the trigger safety wouldn't work.

 

[LightningLink]

The story is that he had a zip-tie around his gun (I'm not sure where or why it was loaded and zip-tied) and that he went to cut it off with a pocketknife. I don't know if he hit the trigger with the knife or if something else occurred.

How can someone zip-tie a loaded gun? Not only a Glock, but any loaded gun?

I've always seen them zip-tied one of two ways:

1) Pistol is cleared, zip-tie is run through the barrel and out the ejection port. Result: cannot possibly chamber a round.

2) Pistol is cleared, trigger is pulled & held and the trigger is zip-tied back against the frame (or as far as it can travel). Result: although a round could be chambered, the disconnector should prevent any sort of firing until the trigger is reset.

This isn't meant to question the authenticity of the story, I'm more curious if it's actually possible to zip-tie a loaded pistol. Maybe something with an exposed hammer, could be decocked while chambered, but then you'd still have to do a long DA pull or cock the thing before you could fire.

LL

 

[c_yeager]

I think the high rate of Glock NDs has a lot more to do with WHO is issued Glocks rather than the actual pistol itself.

In other words if every cop in the country was issued Model 19 wheelies then the SW MDL 19 would have the highest rate of NDs in this country. There are just simply more Glocks in more (dubiously trained) people's hands than any other gun in production.

Case in point, the idiot in the story at the start of this thread was a walking accident with ANY firearm. It happened to be a Glock because thats what this idiot was given to carry. A guy this dense could just as easily have managed to screw up with ANY model of firearm.

 

[esheato]

The badge was distinctly in a star shape. I'm not up on badges, but I believe he was an officer of the law. The holster appeared to be black and of a belt slide configuration.

Ed

 

[Psssniper]

"Needless to say, we left right after that. "

Why??

 

[stevelyn]

NDs with Glocks are due to the design flaw between the ears of the shooter rather than the pistol. Let's not forget the "finger off the trigger" rule and whose responsibility it is to obey it.