Need to know where to find state CPL/CCP laws.

[SavageManAntonio]

I live in upstate NY. I will be taking a class at the end of this week to apply for Arizona, Florida and Utah out-of-state resident permits. Also, there is a sheriff in Centre County, PA (Denny Nau) that allows out-of-state residents to receive PA permits. I will apply the next time through that area. This is the only way I will be able to travel while carrying into some of the states I plan to visit.

I have the Traveler's Guide to Firearm Laws of the Fifty States from the NRA and a print-out from handgunlaw.us to understand reciprocity. I hope I can trust these but I am unsure.

I am also little unsure about what laws are in some of the states, such as carrying into establishments that serve alcohol or carry in local parks, etc.

Is there a resource, online or otherwise to present local laws - or do I need to contact local sheriffs and police departments to check in the areas I plan to visit?

 

[NavyLCDR]

The only way to know for sure what the real statute says is to google Arizona statutes, for example, and pick the link to the state's published statutes online from the state's government website. Then you will have to find the applicable section of code that applies.

 

[Frank Ettin]

A good place to start is Handgunlaw.us. Each State's page (which you get by clicking on the State in the map) has links to available State sites with laws and regulations.

 

[hermannr]

I second www.hangunlaw.us for concealed carry information. I think their stuff is the most up to day.

For Open Carry information the best place is www.opencarry.org. You can go to the individual state forum on OCDO or you cann add /(two letter state abbreviation).html that is: for AZ www.opencarry.org/az.html

 

[brickeyee]

You need to keep in mind that statute law is only part of the picture.

Common (case) law is just as important.

Bloomfield Press http://www.bloomfieldpress.com/ is a good place t look around.

 

[Sam1911]

Also, there is a sheriff in Centre County, PA (Denny Nau) that allows out-of-state residents to receive PA permits.

He's not the only one, but he's for sure the best known!

I have the Traveler's Guide to Firearm Laws of the Fifty States from the NRA and a print-out from handgunlaw.us to understand reciprocity. I hope I can trust these but I am unsure.

If you take the time to read the whole page of each state you plan to visit, over at www.handgunlaw.us, you'll notice they give you the citation (and usually a link) for the state law that they're referencing.

 

[SavageManAntonio]

I sure appreciate the comments. It seems I have not been far off. The two resources I mentioned are supported by others and I will spend some time looking around online at the other places mentioned. My next trip is to Virginia. So it seems I will be able to carry in PA and VA on the way (but of course not in MD ).

I sure wish the reciprocity bill will be passed to help make some of this go away!

 

[Sam1911]

but of course not in MD

No, not yet. But coming soon!

 

[mdauben]

I have the Traveler's Guide to Firearm Laws of the Fifty States from the NRA and a print-out from handgunlaw.us to understand reciprocity.

Alabama actually publishes a list of the states which honor their concealed carry permit on the official state website. You might want to check on that resourse for the states you are planning to apply for.

 

[SavageManAntonio]

No, not yet. But coming soon!

Are you referring to the reciprocity bill introduced in Congress or a MD statute change?

 

[Sam1911]

Are you referring to the reciprocity bill introduced in Congress or a MD statute change?

The decision forthcoming (probably in January) from the 4th District court regarding striking down MD's the "Good and Sufficient" requirement, thus making them a "Shall Issue" state.

 

[SavageManAntonio]

The decision forthcoming (probably in January) from the 4th District court regarding striking down MD's the "Good and Sufficient" requirement, thus making them a "Shall Issue" state.

So, please help me understand. If MD becomes a "shall issue" state then they have to either:
1. Agree to recognize one of the state permits I would possess in order for me to be able to carry there or;
2. Be forced by the reciprocity law, if it passes in congress
Correct?

 

[Sam1911]

So, please help me understand. If MD becomes a "shall issue" state then they have to either:
1. Agree to recognize one of the state permits I would possess in order for me to be able to carry there or;

No. Congress doesn't force states to recognize (almost) any credentials issued by another state. Drivers licenses, engineers licenses, etc. are all either recognized/reciprocated by interstate agreements or they are not recognized at all.

2. Be forced by the reciprocity law, if it passes in congress
Correct?

If a reciprocity law ever passes Congress and gets signed into law, it would either negate all such concerns, or it would have to dictate how they'll be handled. S.2188, which is probably the one you're thinking of would make any state that issues a permit recognize the permit of any other state -- but MD already issues permits (just very few) so that reciprocity act would still apply the same way.

But rather than waiting for that miraculous and likely far off day, you'll (probably, assuming all goes correctly) be able to get your MD permit soon, regardless of what other states' permits they do or don't recognize.

 

[GarySTL]

At one time Denny Nau would only issue if you sent a copy of your state CCW permit if they issued them. Don't know if that's changed, but if it hasn't, you'll not get a PA permit without a NY permit.

 

[Sam1911]

At one time Denny Nau would only issue if you sent a copy of your state CCW permit if they issued them. Don't know if that's changed, but if it hasn't, you'll not get a PA permit without a NY permit.

PA law says you must hold a permit from your state if your state issues them.

That being said, he once issued me one based on my college dorm room address (non-resident student), so he's about as accomodating as the law will allow.

 

[SavageManAntonio]

At one time Denny Nau would only issue if you sent a copy of your state CCW permit if they issued them. Don't know if that's changed, but if it hasn't, you'll not get a PA permit without a NY permit.

I completely understand this. I have a NY license as a NY resident. I called Denny Nau's office yesterday. A license, state issued pistol permit and application is required - but in-person because they require an electronic signature in their system.

So, in the long term the plan is for me to get AZ, FL, UT and PA out-of-state resident permits. Of course I have checked to see where each is recognized under reciprocity agreements.

I still don't understand how MD would have to issue a permit for out-of-state residents (I am in NY) based on previous comments......I only see that they might have to recognize one of the others I possess if the bill passes in congress (S2188).

 

[Sam1911]

I still don't understand how MD would have to issue a permit for out-of-state residents (I am in NY) based on previous comments......I only see that they might have to recognize one of the others I possess if the bill passes in congress (S2188).

MD's permit is not split into resident and nonresident permits, from what I've been told by friends in MSI. It is simply a permit, period, for anyone. Unless something changes, if you fill out the form, submit what they require, they will have to issue you a permit unless they can prove why they should not.

Reciprocity will be a fight for another day, though.

 

[SavageManAntonio]

Thank you all for your kind responses. I will let you know if the process works out (or has kinks in it) in the coming months.

 

[mgkdrgn]

No, not yet. But coming soon!

I ain't heard no fat lady! ;-)

 

[mortablunt]

http://handgunlaw.us/

All solved.

 

[brickeyee]

Bloomfield Press

http://www.gunlaws.com/index.htm

Get the states you carry in.

Refs to common (case) law are included.

Worth every penny.