leathermanwave
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How good is the quality of a nef pardner pump. As far as I can tell it is almost exactly a 870 in working parts. What is a good deal for one.
Nef pardner pump quality
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The search feature will turn up several threads on this topic. Some will say "buy American!" while some will say "top-notch gun, buy it!"
Consensus is that it is a decent gun, comparable to a new 870, but you're supporting the Red Army by buying it so if you don't mind buying a Chinese copy of an American product it will function fine.
I'm in the "either buy it or buy a used 870" camp, personally. The older 870s seem to be nicer overall than the current offerings, and it's a piece of history. $169.99 seems to be a common 'sale' price for the NEF, and you'll pay that for one of the nicer old 870s, easily. I'm keeping an eye out for an especially nice 2-3/4" 870 for the right price, but I've almost bought the NEF about a half dozen times... After handling a 1960's era Wingmaster and looking at the wood I decided I'd prefer that route but if it's new ya want...
There ya go, clear as mud.
gp911
Consensus is that it is a decent gun, comparable to a new 870, but you're supporting the Red Army by buying it so if you don't mind buying a Chinese copy of an American product it will function fine.
I'm in the "either buy it or buy a used 870" camp, personally. The older 870s seem to be nicer overall than the current offerings, and it's a piece of history. $169.99 seems to be a common 'sale' price for the NEF, and you'll pay that for one of the nicer old 870s, easily. I'm keeping an eye out for an especially nice 2-3/4" 870 for the right price, but I've almost bought the NEF about a half dozen times... After handling a 1960's era Wingmaster and looking at the wood I decided I'd prefer that route but if it's new ya want...
There ya go, clear as mud.
gp911
Hawk
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I thought I might make it through the day without getting confused but those hopes are now shattered.
Cerebus Capital Management -> Remington -> Marlin -> H&R -> NEF
More or less, right? Maybe not but the websites seem connected.
If so, Remington's division's division is importing a Chinese copy of a Remington 870.
Isn't this what my marketing prof used to call "whizzing in one's own soup"?
Just wonderin'
Cerebus Capital Management -> Remington -> Marlin -> H&R -> NEF
More or less, right? Maybe not but the websites seem connected.
If so, Remington's division's division is importing a Chinese copy of a Remington 870.
Isn't this what my marketing prof used to call "whizzing in one's own soup"?
Just wonderin'
ImARugerFan
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I think they're really quite nice for the money. Any minute though somebody will come in here and bash on them for no reason other than that they are made in China. I love my wingmasters, but the express is just a tool, and NEF has proven they can make the same tool for less.
MAX100
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Why does someone always have to being up the China argument when someone wants to know about this shotgun.
If not supporting the Red Army is your quest don't support US companies who give their money to the Red Army.
Cerberus Capital Management = Remington, Bushmaster, Marlin, NEF, H&R
Did I miss any.
The Pardner Pump is built like a Tank and has a thick hard High Carbon steel receiver. Some of them have actions that are a little rough like some new 870 shotguns but can be easily smoothed out. All 870 accessories will fit them but some may need a little modifying to fit. The PP is a steal of a deal. Also look at the Hawk 982 with ghost ring sights it is the same shotgun with the same price tag but with a different style receiver. Both PP and the 982 are made by Norinco.
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If not supporting the Red Army is your quest don't support US companies who give their money to the Red Army.
Cerberus Capital Management = Remington, Bushmaster, Marlin, NEF, H&R
Did I miss any.
The Pardner Pump is built like a Tank and has a thick hard High Carbon steel receiver. Some of them have actions that are a little rough like some new 870 shotguns but can be easily smoothed out. All 870 accessories will fit them but some may need a little modifying to fit. The PP is a steal of a deal. Also look at the Hawk 982 with ghost ring sights it is the same shotgun with the same price tag but with a different style receiver. Both PP and the 982 are made by Norinco.
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Dave McCracken
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Get a used 870. Remington isn't going away any time soon. Parts and aftermarket goodies will be around for the next century or so.
The 870's rep for reliability and durability is legend. A copy made elsewhere by someone else may not have those qualities....
The 870's rep for reliability and durability is legend. A copy made elsewhere by someone else may not have those qualities....
rbernie
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I can buy a clean Express 870 for about the same price as a new NEF. I would rather have the 870 than something that is not as much of a known quantity.
I also happen to prefer to not buy a Chinese import if I can find a suitable alternative. It's funny - everyone bitched when WalMart started selling basic 870s for a song, but call it a Chinese import and people will be more than happy to shill it.
Go figure.
I also happen to prefer to not buy a Chinese import if I can find a suitable alternative. It's funny - everyone bitched when WalMart started selling basic 870s for a song, but call it a Chinese import and people will be more than happy to shill it.
Go figure.
coyotehitman
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Buy American.....I bet the 870 will be made in Turkey someday, get it while you can.
oletymer
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You have to admire Max100, no one loves chinese shotguns more than Max. Now from what I have seen with the few examples I have looked at they are not in the same league with the 870 and Mossburg series.
MAX100
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You have to admire oletymer for trying but he has basically no experience with the Norinco shotguns by his own admitting. He looks at a gun and then gives his opinion on it without ever trying it out.
Being a dealer, I have seen and fired more Mossbergs, Remingtons, Norincos and many different guns than most will in two lifetimes. I have several new 870 Express and the Norinco 982 shotguns with Ghost Rings sights right hear on the racks to compare.
I don't give my opinion of a gun based on where it is made only how it operates in the field.
Get some experience and come back and you will have something intelligent to say hopefully without trying to throwing personal attacks.
GC
Being a dealer, I have seen and fired more Mossbergs, Remingtons, Norincos and many different guns than most will in two lifetimes. I have several new 870 Express and the Norinco 982 shotguns with Ghost Rings sights right hear on the racks to compare.
I don't give my opinion of a gun based on where it is made only how it operates in the field.
Get some experience and come back and you will have something intelligent to say hopefully without trying to throwing personal attacks.
GC
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Blue Brick
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Can’t we all just get along and buy Mossbergs instead?
ohioarmedneutrality
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I have a Pardner Pump. It feels very solid. Have only fired about 30 shells, but no problems at all. Can't beat the price. Why not?
I have a Pardner Pump 20 ga, I bought it as a beater/heavy brush gun.... as a shooter it performs VERY well..... but......
the cycling of shells leaves MUCH to be desired... i can never get it to cycle consistently.. I'm sure it's just an adjustment of some kind but I haven't taken the time to figure it out. If anyone has any ideas please post em. (no "you got what you paid for" please) btw, it was $149. 2 yrs ago
the cycling of shells leaves MUCH to be desired... i can never get it to cycle consistently.. I'm sure it's just an adjustment of some kind but I haven't taken the time to figure it out. If anyone has any ideas please post em. (no "you got what you paid for" please) btw, it was $149. 2 yrs ago
MAX100
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Not enough info to go on. Go into some detail. You could just be short stroking it.
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George Hill
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They are not bad at all for the money, but you get what you pay for.
We sell a ton of them and rarely ever have any come back with any issues.
We sell a ton of them and rarely ever have any come back with any issues.
MAX100
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Some of the many 870 fans on THR have a real problem with these shotguns or anyone who says anything good about them. So look out.
I like to hear a good honest experienced opinion on these Norinco made shotguns, good or bad, that is not clouded by Remington bias or ones political views.
GC
556A2
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Its not a being biased. You are expecting everyone to claim how great a Chinese knock-off of the most popular American pump-action shotgun is. No one is debating the Norincos are bad shotguns, but we are debating the questionable quality of Chinese manufacturing of late.
Ghost rings, and metal trigger guards do not dictate how well a shotgun is going to perform with 200,000 shells through it. The Remington 870 didn't get to be so popular because of Remington's marketing, but because it has stood the test of time. The Norinco no matter how well you want to sugarcoat it, is nothing more than a ripped off design. I would rather buy an American design made in an American factory than a Chinese knock-off. Also, there are many of us that do try to not buy Chinese products. I really do not like China's Communist government, nor its lack of human rights.
As I said earlier, the Norinco is probably a good shotgun. Just don't say its "better" than an 870. It simply doesn't have the track record of the 870 which speaks much louder than metal trigger guards, and ghost rings.
MAX100
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When you see one of these threads posted you make the decision to open it and make a post knowing that you have nothing to add to it but your political view. That is disrupting the thread.
I simple don't ever give my political views when I rate firearms. The one who posted this thread ask for an experienced opinion of the Pardner Pump shotguns and you and others go off on a tangent about China and how they stoled the 870 design. If you know nothing about the Norinco made 870 copies, which by your post you don't, why do you disrupt the thread by giving your political opinion. You never see me disrupting threads with my political opinions.
Don't take my opinion on firearms so personal.
This guy wants to know if this gun is good or not, plain and simple, not hard to understand.
GC
I simple don't ever give my political views when I rate firearms. The one who posted this thread ask for an experienced opinion of the Pardner Pump shotguns and you and others go off on a tangent about China and how they stoled the 870 design. If you know nothing about the Norinco made 870 copies, which by your post you don't, why do you disrupt the thread by giving your political opinion. You never see me disrupting threads with my political opinions.
Don't take my opinion on firearms so personal.
This guy wants to know if this gun is good or not, plain and simple, not hard to understand.
GC
rbernie
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MAX, you seem to be missing the point. It's not about politics - it's about how well the Chinese copy will hold up over time. Since I can get 200k rounds out of an 870, and I can buy a lightly-used 870 for the same price as the NEF, what would compel me to buy the NEF?
Tomac
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A few years ago I picked up a couple of the Norinco Hawk 870 clones as starter/beater shotguns for my teenaged son & his best friend figuring they were cheap and if they break then no big loss. Well, fast-forward to the present and after lots of hard use w/everything from magnum slugs & buck to the cheap WallyWorld stuff my 870P's would choke on they've been 100%. Yeah, they look like crap (so not much change from when I first bought them 
) but darned if they haven't been completely reliable and able to take punishment. I have recently picked up an NED Pardner Pump Protector for myself and w/limited shooting to date it's been 100% as well.
Tomac
All I've added is a 4-shot sidesaddle, fiber optic bead, +2 mag tube extension (now 7+1), Laserlyte rail mount & a TLR-1 taclight (which has been moved to directly under the bbl since this pic was taken):
) but darned if they haven't been completely reliable and able to take punishment. I have recently picked up an NED Pardner Pump Protector for myself and w/limited shooting to date it's been 100% as well.Tomac
All I've added is a 4-shot sidesaddle, fiber optic bead, +2 mag tube extension (now 7+1), Laserlyte rail mount & a TLR-1 taclight (which has been moved to directly under the bbl since this pic was taken):
ImARugerFan
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And the exact same parts will fit in your NEF clone. I picked one up for my Dad per his request for a cheap pump shotgun. I guess if you stumble on a like NIB 870 for $150 then sure, get the 870. Otherwise you will not be disappointed in that NEF. It's a decent gun for the $$$. Nothing more, nothing less. It all depends on what you're going to use it for. Once a year? Leave it in a closet or a truck? Then get the cheap one. Hunt with it weekly.... then I would consider something a bit better, but I wouldn't get an 870 express either in that case.
rbernie
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Maybe because you're misunderstanding the message? Maybe the message is, "Buy what you can afford and which is of the highest KNOWN quality".
Given that there is no surrogate for an NEF single-shot, most of us will buy it for what it is. If it breaks (which, frankly, my local gunshop has seen more than a few times, usually due to soft metal or extractor issues), we shrug and accept that risk as a function of getting an inexpensive single-shot with no other peer in its price range.
Given that the NEF pump is a copy of the 870, most of us will buy the 870 since it has DECADES more pedigree behind it.
I have nothing against a ChiCom shotgun, by itself. But it's a false value to spend as much for an NEF pump as I would for a low-miles 870 when I know how the 870 was made and what it can do, and when I cannot say the same for the NEF pump.
Yesterday, I went to Academy Sports and my local gunshops and looked at shotguns. The NEF pump at Academy was $180 + tax. A low-miles 870 Express Magnum at the gunshop was $190 + tax. Even taking the potential quality control issue with ChiCom goods (lack of QA/QC relative to domestic manufacture) and setting it aside, the 870 represented a better value due to its superior fit-n-finish (and only a comparison with an NEF pump could make that true) and because it had features such as a vent rib that the NEF lacked.
That's the message. I do not dislike the NEF. I just think that, in the long run, I can do better with an 870.
Hawk
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Unless I miss my guess the single shots were made in Gardner MA. As of 4/7, Gardner is getting "consolidated" according to the "news" on H&R's site - don't know what that means for what was domestic production.
Personally, I was less bagging on Norc than wondering out loud about Remington's marketing plan with a stone clone - one would almost expect an import to be "tweaked" to not compete directly with an existing product now that it's all one big happy family.
Not diluting one's own market share is something I've wondered about since Robert Townsend's remarks about Avis not floating an "economy" brand (in Up the Organization). Of course, avoiding self-inflicted wounds sometimes backfires as anyone that remembers the IBM PC Jr ("Peanut") will attest.
Not the first time Remington's marketing has baffled me and surely won't be the last.
But... You're wondering why people would differentiate between an imported clone and a domestically produced break-top? Because one's imported and the other isn't would be a fair guess.
At least as of 2006, ATF figures showed H&R1871 producing 87K shotguns and 68K rifles domestically.
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