New AWB in the near future?

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A local sporting goods outlet is currently advertising 6 position AR stocks and high cap pistol mags with a large ad in the local paper saying 'get 'em while you still can'.

Even with apparent SCOTUS 2A support do you think a new federal AWB could really be just around the corner?
 
They've pretty much been saying that since 4 days after the last one expired.

There are some here who will tell you that it's inevitable in 2009. Many of those same people are the ones who said Nancy Pelosi would push through a new ban before even sitting down to lead her first session. Some of them will point at HR1022 as proof that it is right around the corner despite the fact that bill hasn't budged in well over a year.

I'd chalk the ad up to a little fearmongering to bolster sales. While it's good to be vilgilant, a lot of people seem to be cashing in on the hype.

Now, before the Chicken Littles jump all over me again, let me say that I have no doubt another bill will be introduced. I just think it is too early to accurately predict how successful it might be.
 
Some of them will point at HR1022 as proof that it is right around the corner despite the fact that bill hasn't budged in well over a year.

On one hand, I want to say that this has to do with congress knowing that Bush won't sign it (after all, he didn't renew the last one even after promising to during his campaign).

On the other hand, congress has pushed through plenty of things knowing full well that Bush won't sign them, so I have to be skeptical of my own theory.

I'm talking to myself again aren't I. ?? Darn.
 
On one hand, I want to say that this has to do with congress knowing that Bush won't sign it (after all, he didn't renew the last one even after promising to during his campaign).
He wasn't given the option to, congress never passed any legislation to on to him.


Anyway the short of it is, its scare tactics to sell rifles.
 
New AWB in the near future?

Yes. ATF will begin door to door searches without warrants January 1st 2009. Even mentioning a gun after that date will make you a felon. Bullets will no longer be produced. Holsters will be burned. gunsafes will be outlawed. religion will be banned. people will be arrested for wearing the wrong t-shirt. ford will make a car with a breathalizer that instantly detects your party affiliation, any non-Democrat will be locked in the car until ATF can detain them.

/sarcasm


I don't think there will be a ban for one clear reason: There are way too many corporations making way too much money on semiautomatic firearms. If a ban ever looks like it has a chance of passing, expect these corporations to act with vigor.

Besides, don't corporations run the government anyway?
 
There are way too many corporations making way too much money on semiautomatic firearms. If a ban ever looks like it has a chance of passing, expect these corporations to act with vigor.
As much as the brady group would like for people to believe that the firearms industry is some huge unstoppable spending force, its really quite small. I seem to recall someone here being nice enough to compile the numbers once and found that the gun lobby didn't hold a candle to the all powerful drywall lobby.

I believe we are the reason that a gun ban is not possible at the current time. People want firearms for self defense. They've seen what happens with katrina, they'll still a little scared from 9/11, they've been able to read about gun control and get both sides of the story thanks to the internet, concealed carry is through the roof. S&W is only worth 223 million, ruger 156. At least Olin weighs in at 1.6B. Compared to verizon at 107B, microsoft at 266B and countless others its easy to see that the gun business just doesn't have the kind of pull real money makers have. Its all up to us :D
 
I think the new AWB is set to go into effect 2 days before the earth bursts into flames from global warming.
Scare tactics are a good way to sell products.
 
the last one barely passed in a time where guns were the biggest issue.

Now, we're in a time where gun control measures like an AWB are rather languished idiot stunts that lose votes.

The new one has been dead for two years, during the time that the dems got the house and way before the democratic presidential takeover conspiracy crap turned up.

Even if it pops up, it may be a big 'lose-lose alot' situation; either it will pass and cause a big voter loss, or it will fail and still cause voter loss because of the fact that they actually tried to pass it.

...just howI see it, at least
 
Both Senators Klinton and Hussein-Obama have promised another gun ban. It will be MUCH MORE INCLUSIVE next time.

Senator McCain is NOT your friend. He'll stab gun owners in the back at the first opportunity. What that means is that given the first major shooting incident, Senator McCain will find it in his conscience to support the "reasonable restriction" du jour.

Just my opinion....
 
GW Bush said that he WOULD SIGN an AW BAN if Congress gave it to him! FACT! Check it out. Check out the other things when it comes to his policies.

I do NOT trust and loathe the 3 front runners and NOT even the so called gun friend. We are NOT allowed to say names but the R one is NOT your gun friend. READ his history and what he was for back then and would be FOR again... NOT only in GUN issues but in ALL other issues - national and foreign policies! I used to RESPECT one of them to a degree many years ago and thanked him for his service but NO more.

GUN issues... I think that we are SCREWED now and will be in the FUTURE... wait and see. I think that we are SCREWED in so MANY issues!

http://www.lneilsmith.org/lns_lever.html

http://www.lneilsmith.org/whyguns.html

Read this and THINK about the gun issues and OTHER issues when it comes to the AW Ban and any other BAN!

Think about those Pat Acts and the continued shredding of the Constitution even when it comes to your own President Bush and his ILK (BOTH parties!) who says it is nothing but a G. D. piece of paper! Conservative? Oh my aching butt!

Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

by L. Neil Smith
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Over the past 30 years, I've been paid to write almost two million words, every one of which, sooner or later, came back to the issue of guns and gun-ownership. Naturally, I've thought about the issue a lot, and it has always determined the way I vote.

People accuse me of being a single-issue writer, a single- issue thinker, and a single- issue voter, but it isn't true. What I've chosen, in a world where there's never enough time and energy, is to focus on the one political issue which most clearly and unmistakably demonstrates what any politician -- or political philosophy -- is made of, right down to the creamy liquid center.

Make no mistake: all politicians -- even those ostensibly on the side of guns and gun ownership -- hate the issue and anyone, like me, who insists on bringing it up. They hate it because it's an X-ray machine. It's a Vulcan mind-meld. It's the ultimate test to which any politician -- or political philosophy -- can be put.

If a politician isn't perfectly comfortable with the idea of his average constituent, any man, woman, or responsible child, walking into a hardware store and paying cash -- for any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- without producing ID or signing one scrap of paper, he isn't your friend no matter what he tells you.

If he isn't genuinely enthusiastic about his average constituent stuffing that weapon into a purse or pocket or tucking it under a coat and walking home without asking anybody's permission, he's a four-flusher, no matter what he claims.

What his attitude -- toward your ownership and use of weapons -- conveys is his real attitude about you. And if he doesn't trust you, then why in the name of John Moses Browning should you trust him?

If he doesn't want you to have the means of defending your life, do you want him in a position to control it?

If he makes excuses about obeying a law he's sworn to uphold and defend -- the highest law of the land, the Bill of Rights -- do you want to entrust him with anything?

If he ignores you, sneers at you, complains about you, or defames you, if he calls you names only he thinks are evil -- like "Constitutionalist" -- when you insist that he account for himself, hasn't he betrayed his oath, isn't he unfit to hold office, and doesn't he really belong in jail?

Sure, these are all leading questions. They're the questions that led me to the issue of guns and gun ownership as the clearest and most unmistakable demonstration of what any given politician -- or political philosophy -- is really made of.

He may lecture you about the dangerous weirdos out there who shouldn't have a gun -- but what does that have to do with you? Why in the name of John Moses Browning should you be made to suffer for the misdeeds of others? Didn't you lay aside the infantile notion of group punishment when you left public school -- or the military? Isn't it an essentially European notion, anyway -- Prussian, maybe -- and certainly not what America was supposed to be all about?

And if there are dangerous weirdos out there, does it make sense to deprive you of the means of protecting yourself from them? Forget about those other people, those dangerous weirdos, this is about you, and it has been, all along.

Try it yourself: if a politician won't trust you, why should you trust him? If he's a man -- and you're not -- what does his lack of trust tell you about his real attitude toward women? If "he" happens to be a woman, what makes her so perverse that she's eager to render her fellow women helpless on the mean and seedy streets her policies helped create? Should you believe her when she says she wants to help you by imposing some infantile group health care program on you at the point of the kind of gun she doesn't want you to have?

On the other hand -- or the other party -- should you believe anything politicians say who claim they stand for freedom, but drag their feet and make excuses about repealing limits on your right to own and carry weapons? What does this tell you about their real motives for ignoring voters and ramming through one infantile group trade agreement after another with other countries?

Makes voting simpler, doesn't it? You don't have to study every issue -- health care, international trade -- all you have to do is use this X-ray machine, this Vulcan mind-meld, to get beyond their empty words and find out how politicians really feel. About you. And that, of course, is why they hate it.

And that's why I'm accused of being a single-issue writer, thinker, and voter.

But it isn't true, is it?

Permission to redistribute this article is herewith granted by the author -- provided that it is reproduced unedited, in its entirety, and appropriate credit given.

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Sincerely,

Catherine
 
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McCain voted against the AWB in congress TWICE. His official position on his website opposes it.
 
The good news is that the 'Ds' have been taking 'R' seats by running pro-gun conservative Democrats. The gun issue has been a losers and I don't expect to see a new Ban.

Ammo restriction, on the other hand, seems to be the new strategy. I had a well read anti-gun colleague point out to me the the Constitution protect the right to 'Keep and Bear Arms" but says nothing about ammunition, and that even in the 18th century, it was understood that 'Arms and Ammunition' were separate items. I guess we know what they are thinking.
 
I remember that, GunTech.

During the last congress elections, I was looking through American Rifleman, and in an amazing (to me) number of cases, the D candidate had a better rating than the R.
 
Yo, keep the dems/repubs out of this thread or else it will be locked.

My comment about the firearms corporations is simple. How many AR15s were in the public before the last AWB? How many now? The companies making AR15s, making parts for them, importing AKs, making parts for them, producing/importing bullets, et al. All of these companies stand to lose if an AWB passes. I really believe that if the new AWB has a chance, these aforementioned companies, as well as the ever-growing gun culture will make a HUGE stink up every politician/lobbyists nose. Will it be enough? Only time will tell.

OTOH, '86 ammendment happened without the common voter/firearms company even knowing about it... so we'll just have to see.

I'll feel a lot better/worse pending the June revelation.

Guntech - seeing the amounts of state level bills requiring ammunition serialization, I completely agree with you there. If there was ever a reason to start reloading, now is the time:
cost - you can save $$$
serialization - you can reuse your cases 30 something times
bulk quantities - you can stock up now, prices are only going up.
 
expect new REPUBLICAN bill later this year

According to The Hill, the McCarthy bill is floundering.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gun-control-backers-not-bold-on-2009-2008-05-20.html

Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), the sponsor of legislation that would reinstate the expired federal assault weapons ban, dismissed the idea that her bill might pass in the 111th Congress.

“It’s a pro-gun House, a pro-gun Senate and [Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) or Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.)] won’t want to deal with it,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy stressed that she is not giving up on reauthorizing the weapons ban that sunsetted in 2004, but also made clear she is not holding her breath.

However:
Ros-Lehtinen is not a co-sponsor of McCarthy’s bill, but will back a GOP alternative that is expected to be introduced by Rep. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) later this year.
 
One thing that now helps us IMMENSELY is that more gun owners now own "assault weapons" (as defined by H.R.1022) as hunt. And that is not even counting the tens of millions more who would be affected by magazine capacity restrictions. And every year, another half million or more "assault weapons" are sold to American gun owners.

My generation (Generation X) is now in the peak of our political power, and "assault weapons" are the favorite guns of gun-owning Gen-X'ers and Gen-Y'ers. The walnut-and-blued-steel generation is passing off the scene, bolt-action deer rifles and pump shotguns are now coming with protruding handgrips and M4-style adjustable length stocks, and those trends will only accelerate.

Back in 1994, the AWB was sold to gullible political elites as a ban on "fringe" guns that gun owners didn't really care about---not true, but it was at least believeable then. Today, "assault weapons" are the most popular civilian rifles in the United States, meaning the backlash against a ban would be far greater than in 1994---and the politicans are gradually waking up to that fact.

No, I think rifles with modern styling are here to stay, though I think we will definitely have to stay active on the issue for the next few years in order to keep it that way.
 
Well let's see? We still can't buy new machine guns. We still have 20,000 + other gun laws on the books, so what's onw more to them...?

I think "Assault Weapon Ban II" will not have a sunset clause!
 
I think they would take a lot more heat now than they did in 1994, especially since the media enjoys calling everything under the sun an "assault weapon" now. The streets aren't filled with bodies like the anti-gunners predicted, and EBR sales are at an all time high.
I remember hearing a national radio interview when the AWB was passed where a politician defined a "semi-automatic assault weapon" as one that kept firing as long as the trigger is held down. Took a couple minutes for my dad and I to stop screaming at the radio.
It seems more people are a little better informed now. It's not that full-auto mac-10 fired from a car window they are talking about, it's the rifle the officer down the street has in his patrol car every day, and it's the M1 garand grandpa has hanging on the mantel.
 
I hate to say this but whether we do or do not get a new "assault weapons" ban depends on YOU. YES YOU
Remember, there is no such thing as "One vote doesn't count". Get over it already. Go out there and cast that ballot.

For all the fence sitters out there who don't want to vote, if many others also think like you, than, our future will be in sh*t
 
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