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New Fullsize .22LR?

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KansasTrapper77

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Got a couple bricks of CCI AR Tactical .22LR for Xmas. I run them in my LCPII .22 which is a blast of course but it’s got me day dreaming about a fullsize .22 autoloader. A large part of me thinks a Ruger Mark Hunter would be a classic addition. But another part of me thinks I should stick with the “trainer” style tactical .22s that resemble their larger caliber brethren. Just day dreaming. What do you fellas run and like?
 
You're in the wrong place 22s are my favorite drug.
I have a Mk1 and Mk2 Ruger, a M41 Smith, a Buckmark, a Sig Trailside, a dedicated 1911 frame with an Advantage target conversion, A CZ75 Kadet, a Colt Huntsman and a Sig P322. I've owned several others plus and have 5 22 revolvers.
Ya can't really go wrong just start buying lol.
 
If I were back at square one with .22 semi pistols looking for my first, I would probably still get the Ruger SR22 because I like DA/SA, especially with rimfire.

For striker likers the Taurus TX22 has been well reviewed and received by many. If you live in a less free state, best to stick with the Ruger Mark or S&W Victory
 
In a new gun, I dont think you can beat the MK4, but any of the older Ruger models are good too.
Im partial to the old S&W 422 family myself-
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Mine have been 99.9% reliable, laser accurate, and eat every flavor of .22LR Ive fed them- better than any other rimfire autoloader Ive tried.
Prices are creeping up pretty high on nice examples, but they are worth every penny, IMO.
In fact, I detest clearing jammed pistols so much Ive sold every other .22 auto I owned except for a single remaining Ruger Standard and these two S&W.
Now .22 revolvers, thats a whole 'nother story, lol.
 
Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer a rimfire pistol that was designed from the start as one and having a steel slide. I never fell for that "rimfire trainer" pistols - without going into details, for me it's not a very good idea to begin with and most definitely will not affect my choice.
 
I have a Ruger MII stainless target I carried as a trap line gun for years. Nice trigger, very accurate, and runs flawlessly. The Ruger Mark Hunter would be my choice. My favorite 22 pistol is a S&W K22 Masterpiece but it's not something I would want to carry around and get beat up.
 
Mizar said:
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Please continue! This Xmas I’m with the less outdoorsy side of the family and am eager to banter firearms.

I like the idea of trainer .22s as they help familiarize the trainee with the ergonomics and controls of the firearm they will eventually progress to. It’s kinda doing double duty. Reduced recoil, low cost, and handgun handling training all in one. Obviously manipulating a Ruger MKIV safety, mag release, slide etc is the same as a centerfire handgun but they LOOK different and that can make people less confident.
 
Because, once you go beyond the stage of learning the basics, it doesn't really matter - there are too many autoloaders with different manual of arms, so the investment in a specific rimfire handgun that mimics it's centerfire original is a little bit pointless to me. In this occasion, quality of the said handgun is more important to me. People learn and do it quick - it's not a big deal if the new gun will have different controls or trigger mechanism, you will just learn how to use it and it will happen quickly, trust me on that. And once you become more efficient with a centerfire auto, you should train with it for proficiency and not with a rimfire "knock-off" - this is not training, it's plinking. Beyond target practice and fun time with friends at the range, or introducing a novice into shooting, I see no real use for rimfires as substitutes for something else. Just train with the real thing for best results.
 
Mizar said:
Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer a rimfire pistol that was designed from the start as one and having a steel slide.
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One of the things that made me fall for the CZ75 Kadet and eventually buy a dedicated lower for my Advantage Arms 1911T22 conversion is that the uppers operate similar to a Smith M41 the barrel and sights are rigidly fixed together. They're like having your cake and eating it too.
The feel and control of two iconic centerfires with the function of one of the best target 22s ever produced.
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mavracer said:
One of the things that made me fall for the CZ75 Kadet and eventually buy a dedicated lower for my Advantage Arms 1911T22 conversion is that the uppers operate similar to a Smith M41 the barrel and sights are rigidly fixed together
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It's mostly an engineering decision actually - .22LR is too weak to cycle a 9mm Luger slide, so you have to make it lighter in some way.
 
I agree with Mizar, except for training neophytes, you're better off practicing with what you actually use, especially with handguns where a centerfire takes much longer to get back on target for follow-up shots than a rimfire.
I have a whole gaggle of military .22 "trainer" rifles, but its pretty clear various peacetime armies used them to save limited funds rather than because they provide realistic marksmanship training.
Once a real war broke out, most countries dispensed with the rimfires and handed out actual service rifles to their conscripts- sink or swim, lol!
 
mavracer said:
One of the things that made me fall for the CZ75 Kadet and eventually buy a dedicated lower for my Advantage Arms 1911T22 conversion is that the uppers operate similar to a Smith M41 the barrel and sights are rigidly fixed together. They're like having your cake and eating it too.
The feel and control of two iconic centerfires with the function of one of the best target 22s ever produced.
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Now that IS neato!
 
I currently have a Ruger 22/45 and have had other variants of the Ruger in the past. The Browning Buckmark is comparable, and I like those too. If I were in the market for another right now I'd consider the S&W Victory.
 
Mizar said:
Because, once you go beyond the stage of learning the basics, it doesn't really matter - there are too many autoloaders with different manual of arms, so the investment in a specific rimfire handgun that mimics it's centerfire original is a little bit pointless to me. In this occasion, quality of the said handgun is more important to me. People learn and do it quick - it's not a big deal if the new gun will have different controls or trigger mechanism, you will just learn how to use it and it will happen quickly, trust me on that.
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There is a lot to be learned from a RF conversion of a full sized pistol.
1. It allows you to refine your presentation from the holster to your natural point of aim.
2. It allows you to learn to prep the trigger on the push out without the expense of shooting CF ammo.

These can't be duplicated with a dedicated RF platform
 
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Mizar said:
Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer a rimfire pistol that was designed from the start as one and having a steel slide. I never fell for that "rimfire trainer" pistols - without going into details, for me it's not a very good idea to begin with and most definitely will not affect my choice.
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I'm of the same opinion, but I won't disregard the concept of a rimfire trainer for certain pistols that are difficult to shoot, namely small pocked pistols, which is why I see the purpose of the .22 LCP even tho I wanted a .32 LCP.
 
I have many full size 22 auto loaders. Rugers are mk3 and 4 and a 22/45. SW a victory and 22 A. I have 2 Colt/Walthers and a browning buck mark. Hard to choose my favorite. Sights wise the Browning and victory. They have fiber optic sights. Over all i would say my mk3. It's well broken in. And a very light trigger. Im going to be doing indoor 22 pistol league this winter. Need to pick soon what im going to use. It's a 50 foot target distance. 1 one handed shooting.
 
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