Thanks Potatohead. That would have been my next question if I still had issues. The guys at the gun shop are really helpful and want their customers pleased with their purchase, but I don't think they know much more than I do or maybe they wouldn't have advised the wrong ammo? Just saying.....
New Glock 19 Gen 3 hanging up BADLY
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I will say this before I log off for the night; if I can get 30 rounds shot without a hangup, then I would def. say it's the ammo. That's how badly it was jamming today. I actually had it jam twice within 5 rounds! I'll get back on here with results. Thanks for all the advice.
boricua9mm
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It was my understanding that Nickel Boron Glocks did not come from the factory that way, but rather a Distributor (Davidsons?) had them sent out and refinished after the fact. As a result, the tolerances on these guns may be a little too tight and may require a break-in, whereas a typical factory Glock would not. This would be especially true if the original finish was not removed prior to the NiB application.
In other words, this is not normal for Glocks per se, but it seems to be common for NiB Glocks.
In other words, this is not normal for Glocks per se, but it seems to be common for NiB Glocks.
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I'm just going to go out on a limb here and claim operator error. Sorry, don't know your level of firearms familiarity or shooting experience, but you may want a second or third opinion or set of hands on that gun to be sure. See if it does the same thing in the hands of someone or others with *maybe* more experience than yourself? Don't rule it out as junk just yet. I've seen my fair share of Glocks jamming on the shooting line (Where everyone on the line was shooting Glocks) and 99% of the time all failures to eject, feed or catastrophic errors were due to operator error.
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When my Glock 17 was brand new, one if the two supplied mags would cause a failure to feed every time in the 2nd shot. I kept the mags both fully loaded for a few weeks before I had a chance to shoot it again and I never had the problem ever again.
I have a CZ P-07 Duty that would jam up every other round. I thought if was a bad extractor or extractor spring. In the advice of the CZ factory hip gun smith, I did a good cleaning of the extractor (which looked fine until a big chunk of crud fell out when I was cleaning it), and it's been great ever since.
I would suspect magazine springs - fixed with new mag springs, or breaking in the mag springs by keeping them fully loaded for a few days. Possibly a bad extractor (could be something as simple as a burr on the extractor claw), maybe bad ammo (try a box of Winchester or some other all known ammo), or beyond that, maybe an issue with the feed ramp (not that likely).
I have a CZ P-07 Duty that would jam up every other round. I thought if was a bad extractor or extractor spring. In the advice of the CZ factory hip gun smith, I did a good cleaning of the extractor (which looked fine until a big chunk of crud fell out when I was cleaning it), and it's been great ever since.
I would suspect magazine springs - fixed with new mag springs, or breaking in the mag springs by keeping them fully loaded for a few days. Possibly a bad extractor (could be something as simple as a burr on the extractor claw), maybe bad ammo (try a box of Winchester or some other all known ammo), or beyond that, maybe an issue with the feed ramp (not that likely).
boricua9mm
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Wake up and smell the coffee. If Glocks had the tolerances you think they did, then bullets would not land even remotely close to one another. A few microns in the fit of a barrel could be the difference between cycling problems and 100% reliability.
Barrels lock into the slide. Slide to frame fit has nothing to do with it. When you refinish a gun without removing the existing coating, you are adding to the thickness and altering the tolerances set forth by the gun's engineers. This is a basic concept when it comes to refinishing guns.
Wreck-n-Crew
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Can't we just get back on track here and stop the bickering, right or not no ones changing their mind here evidently. Lets move on.
The Lone Haranguer
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In case it hasn't been mentioned before 
it really sounds like an ammo issue. Ultramax 9mm Luger is reloaded and typically with an exposed lead bullet. Glocks don't like either. I recommend a thorough cleaning of the barrel and trying some better range ammo with FMJ bullets.
it really sounds like an ammo issue. Ultramax 9mm Luger is reloaded and typically with an exposed lead bullet. Glocks don't like either. I recommend a thorough cleaning of the barrel and trying some better range ammo with FMJ bullets. Normally good advice, but Glock is an exception. The copper-colored paste in every nook and cranny of a new gun is anti-seize compound to assist break-in.Tommygunn said:
bowhntr04
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Did your brother shoot the gun and have the same issues? I had a regular stock g19 and fired some of the cheapest ammo thru it without issues. Ammo was not by choice, but availability. I've owned a couple blocks and moved on. Great guns, just looking for something different.
Did your brother shoot the gun and have the same issues? I had a regular stock g19 and fired some of the cheapest ammo thru it without issues. Ammo was not by choice, but availability. I've owned a couple blocks and moved on. Great guns, just looking for something different.
RainDodger
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Do you have more than one magazine? If so, does that mag act the same? Roughly 99% of semi-auto problems can be tracked right back to a magazine problem. Great advice above - get good ammo, then try a different magazine. That's what I'd do.
boricua9mm
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I own several as well. In addition, I have had several firearms professionally plated over the years. No matter who performs the work, the bottom line is that plating adds to the dimensions; when you add to the dimensions, you change the tolerances.
It is not uncommon for NiBX Glocks, or any other aftermarket plated gun to have a break-in period prior to running reliably. It's not that it won't work ever, it's that the shooter needs to be patient while everything mates together.
Hometeached1
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It has been said before, but.... I'm going to say ammo and the fact it's has the NiB finish since I've seen several jam when new.
Hope this helps.
You could just sit and rack the slide over and over again to wear down the NiB that contacts the rails.
I don't like how the guy keeps clearing the pistol from the front, but... Here's a video talking about a NiB Glock 19 that's having problems.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-KGzXbpE0
Hope this helps.
You could just sit and rack the slide over and over again to wear down the NiB that contacts the rails.
I don't like how the guy keeps clearing the pistol from the front, but... Here's a video talking about a NiB Glock 19 that's having problems.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7b-KGzXbpE0
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I think the best solution is for an experienced shooter or trainer to help her out while she shoots a variety of ammunition from different manufacturers.
Further discussion in this thread is pointless until we see a video or she gets someone to help her diagnose the issue in person.
Further discussion in this thread is pointless until we see a video or she gets someone to help her diagnose the issue in person.
If that were true, they wouldn't have sold you crap remanufactured ammo with the most expensive version Glock. Or was it the only ammo they had?
The FIRST thing you need to do now is field strip the Glock, clean it well and lubricate according to the manual.
Get some good ammo. It should not have to be NATO spec or hot ammo for the gun to work. Any decent American made ammo should cycle in the gun. Let someone else shoot the gun. If it does the same for them it's not likely a limp wristing problem. If that doesn't do it than you may have a problem Glock. Do a search on recent Glock problems. Some of the guns coming out the past couple of years have issues. Time to call Glock then.
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Are you sure that's thick enough to cause problems? lol glocks have trouble sloppy tolerances but some of that is for a reason, being the AK of handguns there not made to be pretty or well machined they just need to work. Which with glock switch to more and more MIM parts all the time problems seem to be more common. There extractor's our some of the worse I've seen.
To OP:
If ammo doesn't fix the gun I would take it back and see if you can get something else. Nothing wrong with glock just if it doesn't work there no need to try and make it run when you can get a handful of other reliable guns.
boricua9mm
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With a signature like this...
...maybe we should regard you as the Most High Exalted Glock Maven of THR!
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...maybe we should regard you as the Most High Exalted Glock Maven of THR!
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Lol I own a glock 17 I'm not bad mouthing them just the truth.
What about your grip?
You mentioned that you are new to semi-autos, right?
What grip are you using? My reason for asking is that Glocks, being lighter than their all steel counterparts, really do require a correct grip to function. If you are not using a practiced two-handed grip, here are some fundamentals:
1) unload the pistol and make it safe
2) grip the pistol in your shooting hand, with your hand positioned as high on the frame as you can, gripping the frame with three fingers. This grip creates a gap between the meat of your thumb and the three fingers.
3) with your support hand, put the meat of your thumb into the gap created by your shooting hand, rotating your support hand forward slightly.
4) wrap the fingers of your support hand around the knuckles of your shooting hand, but do not let your support hand index finger touch the front of the trigger guard, keep it low, over your other knuckles
5) position your thumbs so that they both point forward, but so that they do not exert any pressure on the frame, and so that you avoid touching the Slide Stop Lever when shooting
6) pull the trigger straight back using the middle of the pad of the tip of your trigger finger.
Sorry if this sounds basic, but grip problems are very common with new Glock shooters, and they are a common cause of function problems. If your grip is correct, the gun should work fine. If you have cheap ammo that really dirties up the gun, clean the gun and use a correct grip before making any judgments about the gun. If you aren't making progress, have an experienced Glock shooter try the gun.
Chris
You mentioned that you are new to semi-autos, right?
What grip are you using? My reason for asking is that Glocks, being lighter than their all steel counterparts, really do require a correct grip to function. If you are not using a practiced two-handed grip, here are some fundamentals:
1) unload the pistol and make it safe
2) grip the pistol in your shooting hand, with your hand positioned as high on the frame as you can, gripping the frame with three fingers. This grip creates a gap between the meat of your thumb and the three fingers.
3) with your support hand, put the meat of your thumb into the gap created by your shooting hand, rotating your support hand forward slightly.
4) wrap the fingers of your support hand around the knuckles of your shooting hand, but do not let your support hand index finger touch the front of the trigger guard, keep it low, over your other knuckles
5) position your thumbs so that they both point forward, but so that they do not exert any pressure on the frame, and so that you avoid touching the Slide Stop Lever when shooting
6) pull the trigger straight back using the middle of the pad of the tip of your trigger finger.
Sorry if this sounds basic, but grip problems are very common with new Glock shooters, and they are a common cause of function problems. If your grip is correct, the gun should work fine. If you have cheap ammo that really dirties up the gun, clean the gun and use a correct grip before making any judgments about the gun. If you aren't making progress, have an experienced Glock shooter try the gun.
Chris
Had this identical experience with my wife's Gen III 19. About drove us nuts because she does not have a loose grip and shows very little muzzle rise in recoil. However, her body and arms mass is much less than the average male.
I and several friends can shoot her gun all day with my moderate 115 gr. handloads with no problems. She gets numerous failures-to-feed, stovepipes mainly, with the same ammunition.
I finally got her several boxes of full power factory loads. Problem solved.
I would suggest trying the same, and perhaps you might want to select 124 grain bullets over the 115's.
We have a lot of Glocks around this range, and some of them are ammunition sensitive, in that they need full power loads to function reliably.
I'm pretty well convinced that the problem is marginal or borderline recoil impulse and slide velocity with less than full loads, perhaps exacerbated by light bullets.
Nothing is more frustrating and confidence destroying than an autoloader that malfunctions regularly.
Be assured that you have a wonderful gun and you will come to love its reliability and accuracy. Just do some experimenting to see what you need to feed it and your problems will go away.
I and several friends can shoot her gun all day with my moderate 115 gr. handloads with no problems. She gets numerous failures-to-feed, stovepipes mainly, with the same ammunition.
I finally got her several boxes of full power factory loads. Problem solved.
I would suggest trying the same, and perhaps you might want to select 124 grain bullets over the 115's.
We have a lot of Glocks around this range, and some of them are ammunition sensitive, in that they need full power loads to function reliably.
I'm pretty well convinced that the problem is marginal or borderline recoil impulse and slide velocity with less than full loads, perhaps exacerbated by light bullets.
Nothing is more frustrating and confidence destroying than an autoloader that malfunctions regularly.
Be assured that you have a wonderful gun and you will come to love its reliability and accuracy. Just do some experimenting to see what you need to feed it and your problems will go away.
Update; shot 200 rds today of Winchester and Fiocchi with no jams; smooth as silk. My brother-n-law wanted to see what happened shooting the reloads and, sure enough, two jams in one clip! I appreciate all the advice and I valued every bit of it. I was the only one in the crowd with a Glock and it didn't disappoint for 200 rds of good ammo. I'm stocking up on the quality ammo and continuing the trial run next weekend. Thanks to all who responded and gave their excellent advice. Looks like ammo was a major issue. I'll concede that possible limp wristing and user error may have played a small part. But, hey, that's what practice is for. Goodnight all!
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