New Kel-Tec PMR-30 auto pistol

[gatorjames85]

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Wonder if it will have a stock plastic magazine catch.
You mean a stock plastic magazine catch like Glock uses?

Yeah, and we all know how Glocks have a reputation for falling apart after a couple hundred rounds. It never fails that people will show up and bash Kel-Tecs. Usually they will later admit that they have never owned or even shot one.

 

[miket]

You mean a stock plastic magazine catch like Glock uses?

Yeah, and if you knew what you were actually talking about, you'd realize that the Glock magazine bodies are plastic/polymer, WHICH IS THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE MAG CATCH, with a steel lining. Since both are the same material, there isn't a "one will wear the other" interface issue... UNLIKE the Kel-Tecs...

Kel-Tecs use a plastic/polymer mag catch, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME MATERIAL AS THE STEEL MAGAZINE BODY, and it scrapes/wears EVERY time a magazine is inserted and/or released, unless you "baby the catch".

 

[miket]

Gatorjames85, you couldn't be more wrong. I'm still in possession of two P3ATs and a P11. The P11 was okay enough out of the box, even with that sh&tty trigger, but the P3ATs? They took a LOT of work to get running decently.

 

[Winter Borne]

+1 for Lions, I was thinking the same thing, and then wondered what it would look like with a square laser in the front rail. I am a big fan of KT guns and carry my p3at most days. I have a Walther P22 for the wife, but this very well might replace it.

mk

 

[bdb benzino]

Miket,
Why not get rid of it if you hate Kel-Tec's so much!!! All you are doing is being negative about a pistol thats not even out yet, you must be in need of a constructive hobby. I have had a couple problems with a couple pistols before, but my time is too valuable to sit around an wait for someone to post about the pistol that wronged me. I GET RID OF IT, OR FIX IT AND MOVE ON LIKE A BIG BOY!!

 

[Wolfebyte]

Not just "WANT" .. this falls into the "Must Have" category...

I've loved hunting with my Marlin in .22 Mag, this would make a nice accessory pistol ...

 

[Joe Demko]

Miket,
Out of all the people here at this board, rc model is one of the most knowledgeable. He has a well-earned reputation on that account. When he talks, you should listen. When you reply, you should do so with proper respect for one who almost certainly knows more about guns in general than you do, whether you may be right on this particular detail or not.

 

[mesinge2]

Not that I would use them in this gun, but do you think the 22 mag shot shells would feed in this?

If they do, I might have to try that just for the heck of it. Imagine 31 of them in a row.

 

[Joe Demko]

I'm picturing the pure, holy hell one might unleash with such a piece on feral cats, racoons, and other garbage can raiding vermin. If an accessory barrel could be purchased for .17 HMR, life would become very chancy indeed for such critters.

 

[Quiet]

I like it.
The return of the Grendel P-30.

 

[AStone]

Miket,
Out of all the people here at this board, rc model is one of the most knowledgeable. He has a well-earned reputation on that account. When he talks, you should listen. When you reply, you should do so with proper respect for one who almost certainly knows more about guns in general than you do, whether you may be right on this particular detail or not.

Ditto that.

Word up.

 

[trigun87]

OMG, I want one. Im dont have anything in .22mag but I can imagine this to be a great fun gun/ back packing gun.

 

[bigfatdave]

do you think the 22 mag shot shells would feed in this?

Well, that has (at least) three answers
-1- Probably not, aren't pistol shotshells essentially blanks with debris to blow out?
-2- With the low cost of the shells, buy some and find out!
-3- Who cares, pistol shotshells are only for rats and other very small critters at close range

 

[miket]

Out of all the people here at this board, rc model is one of the most knowledgeable.

Sorry, if he's saying the PROBLEM Kel-Tec is known for (especially the P3AT which is WELL documented) with their plastic mag catches wearing out because they interface DIRECTLY against a steel magazine body is happening with Glocks because they also use a plastic/polymer magazine catch, then he is DEAD WRONG. And, he knows this to be true. I actually expected more out of rcmodel because he's quite a fixture (or used to be) on a certain Kel-Tec specific site.

Also, notice he hasn't been back to address this issue, either...

 

[Madcap_Magician]

That is, however, without a doubt, the ugliest factory pistol I have ever seen.

 

[crawfobj]

Ugly, yes. Do I want one? DEFINITELY.

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

Sorry, if he's saying the PROBLEM Kel-Tec is known for (especially the P3AT which is WELL documented) with their plastic mag catches wearing out because they interface DIRECTLY against a steel magazine body is happening with Glocks because they also use a plastic/polymer magazine catch, then he is DEAD WRONG. And, he knows this to be true. I actually expected more out of rcmodel because he's quite a fixture (or used to be) on a certain Kel-Tec specific site.

Also, notice he hasn't been back to address this issue, either...

The Hurr Durr in this post is off the charts.

Even if it were as easy to rub away a chunk of plastic with a smooth piece of metal as our resident material scientist MikeT here would have us believe, doesn't Kel Tec sell replacement mag catches for super cheap?

 

[CoRoMo]

Originally Posted by rcmodel
You mean a stock plastic magazine catch like Glock uses?

Posted by miket
Yeah, and if you knew what you were actually talking about...

Bwahahahahah!!! I could almost hear a groundswell of thunderous laughter, coming from the many thousands of members here, directed at you for that comment. Hilarious!

Also, notice he hasn't been back to address this issue...

I'm sure he's got better things to do than to swat at flies. Some of us can do that for him.

 

[miket]

I knew what he was getting at. YES, Glock uses "plastic" magazine catches and I even SAID they did. He realized the interface materials are DIFFERENT with KT pistols, unlike Glocks. If he's half man worth his salt, he's admit that to be true. Or he won't. But, he'd at least make a comment. Cue rcmodel In 3...2...1...

 

[EdLaver]

This will be serious competiton for the FN Five-Seven. Depending on the price, I will have one...

 

[rcmodel]

Or he won't. But, he'd at least make a comment. Cue rcmodel In 3...2...1...

Yes, there have been problems with K-T plastic mag catches & steel mags.
Especially with folks who think a 10 oz .380 is a combat race gun you can slam mags in like you were killing snakes.
They will send new mag catches to you free if you ever need another one.

My P3AT is almost 5 years old, and still has the mag catch it came with.
No problems at all, whatsoever.

As for how all this applies to the new PMR-30 I have no idea.

It will use plastic mags like a Glock, so a plastic mag catch like a Glock might work just fine forever.
We won't know until the gun comes out next year and we find out.

But since the PMR-30 uses a heel type magazine release, I doubt it will matter much at all what they make it out of.

rc

 

[miket]

Rcmodel, thanks! Credit is due where credit is due. I didn't see that it had a heel mag release or plastic mags.

BUT, you know what I'm talking about with the Kel-Tecs, especially the P3AT, and how it's not the same set up as Glock. Amazingly, you may have had a stock catch last that long. Do you "baby" it by depressing it fully before each insertion/removal? You KNOW lots of people have had problems with KT mag catches wearing out and dumping mags in pockets, etc.

 

[rcmodel]

All I did to mine was smooth up the factory Mec-Gar mags where the release holes were left with shaving sharp edges. Took all of five minutes with a needle file to do three mags.

And I suppose you could say I do "baby" it compared to say my 1911's, S&W's, SIG's, and such.

I don't do IPSC Slam'm Home reloads with my P3AT like some folks, as I consider it more a 7-shot derringer then a combat race gun.

rc

 

[DAVIDSDIVAD]

A post full of words written in all caps didn't have all of the facts before getting into a debate?


Oh my, I nearly keeled over from the surprise.

 

[lions]

Wonder if it will have a stock plastic magazine catch.

You mean a stock plastic magazine catch like Glock uses?

The way I see it, rcmodel was comparing this Kel-tec (using plastic mags with plastic mag catch) to a glock (using plastic mags with plastic mag catch).

Miket decided to switch from the Kel-tec being discussed in this thread to another Kel-tec which really has no bearing on this conversation.

hmmm...