New Mexico HB50 would ban all 10 round and greater magazines

[doubleh]

Strange and outrageous things get introduced all the time. The time to worry is when it starts moving through the legislative process. I would be shocked if New Mexico decided to outdo Colorado.

Our current administration is certainly making an effort to catch up. I know what our sheriff will do about this if it does pass----nothing. He has told our little troll in charge to go pound sand before. I expect a very loud howl about this because of the number of gun owners in this state. As one law enforcement officer told me once in a friendly conversation, "everyone in NM has a gun". Not quite true of course but close.

 

[BushMaster-15]

A proposed bill is not a passed bill.

It is essential to know how to effectively oppose such legislation.

Since status on this is "pre-file" and there are no sponsors, now is the time for all NM members to contact their House representatives and clearly state the following.

I am strongly opposed to HP50"POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY GUN MAGAZINE" and expect you to vote against it at every opportunity.
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The more fellow New Mexicans that you can get to send this simple statement to their reps the less likely the bill will get any traction to get a vote before the House.

Illinois and California , Colorado near all upper Eastcoast states along with several other Blue States ,will argue that statement

 

[westernrover]

Could legislation be crafted to all but guarantee that it will be ruled unconstitutional in a court of appeals or the SCOTUS? Why let the antis draft codes that carefully approach the red lines while having the best chance of not crossing them? Why not ensure there are deliberately egregious transgressions of civil rights in the bill so that it will be over-turned and establish a precedent?

There's no reason to believe that we're going to get more rights through legislation. Nobody is drafting law that will increase the liberty to exercise 2A rights that has any chance of passing. What did we get with Trump and GOP control of the Senate? Nothing but some conserative judges. No pro-2A legislation passed. There isn't even a reason to believe that if we had a GOP controlled congress and white house that we'd get anything -- anything at all. The most we've been able to hope for is no new bans and even Trump didn't deliver on that -- he likes bans.

But New York gave us one of the most significant expansions in the exercise of 2A rights by having egregiously restrictive law that was ripe to be struck down. It's just a pity the judiciary took so many decades to do it. Shame on them.

Banning magazine capacity greater than 9 could be useful because it would infringe on commonly owned equipment -- exceedingly common. I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to pass a law that bans magazine capacity of "1 round or greater," effectively banning semi-auto "assault" weapons. The antis might realize it's a trap.

The bottom line is we need a decision from the courts establishing the lawfulness of all standard capacity magazines and the unlawful infringement inherent in any capacity limit. Our legislators have failed to deliver. So the courts may be the only way we can get this and we can't get it until a ban crosses the line. The 10-round bans have crossed the line already, but the courts haven't been willing to act decisively. Maybe they need a 1-round ban to act?

 

[Sistema1927]

And there are more anti-freedom bills being introduced by the minute here in NM. Hopefully most of them will never see the light of day, but it will only be by our vigilance in fighting them tooth and nail that they don't come to pass.

 

[Otto]

Oh oh….NRA’s 33,000 acre Whittington Center is in New Mexico. If the bill were to pass, it would spell the end for the facility. Time to start greasing some politicians ASAP.

 

[JTHunter]

They tried a few years ago here in NM to instate a mag capacity ban, it failed even though the private sale through FFL passed. NM has a lot of moderate Dem voters who are 2nd Amendment supporters. The problem is that we, like Colorado picked up our share of far left California regressives but thankfully they haven't been as successful here....... Yet.......... Pretty sure this will fail also.

You also need to look at this attempt and how it is structured "post-Bruen".

 

[N555]

Could legislation be crafted to all but guarantee that it will be ruled unconstitutional in a court of appeals or the SCOTUS? Why let the antis draft codes that carefully approach the red lines while having the best chance of not crossing them? Why not ensure there are deliberately egregious transgressions of civil rights in the bill so that it will be over-turned and establish a precedent?

There's no reason to believe that we're going to get more rights through legislation. Nobody is drafting law that will increase the liberty to exercise 2A rights that has any chance of passing. What did we get with Trump and GOP control of the Senate? Nothing but some conserative judges. No pro-2A legislation passed. There isn't even a reason to believe that if we had a GOP controlled congress and white house that we'd get anything -- anything at all. The most we've been able to hope for is no new bans and even Trump didn't deliver on that -- he likes bans.

But New York gave us one of the most significant expansions in the exercise of 2A rights by having egregiously restrictive law that was ripe to be struck down. It's just a pity the judiciary took so many decades to do it. Shame on them.

Banning magazine capacity greater than 9 could be useful because it would infringe on commonly owned equipment -- exceedingly common. I'm not sure it wouldn't be better to pass a law that bans magazine capacity of "1 round or greater," effectively banning semi-auto "assault" weapons. The antis might realize it's a trap.

The bottom line is we need a decision from the courts establishing the lawfulness of all standard capacity magazines and the unlawful infringement inherent in any capacity limit. Our legislators have failed to deliver. So the courts may be the only way we can get this and we can't get it until a ban crosses the line. The 10-round bans have crossed the line already, but the courts haven't been willing to act decisively. Maybe they need a 1-round ban to act?

Yes and they don't care. Either way they think they get what they want. They figure by the time it gets signed into law and by the time it takes to get struck down in court the damage will already be done.
Problem with gun grabbers is they are too stupid to realize they aren't going to get what they want. Real life closest thing to compliance is people will give their effected mags maybe effected guns to friends or relatives in other states, effectively stashing them in Texas or AZ or some other free state.
Closest you will get to compliance as what gun grabbers want is some people sell their guns, to a dealer, or to a criminal, a few new gun owners might get scared not fully understanding the law and turn their guns in at police buy backs or just turn them over to police.
I think quite a few just won't know.
Most people will hide their stuff.

 

[AlexanderA]

Problem with gun grabbers is they are too stupid to realize they aren't going to get what they want......Most people will hide their stuff.

This. Americans just will not give up their guns.

A lot of what the antigunners are doing is Kabuki theater to mollify their base. There are some smart ones in their ranks, and those people know that gun control will ultimately suffer the same fate as alcohol Prohibition. But they don't care. It's all a grift, a fundraising scam.

 

[JohnnyJ7766]

"Possess"? Ouch, here in Washington we got hit with a 10-round buying and selling ban but I can perfectly legally ship in a crate of STANAGs from Idaho. I feel like when states go this hardline they're asking for total noncompliance, I'd bet over half of the people who own these suckers in NM don't even know this law got passed, that's how it was here in WA.

 

[N555]

It hasn't been voted on yet.

 

[doubleh]

"Possess"? Ouch, here in Washington we got hit with a 10-round buying and selling ban but I can perfectly legally ship in a crate of STANAGs from Idaho. I feel like when states go this hardline they're asking for total noncompliance, I'd bet over half of the people who own these suckers in NM don't even know this law got passed, that's how it was here in WA.

It has only been submitted, not passed. Considering all the gun owners in NM I think this is a dead duck at the start but with our total domination of state government by Democrats I'm not entirely sure it will die in committee if it ever gets that. If it does manage to get through the legilsature I expect our little troll in charge would eagerly sign it into law.

 

[2zulu1]

Interesting, if passed, does this mean owning a Winchester '92 saddle ring carbine would be illegal to own w/o some kind of doo-hicky contraption to limit tube to 9 rounds...?

 

[roval]

Interesting, if passed, does this mean owning a Winchester '92 saddle ring carbine would be illegal to own w/o some kind of doo-hicky contraption to limit tube to 9 rounds...?

hopefully nothing comes of it. the same legislator tried to pass a 15 rd magazine limit in 2012 i think but i think it is for detachable box magazines. so that would even include a 10/22 .

 

[jstert]

hopefully nothing comes of it. the same legislator tried to pass a 15 rd magazine limit in 2012 i think but i think it is for detachable box magazines. so that would even include a 10/22 .

soros pays well doesn’t he…

 

[kje54]

Of course the Governor talked about both sides working to curtail rampant crime in NM........ She just had to toss in a comment about banning "assault weapons"..............

 

[PapaG]

And I thought ours was bad (IL assault weapons ban). Ours is against title mags over ten rounds and handgun over fifteen although it was originally written as 10 for all.
Ours is bad. One year to register or relinquish without recompense.

 

[N555]

Interesting, if passed, does this mean owning a Winchester '92 saddle ring carbine would be illegal to own w/o some kind of doo-hicky contraption to limit tube to 9 rounds...?

It would appear so.
They didn't make any provisions in the law for the mag being detachable or for a semiauto. It's also not like California where they can stick a 10 round conversation spring into a 15 or 30 round mag, taking up a large portion of the mag, filling in the space making it hold 10 rounds. If your mag tube rifle held more than it, the tube would need to be cut down to comply with the law.

 

[kje54]

If by some strange chance they do pass the law (though I doubt it) and by some strange twist of fate said law is upheld in the courts I'm already setting up options to move. Better to be prepared and not have to use any of those provisions than to be caught flat footed and have to scramble.

 

[rust collector]

The thread title implies that this ban is in force rather than proposed legislation. I will modify to clarify.

 

[kje54]

The thread title implies that this ban is in force rather than proposed legislation. I will modify to clarify.

Heck, I don't even know if it's gone to committee yet.

 

[roval]

It would appear so.
They didn't make any provisions in the law for the mag being detachable or for a semiauto. It's also not like California where they can stick a 10 round conversation spring into a 15 or 30 round mag, taking up a large portion of the mag, filling in the space making it hold 10 rounds. If your mag tube rifle held more than it, the tube would need to be cut down to comply with the law.

tubular magazines contained in the firearm are not included . the definitions are on page 3

 

[LNF150]

Santa Fe is a delusion surrounded by reality. I can promise you, the folks in Otero county will tell the state capital to shove any limited magazine capacity right in the ol' legislative cheerio hole.

 

[kje54]

Santa Fe is a delusion surrounded by reality. I can promise you, the folks in Otero county will tell the state capital to shove any limited magazine capacity right in the ol' legislative cheerio hole.

So far all but 6 counties have declared themselves 2nd A sanctuaries and some of them are Dem controlled, six of those counties were primary in getting Lujan Grisham elected. I think most of the Sheriffs in all those counties have already said they would not enforce any such law that is passed.

 

[TTv2]

It will pass, the money Bloomberg is waving in front of state reps faces it too much for them to ignore and so long as they're majority Democrat they will sell out, even if it's in New Mexico. The anti-gun groups have largely given up at the federal level, they're taking the fight to the states and after NM it will be Pennsylvania.

 

[Mini30SS]

Poor New Mexico.

It's starting to look like old Mexico.