New primer brands?

[snowman357]

OK with all the new primer brands Aguila, fiocchi and Servicios & Aventuras. Who has actually used them and with what results. I have used mostly CCI never had a bad primer yet. I have shot factory fiocchi and aquila they make good ammo, would think the primers are ok. Any misfires, harder to prime? I like to buy in large amount for hazmat fees just want some idea ,have read some bad stuff on the Servicios & Aventuras but could have been the user.
I forgot, looking at small pistol and large rifle non magnum
Snowman357

 

[N555]

They're not new, people who used to buy cci, winchester, rem, fed are just being forced to use something different.
They work fine and there's a very good chance I'll never buy another loose Vista group primer ever again.

 

[Hockey7711]

I've been using ginex for the past year. No problems with them.
They seem a bit softer, and I no longer get light primer strikes on one of my revolvers which used to happen with cci.

 

[mnash50259]

OK with all the new primer brands Aguila, fiocchi and Servicios & Aventuras. Who has actually used them and with what results. I have used mostly CCI never had a bad primer yet. I have shot factory fiocchi and aquila they make good ammo, would think the primers are ok. Any misfires, harder to prime? I like to buy in large amount for hazmat fees just want some idea ,have read some bad stuff on the Servicios & Aventuras but could have been the user.
I forgot, looking at small pistol and large rifle non magnum
Snowman357

Have used all of the above without any significant issues, couple misfires due to a high primer which was my mistake
Check out the link I posted in the first sticky, 10k S$A’s shipped to your door for $570 total. Pretty good deal with the way prices have been I think.

 

[LiveLife]

Aguila, fiocchi and Servicios & Aventuras. Who has actually used them and with what results.

looking at small pistol and large rifle non magnum

I can vouch for Fiocchi SP primer. Bought a case during last "Great Component Shortage" of 2012 and was very consistent.

It is bit larger Metric sized so takes more effort to seat in tighter/once-fired primer pockets (I separated S&B and RWS brass to use with domestic CCI/Winchester primers).

Also I can vouch for Magtech and S&B primers that were consistent.

 

[GooseGestapo]

I bought a box of Fiocchi .38spl about 25yrs ago. It was made in Italy and primers were as hard as “wood pecker lips”. None of my .38 revolvers would give 100% ignition.

I bought 15,000 Fiocchi primers recently and they are USA marked and every one has popped.
I’ve still got a stash of Federals and will sit on them, but I’m not paying post COVID prices for new ones.

Fiocchi, S&A, and Ruag have all been good… at 1/2 price of Vista products…

 

[Remington1911]

OK with all the new primer brands Aguila, fiocchi and Servicios & Aventuras. Who has actually used them and with what results. I have used mostly CCI never had a bad primer yet. I have shot factory fiocchi and aquila they make good ammo, would think the primers are ok. Any misfires, harder to prime? I like to buy in large amount for hazmat fees just want some idea ,have read some bad stuff on the Servicios & Aventuras but could have been the user.
I forgot, looking at small pistol and large rifle non magnum
Snowman357

I have used aguila in center fire stuff, both rifle and hand guns and fiocchi in shotguns. No issues.

 

[dannyd]

I have used 9,229 foreign primers not counting the over 3,000 Cheddite 209's and they have all worked just as well the USA manufacturer's.

 

[J-Bar]

I bought some Servicios Aventuras small pistol primers several months ago. They seat easily in Starline .357 Magnum and .38 Special brass. They ignite reliably in my S&W N frame revolvers, but my J Frame concealed carry revolver doesn't ignite them on the first hammer fall. That revolver ignites Winchester, CCI, and Federal primers consistently. So I will use the SA primers for range time but will not carry them.

 

[dannyd]

On the very rare occasions I carry only use store purchased ammunition, so I don't have that problem also I Only shoot Revolvers, so your black gun mileage may very.

 

[MakBaba]

It is bit larger Metric sized so takes more effort to seat in tighter/once-fired primer pockets (I separated S&B and RWS brass to use with domestic CCI/Winchester primers).

Same with Ginex SPP. I've loaded 800 and had 3 that I skipped over that were seated too high and wouldn't fire.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I have used mostly CCI never had a bad primer yet.

CCI has a reputation as a "hard" primer, but they've always proved reliable for my reloading. I'd use CCI rather than Winchester...I never use Remington

I've been using ginex for the past year. No problems with them.
They seem a bit softer, and I no longer get light primer strikes on one of my revolvers which used to happen with cci.

I'm finishing off my first 5k box of Genix SPP and been very happy. They are definitely softer than CCI and approaching Federal in sensitivity.

Being Metric primers, they are slightly larger and require either more pressure to seat full or use in cases with larger primer pockets. I have seated them in a dedicated bench mounted priming tool (Co-Ax or Lee) or on my Hornady progressive press without issues

 

[dannyd]

If you put your brass in a baggie with a couple sprays of Hornady One shot case lube and shake then let dry. The primers seat easier especially the Aquila's.

 

[lightman]

The only ones that you listed that I have used are the Fiocchi and they worked fine. I have seen mixed opinions on other forums about the S&A primers.
CCI have always been my favorite and I'm willing to pay more to get them.

 

[Kaldor]

I have a large enough back log of CCI, Fed, Win, and Rem primers that Im not too worried about it.
The only thing will pay for is CCI or Fed Magnum primers, because I havent seen an available foreign equivalent. Too bad large primers are unobtanium...
I have 1 concern with the metric primers being slightly larger, is that if I make the switch, are they going to increase my primer pocket size slightly, making that brass useless for US made primers?

 

[LiveLife]

concern with the metric primers being slightly larger, is that if I make the switch, are they going to increase my primer pocket size slightly, making that brass useless for US made primers?

Primer pockets get larger as they are reloaded over and over.

If you use mixed range brass that's been reloaded several times, primer pockets have been enlarged enough to not be a problem seating Metric sized primers. They may require slightly more seating force/effort.

But with once-fired or headstamp brass with tighter primer pockets, seating Metric primers even to flush becomes an issue. What I ended up doing was separating S&B/RWS 9mm brass out to use with CCI/Winchester SP primers.

So if you run into seating problem with Metric sized primers not going slightly below flush, then try using them with older brass.

Silver lining to Metric sized primers being slightly larger is if you have older brass that have enlarged primer pockets where domestic primers are too loose to use, using Metric sized primers can extend the usable life of these older brass.

 

[westernrover]

I haven't bought primers since 2019, but then I bought several crates of Fiocchi because they're great. I like the Italian-made primers. The way US primer manufacturers failed for many years and continue to fail to meet market demand makes me feel no pity for them while I continue to use imports. When instead of making more primers, they get on video and complain to their customers, I have no reason to buy a Vista (Federal, CCI and now Remington) primers. They won't feel the loss of my business, and they haven't had their Bud Light moment yet.

 

[JerkyFreak]

Not sure what the hate is for S&B. They seem to be as consistant as CCI Br primers. The LR primers are a bit on the small size though so go in rather loose on old brass.

 

[lordpaxman]

Powder Valley just put Magtech SPP primers on sale. I’ve not seen that brand before.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

Powder Valley just put Magtech SPP primers on sale. I’ve not seen that brand before.

Been around since the 90’s, at least.
If I recall correctly, these were made in the Philippines until around 2005/6 when production moved to Brazil. Good quality but they have/had the same quirks as the other metric brands. When I tried them they were still labeled Philippines so that may have changed. Good primers; just be ready for some hard seating.

 

[the Black Spot]

What happens if I use cci large rifle and get 1/2” groups at 100 yds and I switch to a different brand primer? Will it affect groups?

 

[westernrover]

This guy tested it. "You be the judge."

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

What happens if I use cci large rifle and get 1/2” groups at 100 yds and I switch to a different brand primer? Will it affect groups?

Before UToob the rule was, any time you change a major component, you work up a new load from the starting load used to develop the current load. Now keep in mind, back then folks were more concerned about safety, accuracy and results on game. Koolness and NuHotnis weren’t part of the thinking. So take it with a grain of salt. Also, back then, some folks would work down from starting loads as well as up - not all, just some - just in case the best results were lower on the powder scale with the new component.
I would say working up and documenting the results is the way to go. But that’s just me.

 

[Curious2]

Have used 2 bricks of S&A primers and they worked just fine. The 3rd brick had about 15% ftf. Looked like like light strikes. Same day & same gun 100 rounds with CCI 400 perfect looking & functional rounds. Can only think the S&A primer cups were extremely hard or thick. No more S&A for me. De-primed a couple hundred cases... DONE!

 

[LiveLife]

Powder Valley just put Magtech SPP primers on sale. I’ve not seen that brand before.

Been around since the 90’s, at least ... If I recall correctly, these were made in the Philippines until around 2005/6 when production moved to Brazil. Good quality

Magtech SP primers I bought during the "Great Component Shortage" of 2012 were made in Brazil and was 100% reliable and seated to below flush like Winchester primer (In fact, Magtech SP primers were the smoothest seating primer brand for Pro 1000 and I began to recommend for Pro1K users ... But primer brand became moot after 2023 revised/updated release of Pro 1000 with new priming system like that of Pro 6000 which allows below flush seating of any brand primers)