new to me colt police positive 32

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so…i have been intrigued with the 32 revolver caliber for awhile, got a 327/32 barrel for my bond arms derringer to “test-fire” it and promptly got hooked.

i found this 1922 colt police positive 32 revolver for under $300. its finish has seen honest wear (nothing remarkable at 100 years old) and yet it locks up tighter than a bank vault. i cleaned it and took it out for my first time earlier this week. by mistake i grabbed two boxes of 32 “short” out of my small 32 stash (i intended one box to be 32long but i was too hurried heading out my door).

i love it. its frame and grip are slender and small so had to adjust my hold unlike my fatter other revolvers. it was comfortably soft to shoot. stopping power aside, i understand how 32 was popular back then. the sights…well there really aren’t any, but with practice i will figure it out. i shot about 90 rounds into mostly 3-4” groups at 15-20’ but accuracy too isn’t the point.

i simply love how it feels so mechanically solid, knowing that a colt craftsman hand-assembled each one in a golden era of american growth. i love it being 100 years old, made in the year of my paternal grandparents’ marrage (then recent polish/lithuanian immigrants), and my maternal uncle’s birth (he was kia in april 1945). it looks and acts like the revolver that colt was once, at the top of handgun heap in the 1920s (due apologies to s&w fans, me included).

sorry this isn’t much of a technical review, but what love affair is technical?

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so…i have been intrigued with the 32 revolver caliber for awhile, got a 327/32 barrel for my bond arms derringer to “test-fire” it and promptly got hooked.

i found this 1922 colt police positive 32 revolver for under $300. its finish has seen honest wear (nothing remarkable at 100 years old) and yet it locks up tighter than a bank vault. i cleaned it and took it out for my first time earlier this week. by mistake i grabbed two boxes of 32 “short” out of my small 32 stash (i intended one box to be 32long but i was too hurried heading out my door).

i love it. its frame and grip are slender and small so had to adjust my hold unlike my fatter other revolvers. it was comfortably soft to shoot. stopping power aside, i understand how 32 was popular back then. the sights…well there really aren’t any, but with practice i will figure it out. i shot about 90 rounds into mostly 3-4” groups at 15-20’ but accuracy too isn’t the point.

i simply love how it feels so mechanically solid, knowing that a colt craftsman hand-assembled each one in a golden era of american growth. i love it being 100 years old, made in the year of my paternal grandparents’ marrage (then recent polish/lithuanian immigrants), and my maternal uncle’s birth (he was kia in april 1945). it looks and acts like the revolver that colt was once, at the top of handgun heap in the 1920s (due apologies to s&w fans, me included).

sorry this isn’t much of a technical review, but what love affair is technical?

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With patience a solid rest and shooting single action you should be able to get six in 4" at 20-25 paces.

Neat gun
 
Love my 1926 Police Positive but mine is 38S&W.

Two 38 S&W.

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That's a classic, jstert, and in nice shootable condition too. 32 Long is one of the most pleasant centerfire cartridges to shoot. It's a pity they made the sights so small, but sometimes you can get used to that.

BTW, I can't read the barrel stamping. (The photo is OK, I'm having a bit of eye trouble.) Could someone tell me if this is A) a Police Positive, B) a Police Positive 38 chambered in 32 Long, or C) a Police Positive Special? Because I'm darned if I can tell, and since I can't, I really want to know. :)
 
That's a classic, jstert, and in nice shootable condition too. 32 Long is one of the most pleasant centerfire cartridges to shoot. It's a pity they made the sights so small, but sometimes you can get used to that.

BTW, I can't read the barrel stamping. (The photo is OK, I'm having a bit of eye trouble.) Could someone tell me if this is A) a Police Positive, B) a Police Positive 38 chambered in 32 Long, or C) a Police Positive Special? Because I'm darned if I can tell, and since I can't, I really want to know. :)
It looks to be a .32 Police Ctg Police Positive model. You can tell by grip frame and short cylinder length. The Special has a wider grip frame and longer cylinder for the longer, more powerful .38Spl and .32WCF cartridges. I can’t tell for sure but it looks like a Positive, not Special.
But it is definitely very special! :)
 
so…i have been intrigued with the 32 revolver caliber for awhile, got a 327/32 barrel for my bond arms derringer to “test-fire” it and promptly got hooked.

i found this 1922 colt police positive 32 revolver for under $300. its finish has seen honest wear (nothing remarkable at 100 years old) and yet it locks up tighter than a bank vault. i cleaned it and took it out for my first time earlier this week. by mistake i grabbed two boxes of 32 “short” out of my small 32 stash (i intended one box to be 32long but i was too hurried heading out my door).

i love it. its frame and grip are slender and small so had to adjust my hold unlike my fatter other revolvers. it was comfortably soft to shoot. stopping power aside, i understand how 32 was popular back then. the sights…well there really aren’t any, but with practice i will figure it out. i shot about 90 rounds into mostly 3-4” groups at 15-20’ but accuracy too isn’t the point.

i simply love how it feels so mechanically solid, knowing that a colt craftsman hand-assembled each one in a golden era of american growth. i love it being 100 years old, made in the year of my paternal grandparents’ marrage (then recent polish/lithuanian immigrants), and my maternal uncle’s birth (he was kia in april 1945). it looks and acts like the revolver that colt was once, at the top of handgun heap in the 1920s (due apologies to s&w fans, me included).

sorry this isn’t much of a technical review, but what love affair is technical?

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Very nice and these days that’s a “stole it like a pirate” price.
 
Howdy

Very nice. Be careful with those hard rubber grips, they are brittle.

In 1905 Colt patented the Positive Lock which ensured that the hammer could not strike a cartridge unless the hammer had been drawn all the way back, in either single action or double action mode. All Colt revolvers made after that, whether they had the Positive name or not, incorporated the Positive Lock hammer block.

This Police Positive 32 shipped in 1917, the year after my Dad was born.

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This photo of a Police Positive Special shows the hammer block in position between the hammer and the frame, blocking the hammer from moving forward any more.

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In this photo, the hammer block has been pulled down so the hammer can fall all the way to fire a cartridge.

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This is the caliber marking on my Police Positive 32. Of course, Colt did not want to mark their revolvers for the 32 S&W Long cartridge, so they marked it for their version, the 32 Colt New Police.

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The two cartridges were identical except the Colt round had a 100 grain flat nosed bullet while the S&W round had a 98 grain round nosed bullet.

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No sights? Of course it has sights. They are just very fine.

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When the Police Positive 32 was introduced, the 32 S&W Long, or 32 Colt New Police was a very common round for police to carry. In fact, when he was police Commissioner of New York City, Theodore Roosevelt standardized the side arms carried by his officers by ordering the earlier Colt New Police revolver chambered for the same 32 caliber cartridges.

But eventually Colt built a slightly larger version of the Police Positive chambered for the 38 S&W (not 38 Special) cartridge. A version of the 38 Police Positive was also made with a slightly longer cylinder that could chamber the longer 38 Special round. These were called the Police Positive Special revolvers.

This photo may help with identification of Colt Police Positives.The little 32 is at the bottom, the other two revolvers are Police Positive Specials. Sorry, I don't have a Police Positive chambered for 38 S&W, but it would be the same size as the Police Positive Specials, with a slightly shorter cylinder.

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The Police Positive Special was also chambered for 32-20, the one in the center of this photo is a 32-20, and the little Police Positive Target all the way on the right is chambered for 22 LR.

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driftwood johnson, thank you for the detailed writeup, and to everyone else for their nice comments. geodudeflorida is correct, it’s a police positive. i wasn’t sure if i had “done right” when i got this colt, now i’m sure that i did well. now i would love to find a colt police positive chambered in 22lr…

i sourced some 32 S&W Long 98 Grain Cast Lead Flat Point ammo from cavalryammunition.com, $34/50, free shipping for veterans. i will try it soon and report back.

about the grips’ brittleness, mine seem fine, but i don’t see any threaded screw if i ever need to remove and replace them. what am i dumbly missing? any other suggestions? thanks all!
 
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about the grips’ brittleness, mine seem fine, but i don’t see any threaded screw if i ever need to remove and replace them. what am i dumbly missing? any other suggestions? thanks all!

There was a threaded screw in the center of the grip. Here is my Colt Army Special with somewhat similar grips.

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Hopefully, Bubba didn't superglue your grips in place.

Try cleaning out that center depression and hopefully there is a screw head underneath.
 
about the grips’ brittleness, mine seem fine, but i don’t see any threaded screw if i ever need to remove and replace them. what am i dumbly missing? any other suggestions? thanks all!

Looking at your photo it appears somebody covered the screw with something. Perhaps epoxy? Look at the photos of my Police Positive 32 and you will see the screw head in the center of the left grip.

The old Hard Rubber grips tend to dry out and get brittle over time. Just be careful, do not whack the grips with anything and you should be fine.
 
Looking at your photo it appears somebody covered the screw with something. Perhaps epoxy? Look at the photos of my Police Positive 32 and you will see the screw head in the center of the left grip.

The old Hard Rubber grips tend to dry out and get brittle over time. Just be careful, do not whack the grips with anything and you should be fine.

thanks. gee, now i’m wondering if anything else was “bubba’d…” actually it all seems ok. i would love to have the side panels removed for a look-see and deep-cleaning but no way on earth i would attempt doing so and “if it’s not broken, don’t fix it.”
 
There seem to be a fair number of reproduction Police Positive grips (the original Police Positive, not the PP 38 or the PP Special) on Ebay. These are the ones at the top of the search results: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1155588291...zywN6C7CZHs+/QPbAt3wqM1aY=|tkp:Bk9SR_Skv5WAYQ

(I don't know how to make that any smaller. I just searched for police positive grips.)

I can't vouch for them, but at least stuff is out there. It would bug me to have glued-on grips, although I haven't got any reason they have to be removed on a gun like this.
 
If you want to remove the goop that is covering the screw, try taking a small, sharp woodworking chisel and see if you can carefully chip away at the stuff.

When you get it all off, back out the screw. If the grips do not fall off, thread the screw in slightly and very, VERY gently push down on the screw. The grip on the other side should pop off. Again, be very gentle the grips are 100 years old and have probably gotten brittle with age.

I bought some reproduction grips for a Merwin Hulbert a bunch of years ago from these guys.

These look to me like they might be correct for your 32 Police Positive.

https://www.vintagegungrips.com/shop/colt-police-positive-c-type/

Monac referred to these. They look like it might be correct for your 32 caliber Police Positive too. Can't tell precisely, but the overall shape looks correct.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115558829186?hash=item1ae7d7cc82:g:Y6wAAOSwc3ZUoJm-&amdata=enc:AQAHAAAAoBHecApmkbjLxJtBD0xra6aY9PAiFa9/nVaIVMgMop4YU2v5pMtJ0cCGegprP8PWIxMbNlsD/yZJPHLKUKyUMue5dEgS607qq9pQqrGdlWyBg1oucojUGN6elIQOdgK3op1/uPlk8ZpJLJlI8nD4nKCU/R1oiTk6F6RR7aklY9zhZJhwUIuoK//8RNyh0ZzywN6C7CZHs+/QPbAt3wqM1aY=|tkp:Bk9SR_Skv5WAYQ&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5336923787&toolid=10001&customid=58513X1360171Xc4c02da42fa907e936bac8d326304e63


These look to be originals:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/385144905886?_trkparms=amclksrc=ITM&aid=1110006&algo=HOMESPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=242765&meid=6bb3991a74b9461983474494f0e19439&pid=101195&rk=4&rkt=12&sd=115564745513&itm=385144905886&pmt=1&noa=0&pg=2047675&algv=SimplAMLv11WebTrimmedV3MskuAspectsV202110NoVariantSeedKnnRecallV5ItemNrtInQuery&brand=Colt&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851&amdata=cksum:3851449058866bb3991a74b9461983474494f0e19439|enc:AQAHAAABMJE7%2BNyUclXdoFXnbx3NvlJX7YMqFr8NJCcyHQud2Z04j2uZxgnHXbb2ZalpwbGsJ4D%2FcbSkMz8IpnsCPJ7ydREm8lqmL0kHB523%2FFCl%2BP6D7FzW6ktUV0tSbLnCp1n1R2ao%2FREQXDRjL98MkuxiUjb08f6ro9N5bomXxudY6AMrbvE8nRB8Gc06o8U0ADrLQEXAJgytpEuIW4pJucX%2Fpw%2FP3tHSebhQN2ktNSEjka4bIYj5jaU2N19FgVwFhkqJH1tR4T47NHymPPixf6jEyEe7ud1jDZK8T%2Bp%2BN6hp%2BK4h%2BrFPbxJERQ04%2B0zQBWeKvvDtajY3uirWAZEqbwMbZUWEw89ke3D%2FaW2KwG4hjw%2FV4Yz2Z%2F%2BgtgC5YiCMGK0fLz0x5ooed%2FOomvsXUpZnZto%3D|ampid:pL_CLK|clp:2047675

Or, you might just want to leave well enough alone.
 
For as well made as they were back then, the awful sights don't appeal to me, yet I've got a Pocket Positive on the list and that's more to do with the small size than anything else. For as much as I love the H&R top breaks, the .32 Longs that are built on .38 S&W frames are not small and not as strong as a solid frame. I'd have no issue shooting full power .32 Long in the top break if needed, but it wouldn't be like the Pocket Positive, which would be fed with them exclusively.

I don't mean to start drifting onto another topic, but for as much of a .32 fan as I am and don't have an issue relying on .32 S&W (short or long) for self defense, my thinking has been that .32 S&W Lg. leaves a lot to be desired in terms of power. Yes, a wadcutter has the ability to penetrate to the necessary depths to stop an attacker, but I like more power and .32 Mag is nice in that regard. The problem there is the S&W offerings in that chambering are horribly expensive, I don't like the SP101, Charters are a total crapshoot on quality, and Taurus/Rossi can be hard to find, but affordable.

Really the answer then is step up to .327 and get an LCR or Taurus snub.

The point I'm getting to is I find it hard to justify paying $500 for a vintage Colt or S&W .32 Long regardless of condition because of the lack of power and the issues we're dealing with today in lack of primers or ammo. At least the $500 I spend on an LCR .327 nets me significantly more power and also more ammunition options given it can chamber two (three if you include .32 ACP) cartridges .32 S&W Longs cannot.

For $300 tho, that's a darn tootin' good price for a well made Colt.
 
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