dogtown tom
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Like I said, REB has a better idea.
NICS Delayed has anyone actually tried a UPIN?
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Which is just your opinion.
The feds did get information on all CCW permit holders when the state of Missouri handled all CCW permits. That was done by some bureaucrat without permission. Our state laws where changed to prevent any and all information from being released.
Agree to disagree or ignore me. It does not matter one bit.
dogtown tom
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Enjoy your NICS delays.
I would rather not.
Well I don't get NICS delay's since I do have a UPIN. The only time I did get a delay was back in April 2020 when the NICS system was overwhelmed. The other two instances was when the clerk forgot to input my UPIN into the system.
kimberkid
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I tried to buy a Savage 17HMR yesterday in Nebraska and was delayed … although Nebraska is reciprocal with Kansas for concealed carry, they aren’t for making a purchase.
To the best of my knowledge, I already have a UPIN … it’s called a Social Security Number, which I include.
I’ve been buying firearms for 44 years, I’ve got 26 NFA items ranging from suppressors, SBR’d and machine guns.
I got my CCW Permit because I was tired of the unpredictable occasions of being delayed.
And the government wants me to get yet another number that they can’t keep track of?
NO!
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To the best of my knowledge, I already have a UPIN … it’s called a Social Security Number, which I include.
I’ve been buying firearms for 44 years, I’ve got 26 NFA items ranging from suppressors, SBR’d and machine guns.
I got my CCW Permit because I was tired of the unpredictable occasions of being delayed.
And the government wants me to get yet another number that they can’t keep track of?
NO!
</rant off>
Anchorite
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Interesting. I wonder what information in the CCW scheme the Feds actually got.
The entire list of every CCW holder in the state was given to the feds. This included all information to include name, address, etc. While the feds can get that info easily from federal tax records, it was the simple fact that a list of all CCW holders was released without permission.
Anchorite
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So when a purchaser came into a LGS to purchase a firearm, he/she just flashed their CCW and no check was conducted?
What if Bubba had a warrant out for domestic violence? The ncic system would reflect that, but his CCW permit that is 2 years into his 5 years would not, unless someone did a background check, correct?
Yes that can happen in states that CCW permits are allowed for bypassing the NICS check. Missouri's permits do not qualify for the NICS exemption though.
Outlaw75
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Only if it gets reported in a timely manner.
Sutherland Springs church shooting - Wikipedia
Anchorite
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That’s my point. The system is only as good as those reporting into it. And I tend to think a CCW as an exemption to a on-spot background/check is a system designed to fail.Only if it gets reported in a timely manner.
Sutherland Springs church shooting - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Outlaw75
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Can't say I disagree with you, but at one time having to wait to have a NICS done vs. being able to just show a CCW was a real bone of contention in the gun community.
dogtown tom
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did you read the article in that link?
If you didn't, you missed this:
"Kelley purchased the semi-automatic rifle used in the shooting from an Academy Sports + Outdoors store in San Antonio on April 7, 2016.[67] He filled out the required ATF Form 4473 and falsely indicated that he did not have a disqualifying criminal history. In Texas, an FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) check is required at the time of purchase for all firearms except for purchasers with a valid license to carry a handgun.[68][69]
The State of Texas denied his application for a license to carry a handgun.[56][67] No license of any kind is required to purchase firearms under Texas state law.[65]"
The Texas LTC didn't fail.
FBI NICS didn't fail.
The Air Force DID.
They failed to relay the court-martial convictions to the FBI. In a statement admitting the oversight, the Air Force said, "Initial information indicates that Kelley's domestic violence offense was not entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database by the Holloman Air Force Base Office of Special Investigations."
In order to qualify for an exemption to the Brady Law, a states firearm permit must meet certain requirements. Part of that requirement is an FBI background check initially, then no less than every five years. Thats why "lifetime" permits don't qualify as a NICS exemption.
dogtown tom
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To qualify as an exemption to the Brady Law requiring an FBI NICS check, the issuing agency is required to run the FBI NICS check on persons applying for a state firearm permit.
Just like every other FBI NICS check that includes:
Full name
State of residence
Place of birth
Height/Weight/Sex
Birthdate
Social Security Number/UPIN
Ethnicity & Race
Country of citizenship
That's it.
The residence address is not collected if the background check status is a "proceed". If delayed or denied the FBI NICS will ask for the residence address.
