Norinco 1911 pawn shop find

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I've been half-seriously looking at getting another 1911 lately to accompany my Springfield Loaded. This time I wanted a more plain jane GI type pistol. I've been looking into RIA, Tisas, Auto-Ordnance, etc. I was planning on ordering online. I wanted to keep it around $450.

On a whim I stopped by a pawn shop chain which recently started selling guns, and happened upon a used Norinco sitting behind the glass. It looked and felt good, seemed to function correctly, and I've heard good stuff about Norinco quality in the past, so I bought it. Price was $429 before tax, with one Mecgar 7-round mag. It did not have the box or manual, but decent condition examples on Gunbroker are listed between 600 and 800 bucks, so I think I got a decent deal.

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After getting it home and comparing to original condition Norincos shown online, I realised the previous owner(s) have modified it in several ways. The finish on the factory Norinco looks like a matte blue, and this gun has a gray color, like parkerized but not dull... yet not really polished either. I think it might be duracoat or cerakote.

The gun also has some non-GI style parts, like the trigger, slide stop, manual safety, and beavertail grip safety. I noticed this before buying, but was unaware until looking further into Norincos that they don't come this way. I will be "downgrading" with GI-type components. Especially don't like the extended aftermarket slide stop... with thumbs-forward two-handed grip the engagement pad on the slide stop digs hard into my skin. No good. I may keep the aftermarket safety though, it feels good and is easy to use. The Magpul grips are some I had laying around and threw on the gun, it actually came with some ugly wooden ones with big fat checkering design and a light and dark stain pattern. I'm ordering some traditional style double diamond checkered wood grips for it.

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The trigger on this gun is excellent... easily as good as the broken-in trigger on my Springfield. Lightish and crisp. Very satisfied on that front.

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Slide to frame fit is sloppy and rattly, but I kind of like that. It feels like it could get dirty as hell and keep running. The barrel to bushing to slide fit is actually fairly tight however, so I'm expecting decent accuracy.

Something I didn't know about until I got the gun home and took it apart... the design of the barrel link is unfamiliar to me. It has an angled cut on it that I don't know the purpose of. At first glance I was afraid it was broken or something, but it's definitely shaped that way by design. If any of you can explain this to me I would appreciate it.

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I will post an update after I get some rounds through the gun. Thanks for reading!
 
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That is the link for a Dwyer (now Wilson) Group Gripper.
If complete, there will be a spring protruding from the rear of the recoil spring guide to engage the notch in the link and hold the barrel up into engagement.
 
Jim, the gun has a traditional short guide rod. Any harm to using this barrel link without the complete system?

Thank you for the information.
 
Congrats on this find. I have a Norinco 1911A1 which is a great shooter by any measure. These guns are widely used as a frame for custom 45's. Mine is unmodified and will remain so. The basic unmodified Norinco 45's are usually going for more than $500 on GB.
 
I agree,that is a link from a Dwyer Group Gripper. I can't see any reason why it would do any harm using it.

Nice find.
 
I don't know anything about the link or other aftermarket parts, but I think I would have bought that 1911 in a heartbeat.

Everything I have read about the Norinco 1911s (at least, from reputable sources) has been positive.

My only experience with one was 5-6 years ago. I took a co-worker to the range and let him shoot one of my 1911s. Shortly thereafter, he wanted one. :)

His brother, half a country away, offered him a Norinco that was "shot out". He took delivery and he took it to the range, and then told me it wouldn't hit anything.

I took it home, looked in the barrel and found a smooth bore. After a good cleaning, nothing wrong with the barrel...just a bunch of lead. Cleaned it up, returned it, and he's been very happy with it ever since.

I love a happy ending. And so did he.
 
Thanks for the insight, guys.

I shot it today at my local indoor range, and was mostly satisfied. I fired 50 rounds of Federal aluminum case FMJs, and it shot those nice and smooth, no hangups.
I tried to go slow and shoot carefully but the gun's excellent ergonomics and silky, light trigger made me instinctively shoot faster and faster, often getting only rudimentary sight pictures. Still, got a couple of decent groups on the NRA B29 silhouette. All shots are at 7 yards.

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On the negative side, I fired 8 rounds of Remington-UMC jacketed hollowpoints and 1 failed to feed. The cartridge didn't make it all the way out of the magazine, and it looked like the edge of the hollowpoint mouth caught on the bottom of the barrel feed ramp (throat?).

I've read that when you field strip a 1911 and lay the barrel in the frame, there should ideally be a 1/32 (I think) gap between the top of the frame ramp and bottom of the barrel ramp. On my Norinco the barrel ramp seems to overhang the frame ramp a microscopic amount. Not sure what caused this, although I suspect a previous owner polishing the frame ramp with a dremel and too much enthusiasm. I don't know if there is a solution for this.

Oh well. I guess this will be my ball ammo gun for now. It certainly handled FMJ very well.
 
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You might want to try different HP ammo as well as getting a couple of new magazines to see if that might be help fix the feed problem. Let us know how things go with it at your next range session.
 
I'm still banging my head about passing on a new in the plastic one at my local shop last year. Think they got $600 for it on gunbroker
 
I was under the impression that new Norincos weren't allowed to be imported and sold in the US anymore? Something about being Chinese-made weapons and importing outlawed a few years ago. Am I mistaken? Probably heard that on a 1911 forum once.
 
It would be interesting to observe the effect of the functional group gripper.
 
I was under the impression that new Norincos weren't allowed to be imported and sold in the US anymore? Something about being Chinese-made weapons and importing outlawed a few years ago. Am I mistaken? Probably heard that on a 1911 forum once.
That's true, rondog, the Norinco 1911's and other Chinese guns have not come in since some time during the Clinton Administration. They barred them on some technicality or other; I can never remember what it was.
 
The Clinton ban had something to do with China human rights violation so any firearm from government own entities were ban . Norinco is state own. I am not sure this is 100% correct. I bought mine in 1993 for $250 at the pawn shop outside Ft.Hood,Texas .It is awesome .45 .I have read that thirty years prior China made this M1911 copied to secretly supply the Hookalabahub communist insurgents in the Philippines but the Marcos regime crushed the rebellion .It is plausible story but may be some one yanking my chain
 
Trigger, thumb safety and slide release are aftermarket parts. The grip safety may be also. It does not appear to be the factory job.

These are very good guns and you got this one at a decent price.

A friend who is a gunsmith told me that the Nork was a faithful clone of the Colt manufactured M-1911A1. The one that he tricked out for me is my absolute favorite 1911.

FYI, Millett makes decent front and rear sights that fit the existing stake-hole and dovetail. If the gun shoots good, I would not consider any other mods than maybe better sights.
 
Wow! Great find OP, I here the Norinco 1911s are good and quite reliable.

God knows they can make a sweet SKS!
 
Congratulations on the find. The pawn broker didn't know what he had. Those Norincos are a treasure.
 
I got my parts in from Midway and did my customizing. Ended up replacing recoil and hammer springs (Wolff factory weights), mainspring housing (Colt), trigger (Swenson), slide stop (Springfield), grips (Hogue goncalo alves), and grip screws (Swenson). All parts dropped in with no drama.

Here are some post-reassembly photos. I really like this so much better, a lot closer to the old GI style that I prefer. And the grips are amazing, they feel as good as they look... nice sharp checkering that hangs on to you.

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Congrats on the Norinco. I purchased a well used but decent one last year. Accuracy and group size were less than desirable. Installed the Group Gripper and noticed consistent groups. Accuracy was still not satisfactory. Did my measurements and ordered / installed EGW angled bushing. Jumped for joy with the improved accuracy. Put poor 1911Tuner through the mill w/ my zillion questions. As always, he demonstrated great patience and I believe, for his own comfort and my pistol's reliability / functionality, had me do another measurement or two of the barrel to top of slide space (at the forward edge of port). This was in response to the angled bushing and the Norinco barrel having a consistent diameter end to end (I think). It measured to specs and for me, at least, all turned out well. I also had an intermittent issue with erratic extractions and a once in a while FTE. In my case, I noticed the extractor easily clocked both directions due to a sloppy firing pin stop. Just being a shooter, I hesitantly but with slow determination fit an oversized flat bottom EGW fps to the pistol. Put just a kiss of a radius on the bottom of the fps. Could not have asked for better results. Have fired several hundred rounds of basic 230gr. fmj with no issues. Finished it off with all new springs and some rubber grips.

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I like that factory Norinco! Definitely closer to what I was looking for to begin with. But I do enjoy the journey of customizing this pistol to get it closer to an old issue forty-five.

I will eventually swap for the original-type thumb safety and grip safety like you have there. Just keeping my eye out for a good deal on quality reproductions or military surplus components.
 
Nice find. Wonder what happened to the Group Gripper guide rod? FWIW I have been running one in my SA 1911 for 25+ years now. It does make a measurable reduction in group size.
 
Cryin' shame we can't get them new anymore. Current price in the free state of Canada is 299.99.:banghead:
 
the gun has a traditional short guide rod. Any harm to using this barrel link without the complete system?

None what-so-ever. I tried a "Wilson Group Gripper" when I was young and foolish, did piddly squat as far as I could tell.

I do know there is no harm to using the link as when the link on my first RIA broke I replaced it with the "group gripper" link in my junk drawer -- that was some 12,000+ rounds ago.
 
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