Dgreno
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ok all, I just took a new job that does not allow "the carrying of weapons of any kind". What should I do? should I carry and not say anything?
Not allowed to carry at new job...
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rxraptor02
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I would not.
chances are you took the job due to better pay/benifits etc...
I would not want to mess something like that up.
chances are you took the job due to better pay/benifits etc...
I would not want to mess something like that up.
The Law
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That could also get awkward when interviewing for a new job.
"So, why did you leave your last job?"
You'll quickly find out if they have a no guns/weapons policy.
"So, why did you leave your last job?"
You'll quickly find out if they have a no guns/weapons policy.
Big Calhoun
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I wouldn't as a matter of principle. Anti-s already see most gunowners as now-law abiding cowboys. Take the high road and show them better.
But, God forbid, if anything were to 'happen', you do have an obligation to point out the error of their ways...
But, God forbid, if anything were to 'happen', you do have an obligation to point out the error of their ways...
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that's not necessarily true. you don't know what will happen. I'd say at the very WORST, that's what would happen unless you happen to work in a designated weapon free zone. the LEAST that could happen is nothing or the boss says, "well, i'm ok with that".
Or, he/she says: "ok, only warning. don't do it again."
yes, you could be fired but i doubt it could get "worse" than that.
I have worked for my company for 11 years and they've just instituted a "No-guns" in the workplace policy 
Lucky for me, my office is in a multi-office complex and my company doesn't control the parking lot, so my gun legally stays in my car.
However, even if my company owned the parking lot, I would still leave my gun in my car. There is an on-going debate (including a new bill in congress) about the rights of an employer to prohibit guns being kept in cars on his property. I for one, firmly believe that my employer's rights end where they infringe upon my 2nd Amendment right of self-defense.
Lucky for me, my office is in a multi-office complex and my company doesn't control the parking lot, so my gun legally stays in my car.
However, even if my company owned the parking lot, I would still leave my gun in my car. There is an on-going debate (including a new bill in congress) about the rights of an employer to prohibit guns being kept in cars on his property. I for one, firmly believe that my employer's rights end where they infringe upon my 2nd Amendment right of self-defense.
Oh well, I guess your family could use your tragedy for our cause... 
RNB65
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It's difficult to CCW full time without being discovered occasionally. Can you afford to be unemployed?
Exmasonite said:
Then we disagree...
If a company has a policy that says NO weapons of ANY KIND... I highly doubt that if caught, the boss will say as you theorized... "Umm duh... I guess I'm okay with that" unless maybe you work for Homer Simpson.
If it is as the OP stated no weapons of ANY KIND... showing up to work with a handgun.. is probably not a good idea...
As stated before, most likely, at a minimum he's fired... maybe a breach of Contract lawsuit, maybe a hard time finding another employer...
To doubt that a simple loss of employment with no other ramifications is the "worst" that could happen.. is quite naive, to say the least.
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You miss the point I was trying to convey. I don't agree with the policy either. AAMOF, I'm also subject to that same policy at my company and absolutely abhor it. But, IMO, it does me more good to represent gun owners by following others ridiculous rules rather than playing into the old stereotypes and going against them. At the same time, if I were to hear of something that could have possibly been prevented, I would make sure those that need to know and can change the policies here about it. I mean, if you want to take it to extremes; YES, I would rather have an obit that read 'innocent crime victim' than see a story in my company security newspaper that reads 'illegal gun carrier...'.
I am sure that this is an extremely stupid response/question.
So if my company, currently, finds my CCW in my car (it is locked and in the glove box) and it is their property > they could fire me if they state in the handbook that they can search my car?
So if my company, currently, finds my CCW in my car (it is locked and in the glove box) and it is their property > they could fire me if they state in the handbook that they can search my car?
30 cal slob
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glock 26 in a crotch holster.
don't ask don't tell.
don't ask don't tell.
Big Calhoun
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Yes and no. On the face of it, yes, if that's their policy, you could be terminated. Now, you're in Texas (as am I) and that's where the potential No comes in. As I understand it, part of the Castle Doctrine that goes into effect on Sept 1st is supposed to exempt employee parking lots. So even if your company says you can't carry on premises, their parking lot would be exempt. If you were fired, I believe the law is supposed to call for your reemployment and back wages.
I for one am waiting for the law to become active so I can question my security department as to what the protocol will be. Our handbook currently states no weapons in buildings, lots, company vehicles, or even locations where firearms are permitted but you're there on company business. Although, I'm imagining some type of negative response. I love my company and the building I work at...the 'No Firearms' sign (not even a legally binding 30.06) sits on the receptionist desk facing AWAY from the entrance. IMO, that just gives me additional clues that everything we do here is backwards.
MD_Willington
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the carrying of weapons of any kind
So they hire headless, limbless bodies...
Kidding... just keep a nice 3 or 4 D-Cell maglight in your cubicle, you know in case the power goes out...
So they hire headless, limbless bodies...
Kidding... just keep a nice 3 or 4 D-Cell maglight in your cubicle, you know in case the power goes out...
badman3374
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Weapon Policy
We have the same policy here at my job. We get free parking but are not allowed to keep a gun in cars. So I pay for off property parking and keep a gun secured in the car. The issue of "weapon" came up when a(new)security officer wanted to know what was cliped in my pocket. I told him it was a knife. We ended up in the HR office with my boss, the head of Scurity and the HR manager. My point was it was not a weapon but a tool I use everyday and have carried for more than 20 years on the job. It was discussed for more than half an hour and since I presented myself in the best possible light it was decided that a knife is a tool. Thank godness Ernie Emerson make great tools like the CQC7 folder. I think if they knew what CQC stood for it might have been a problem : > )
We have the same policy here at my job. We get free parking but are not allowed to keep a gun in cars. So I pay for off property parking and keep a gun secured in the car. The issue of "weapon" came up when a(new)security officer wanted to know what was cliped in my pocket. I told him it was a knife. We ended up in the HR office with my boss, the head of Scurity and the HR manager. My point was it was not a weapon but a tool I use everyday and have carried for more than 20 years on the job. It was discussed for more than half an hour and since I presented myself in the best possible light it was decided that a knife is a tool. Thank godness Ernie Emerson make great tools like the CQC7 folder. I think if they knew what CQC stood for it might have been a problem : > )
jerkface11
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Several people have stated that the worst possible outcome from breaking this rule is to lose you job. From the way they talked that would be the end of the world. What's the worst that could happen if you need a gun and DON'T have it due to their policy? I think that's a better question.
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You mean to say that you didn't bring that up in your talk?!?
I agree with crownroyal.
...by that, I mean to do whatever it takes to prevent being made. If that means leaving your gun in your car, do that. If you are so practiced at concealment that nobody will ever find out, then you are free to do what makes you feel most comfortable. Maybe your conscience dictates that you follow the rules, or maybe your feelings on personal safety allow you to conceal.
Dgreno
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WOW!!
Thanks for all the responses.
I made the mistake of asking the HRM about the policy. DOH! His response was "O GOD! You dont have a gun on you do you?!?!" To which I replied no. (it was in my car but did not tell him that) He said "Not on your person, In your locker, or in your car in parking lot." I understand that loud and clear but (hopefully someone can help me here) I thought that in VA, "No Guns" places could not say anything about LEAVING it in your car. I did not see anything in the policies about keeping a eweapon in your car.
BTW, Ill be darned if im parting with my knife!!
This whole thing makes me nervous.
Dave
Thanks for all the responses.
I made the mistake of asking the HRM about the policy. DOH! His response was "O GOD! You dont have a gun on you do you?!?!" To which I replied no. (it was in my car but did not tell him that) He said "Not on your person, In your locker, or in your car in parking lot." I understand that loud and clear but (hopefully someone can help me here) I thought that in VA, "No Guns" places could not say anything about LEAVING it in your car. I did not see anything in the policies about keeping a eweapon in your car.
BTW, Ill be darned if im parting with my knife!!
This whole thing makes me nervous.
Dave
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Yep, this is why you never want to ask questions like that. At a minimum, he has made a mental note that you are a risk.
MD_Willington
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Not the end of the world, but it would mean I'd have to pack up and leave the USA and head back to Canada... where you're pretty much not allowed to have firearms anywhere
The Amigo
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Gun in parking lot
I believe some cases have arised as far as people losing their jobs and winning court cases since a persons vehicle interior is considered an extension of their house or some crap like that and companies have lost court cases however this may vary from state to state I will try to find this info and post.
I believe some cases have arised as far as people losing their jobs and winning court cases since a persons vehicle interior is considered an extension of their house or some crap like that and companies have lost court cases however this may vary from state to state I will try to find this info and post.
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