Not Good: Off-Duty Policeman shoots Mom and 8 yr Old

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Before everyone gets all lathered up, just remember: There are two sides to every story. You rarely see both sides in the media. Especially in SoCal. Especially regarding LE. Especially regarding use of force. Especially regarding firearms in any context.
 
Before everyone gets all lathered up, just remember: There are two sides to every story. You rarely see both sides in the media. Especially in SoCal. Especially regarding LE. Especially regarding use of force. Especially regarding firearms in any context.
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I agree completly, but in this case its not the media only telling one side of the story. Its the DA doing that, by blocking the release of info form the SD.

I'm not passing judgement on the what happend or the media. Just stating that when your only given one side of the story, that is what most people are going to beleave what happend.
 
If we had to wait for the Facts, every discussion board on the IntraWeb would shut down.

Seems like facts are being treated more like statistics these days anyway: very pliable.
 
I agree completly, but in this case its not the media only telling one side of the story. Its the DA doing that, by blocking the release of info form the SD.
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The difference is that the media doesn't have to follow due process when they're "trying" the case. They can pretty much run with whatever they want to and no one can hold them accountable. I'm waiting for the true story to come out.

A rose by any other name...
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So, if he's black are you going to use that other "name"?
 
Hi 41magsnub,

Very tolerant of you...

Now tell me this, had the mother shot the LEO would you be taking the same stance?

Here it is, if that LEO's superiors believed the guy acted in self defense there would have been a press conference every hour on the hour. So far... we don't have enough information...


Selena
 
The difference is that the media doesn't have to follow due process when they're "trying" the case. They can pretty much run with whatever they want to and no one can hold them accountable. I'm waiting for the true story to come out.
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If it had not been an off duty cop, would the DA have blocked the info being released?

The media is held accountable, in civil court.
 
Hi 41magsnub,

Very tolerant of you...

Now tell me this, had the mother shot the LEO would you be taking the same stance?

Here it is, if that LEO's superiors believed the guy acted in self defense there would have been a press conference every hour on the hour. So far... we don't have enough information...


Selena
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How very low road of you. I am merely reserving opinion until I know what actually happened. Were you there? Do you know what happened exactly? I didn't think so. If the cop is in the wrong he should be punished accordingly. How would you like it if you were in a situation where you had to use deadly force justifiably but in the court of public opinion you were getting fried? Not saying that is what is happening here, but it is possible and don't know means don't know. You might learn from that.. it's healthier.

Of course.. I forgot you are the automatic cop basher on this forum. NVM.. drive on.
 
To me the term 'redneck' is a person that tends to resort to violence at any slight, real or imagined. I'll save black and white labels for the libs.
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The problem, Selena, is that your definition of the term is not the accepted definiton within our society. It would be nice if I could re-define numerous terms that have been used to detrimental and career-ending effect in our society. Yet, such derogatary terms are not evenly scrutinized equally.

Such is one more symptom of the cognitive dissonance in our society. Derogatory language is only acceptable if it points towards a group that you are not vested in.

This, among other uses, became an awareness for me after spending a year working in NYC.

I normally agree with your viewpoint often, but I think that you have fallen into the same trap a majority of our society has in terms of what is acceptable and what is not. In this, I feel you are dead-wrong-- but if it is any consolation, you are not alone--even on THR.

Either everything is OK, or Nothing is OK. I'd frankly be happy with everything being OK, but until it is, I will happily draw attention to the double-standard. (Not that I would personally ever choose to use derogatory language towards any group. Its not my style, and I feel it would diminish me in my own eyes.)

Its rather funny. I've seen certain words referred to on THR (and everywhere else) by their first letter. Recently, we saw a thread on THR where a guy was chewed apart for using sexist language regarding Hillary. And yet, how often do we see this-- and see it unchallenged?

I'd encourage you to read Jim Goad's The Redneck Manifesto if you would really like to examine the history of this topic. Hell, when I get my copy back, I'll be happy to loan it to you.


-- John
 
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White is on routine administrative leave with pay while the incident is investigated.
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I during my younger years have lost a position for being late....I don't get a paid vacation to think about how much productivity is compromised when I'm late. My opinion, when the civilian is the "BG" they tell you all the dirt they have on him / her immediately.

Looks like someone needs sometime to get creative but hey all things being relative I could be wrong.
 
To me the term 'redneck' is a person that tends to resort to violence at any slight, real or imagined. I'll save black and white labels for the libs.
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I'm curious as to how you developed/learned this definition.


That being said, need more info, but looks like a bad shoot.
 
The media is held accountable, in civil court.
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And how often does that happen? Besides, they have a whole amendment to hide behind while gleefully encouraging the notion that the 2nd doesn't apply to today's society.

It would appear you do not know the diff between a redneck and a hillbilly. I'd throw in the term ridge runner but that would probably confuse you beyond repair.
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Nice dodge. There are lots of other derogatory terms that you might use to refer to people you see as inferior. Why aren't you using them? Why is this guy automatically a redneck when you know nothing of his background? What if he's a bad tempered chinaman?
 
I wish this thread could get off the redneck, black, white, definitions, and all that stuff.

This thread is about a shooting. I think it's interesting and very topical, and I hope we get more facts soon.

Let's take a deep breath and carry on like ladies and gentlemen.
 
There are lots of other derogatory terms that you might use to refer to people you see as inferior.
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Actually a ridge runer would have a higher status than a hillbilly.

I gave my def of a 'redneck' it is you that insists on racial epithets. Once again, in my veiw a redneck is a person that tends to use indiscriminate violence.

What if he's a bad tempered chinaman?
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Are you saying that a Chinese isn't a person?

Selena
 
Hi Vern Humphrey,

It would appear you do not know the diff between a redneck and a hillbilly. I'd throw in the term ridge runner but that would probably confuse you beyond repair.
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I know that "redneck" is a derogatory term often applied to us, and we find it offensive when used as you used it.

How would you feel if I said, "Your attitude is just what we would expect from a Californicator?"
 
recently in MN we had an incident where a CCWer got targeted by a road rager who ended up being a cop, and who fired and hit the cop to defend his family then fled to the closest police station to report the incident. In that one the cop rallied around their brother officer only to learn he was the instigator and operating outside his jurisdiction on some personal vendetta case against a 3rd party.


This one my gut tells me may be legitemate. Video of mom's interview here
http://www.videowired.com/video/?id=3831706602

Note: she claims she doesn't remember what started the incident. Fishy. Second, she does remember him indentifying himself as cop, she just claims it was after shooting. Fishyx2, details after you get shot are going to be more fuzzy than before. Bulletwounds do not improve memory.

Further, often times in a road range situation, both parties will do a few things wrong, minor things. Flipping the bird, etc. These things do NOT justify lethal force, but in my experience those who admit to these minor mistakes are usually being truthful. Those who claim to be absolutely totally innocent who did absolutely nothign but keep their hands at 2 and 10 and smile, they sound false.

Also, she says because he fired 5 times he should be charged with attempted murder. Lady, the FIRST shot was an attempt to stop you with deadly force. He was ready and willing to kill you right then, no change after 4 more. No, it is irrelevant that you were unarmed, and it is irrelevant that your son (who is 8) is "JUST A BABY"

Also, she reports memory lapses during the incident. This tells me someone who goes into a rage and basically blacks out, or some serious drug usage at the time of the incident. (She has 2 DUI convictions and no licence, chances of her being stoned or drunk at the time greatly increased beyond normal joe schmo)

Both support the idea of a crazy woman going wild.

"I put the car in reverse and tried to move away" This is either a smart fleeing tactic if the off duty officer didn't identify himself yet or it is what got her shot as she attempted to run over her adversary. A car IS a deadly weapon.


all this was caputred on camera at Lowes so good chance of a speedy cleanup once she sees the tapes and backs down. If those tapes were indicatinga problem, we'd be hearing a lot more.

Also, note, mom does not take any responsibility for driving without licence, she had to do it, it was her son's fault he needed to be picked up, and she is the only one, so it is also the fault of her family, baby-daddy, and all the boyfriends who have dumped her.
 
I gave my def of a 'redneck' it is you that insists on racial epithets.
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That's what JWarren pointed out in his excellent post. Your definition isn't the same as others' definition. Redneck = white for the vast majority. If you can't see that, there's nothing further to be gained from talking to you.

Back OT, I'll wait for the actual facts of the case to come out before I call anyone a "bad tempered" anything. In all events, a child was injured and that certainly is a bad thing.
 
Mr Warren,

The problem, Selena, is that your definition of the term is not the accepted definiton within our society. It would be nice if I could re-define numerous terms that have been used to detrimental and career-ending effect in our society. Yet, such derogatary terms are not evenly scrutinized equally
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This is why when someone that doesn't realize my way of looking at things asks I tell them the def I'm using. If they insist that I am using their def after clearly stating I am not it reveals their bigotry not mine.

Selena
 
"Wait for the rest of the story". Sure. Like ANYTHING that comes out later will mitigate an off-duty cop shooting a young woman and her son in the context of a parking flap!

Maybe the mom was holding an Uzi, and the child was about to lob a hand grenade...
 
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