Now we look incompetent
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Sound advice. A recruiter has no way of knowing if the armed individual walking up to their door is there to protect them or shoot them.
USAF_Vet
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At first glance, it appears so. Although, if it's OAL is greater than 26" it's a firearm, and can have a vertical grip. Silly that a 25 and 7/8" pistol can not have a vertical grip, else it become and AOW under the NFA, but add a fraction of an inch to 26 and 1/8" (or even less, as long as its 26"+) and it becomes a mere firearm. But, that's gun laws for you, written by those who know nothing about them.
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Quite true. However, until they are allowed to defend themselves, their only option is still call the police and hide under their desks.
I'm not surprised by this, though. These self appointed saviors, guardians of the watch, don't instill inspiration although they smell of perspiration.
Sorry, I'm not a poet. They probably mean well, but I have a hard time getting on board with this cause.
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Right after 911 when the airports across the country were teeming with police and guardsmen, there was a news article about a soldier accidentally discharging his gun while trying to unload it.
Nobody said the recruiters aren't allowed to defend themselves. Apparently two of the Chattanooga recruiters DID.
Big Boy Rules. Think Fight Club. You don't announce you are armed when you are trying to deescalate the opportunity costs of selecting a target.
These are people looking to award themselves a new self esteem trophy. Pretty much the same thinking as the terrorist who would go up against them. They are just more bodies in the crossfire and no real benefit. It should be obvious their thinking has no real tactical security planning whatsoever.
They are not needed, or wanted, except by the terrorists to window dress their attempts and make their glorious exit all that much better.
Hopefully it will all blow over quicker than the news cycle.
If you believe that they make us look incompetent, please consider that they are apparently part of who you think you are. Not who I think I am. Sorry you have that self image.
Big Boy Rules. Think Fight Club. You don't announce you are armed when you are trying to deescalate the opportunity costs of selecting a target.
These are people looking to award themselves a new self esteem trophy. Pretty much the same thinking as the terrorist who would go up against them. They are just more bodies in the crossfire and no real benefit. It should be obvious their thinking has no real tactical security planning whatsoever.
They are not needed, or wanted, except by the terrorists to window dress their attempts and make their glorious exit all that much better.
Hopefully it will all blow over quicker than the news cycle.
If you believe that they make us look incompetent, please consider that they are apparently part of who you think you are. Not who I think I am. Sorry you have that self image.
Double Naught Spy
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People have always been incompetent. The only difference today is that we have news and information about such events that spreads fast and wide.
Dave P
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An awful lot of vitriol out there, for some men showing active support for the armed forces. Lighten up, I say.
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Hmmmmm.....
Don't these people have jobs?
The answer to this question may be very telling.
(Wren and Stimpy might not be the best pair to represent the armed citizenry)
Don't these people have jobs?
The answer to this question may be very telling.
(Wren and Stimpy might not be the best pair to represent the armed citizenry)
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zb338
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Whatever you do, don't give guns to the Military. You
can't trust them with firearms. Look at all the people
they killed in WW1 and WW2.
Zeke
can't trust them with firearms. Look at all the people
they killed in WW1 and WW2.
Zeke
That was at the Reserve, not recruiting. Very different.
OptimusPrime
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It's not my cup of tea, but why is this audience attacking the actions of these few? It's pretty similar to an open carry rally or any other form of activism. Not precisely, but similar. An ND is unfortunate but part of the odds that we all face, whether at the range or in our bedroom or the arms room or getting out of our vehicle. Don't blow it out of proportion.
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The press will always exploit the actions of those that are the lowest common denominator. It's sad to see the same from those in our camp as well but we see it over and over again. To most I think piling on these mental rejects makes us feel mentally superior.
While I agree that most of what we see is show and put on by some who probably have nothing better to do (trust me there are gun owners sucking at the teat of the gov with the time to do this without missing a beat).
There are also thousands out there who have and are simply making adjustments in their day to day lifestyle that wait and watch and while they may not be able to completely avert tragedy they are prepared to engage to stop it.
A good example would be the two that armed themselves and were able to at least take the fight back to the terrorist.
While I agree that most of what we see is show and put on by some who probably have nothing better to do (trust me there are gun owners sucking at the teat of the gov with the time to do this without missing a beat).
There are also thousands out there who have and are simply making adjustments in their day to day lifestyle that wait and watch and while they may not be able to completely avert tragedy they are prepared to engage to stop it.
A good example would be the two that armed themselves and were able to at least take the fight back to the terrorist.
Looks as though we have two types of individuals showing up at these recruitment centers. Vets and social media trolls. A negligent discharge can happen to anyone. It was bound to happen. I was wondering if these guys know that they could be picked off from blocks away. It's a nice gesture, but come on folks. I think this just adds to an all ready tense situation
People were killed last week at a reserve center. Someone very easily could have been killed at this recruiting station. To the person on the receiving end of the bullet, the fact that the sender's "heart was in the right place" is of little comfort. Instances such as this suggest that the knee-jerk reactive cure could be as lethal as the poison. That's calling it what it is; not blowing it out of proportion.
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Ohio Gun Guy
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5 people didnt die......
TimSr
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When you weapon for defense is carried in a way that your hands are on it other than for when you're using it is an accident waiting to happen. There is a reason they make you put your gun down and step back at a firing range cease fire. Nothing is foolproof, but with an unhandled holdstered pistol, you are less likely to have an accident than one being carried in your hands, especially like teh photo with finger on teh trigger.
^^^ Agreed. Whatever one thinks of holstered open carry of sidearms, carrying of loaded long-arms in crowded/populated areas is just stupid. With a pistol, you can avoid a great deal of risk by putting it in a holster at the beginning of the day and then not fooling with it until you get home at night. With a rifle, you're fooling with it constantly. You're also pointing it places you don't want a bullet to go. You're going to muzzle people around you. It's idiocy.
JR47
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The day after the Chattanooga incident, a recruiter in Athens, Ga. shot himself in the thigh. Under the exact same "show me your gun" scenario, with another recruiter.
Where are the inane and negligent comments from the peanut galley here about that? There has been ONE, count it, ONE ND out of all these people. Apparently, Ren and Stimpy are as careful as any of the "experts" calling them names.
Listen to yourselves. You're easily as bad as anything Bloomberg sponsored propagandists ever spewed. Want to bet that there aren't anti-gunners trolling these very pages, looking for such feeble-minded talk? Want to see your vitriol spread across anti-gun pages, proving that "even gun owners think this is dangerous".
Walt Kelly, in that Pogo strip was absolutely correct. "We have met the enemy, and HE is US" applies oh so well here. So does a Forest Gump quote. "Stupid is as stupid does."
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
Where are the inane and negligent comments from the peanut galley here about that? There has been ONE, count it, ONE ND out of all these people. Apparently, Ren and Stimpy are as careful as any of the "experts" calling them names.
Listen to yourselves. You're easily as bad as anything Bloomberg sponsored propagandists ever spewed. Want to bet that there aren't anti-gunners trolling these very pages, looking for such feeble-minded talk? Want to see your vitriol spread across anti-gun pages, proving that "even gun owners think this is dangerous".
Walt Kelly, in that Pogo strip was absolutely correct. "We have met the enemy, and HE is US" applies oh so well here. So does a Forest Gump quote. "Stupid is as stupid does."
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
How do people get this information wrong? There were no deaths at the Recruiting Center. The terrorist drove up and never got out of his vehicle and just sprayed the entrance glass. The deaths were at the Reserve Center where he crashed the gate, exited the vehicle, entered the building and went through to the fenced motor-pool area and killed 4 Marines. On the way through the building he killed one of the USN sailors.
To what end are the antis trolling these pages?
And what, specifically, is feeble-minded about calling out irresponsible behavior of gun owners that is actually happening? Clearly, we're not making this stuff up out of thin air. Would you have us ignore actual events as if they weren't true? Not police ourselves, inviting others to step into that role?
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