Billy the Kid
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By the way to whomever mentioned it, i am a liberal Democrat, union worker... and im in the NRA and a gun lover.
NRA Member stereotypes
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Guess who this THR member is. HINT: he is in my back yard last September shooting Labgrade's hand-cannon.
Dean Speir
Member
You want "racist?!? I got your "racist" right here!
This link is entirely germane then: Have a little fun at the NRA convention… and how thoughtful of columnist Mike Seate to provide his own image for reference.
What stereotype did the SOB miss?
This isn't even subtle… the writer is an ignorant racist. That's pure hate in there, and if a white man penned that and somehow managed to get it published, he'd be out of a job.
Sure gonna feel welcomed in Pittsburgh this weekend!
This link is entirely germane then: Have a little fun at the NRA convention… and how thoughtful of columnist Mike Seate to provide his own image for reference.
What stereotype did the SOB miss?
This isn't even subtle… the writer is an ignorant racist. That's pure hate in there, and if a white man penned that and somehow managed to get it published, he'd be out of a job.
Sure gonna feel welcomed in Pittsburgh this weekend!
sturmruger
Member
Wow Billy you are all over the map. I love to see liberals join THR. I have always been conservative, but after joining THR I am becoming more of a libertarian. I still vote republican because I don’t like the dems much, and they are as conservative as you can find.
Billy the Kid
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to quote my friend:
him: "youre some weird swirl of left and right, like an old school hardass workers rights Democrat or something"
hehe. I have alot of righty issues im for, im pro gun, somewhat religious, anti abortion and stuff like this, i want the government NOT involved with my life as much as possible... but i also do beleive in keeping giant corporations in check so they cant abuse workers, making sure middle class and lower class people have decent wages and medical care for thier families..
Im basically pro Union.
him: "youre some weird swirl of left and right, like an old school hardass workers rights Democrat or something"
hehe. I have alot of righty issues im for, im pro gun, somewhat religious, anti abortion and stuff like this, i want the government NOT involved with my life as much as possible... but i also do beleive in keeping giant corporations in check so they cant abuse workers, making sure middle class and lower class people have decent wages and medical care for thier families..
Im basically pro Union.
Diggler
Member
Wolfy
Back to your post, here's what I think.
She is asking questions and is curious, that means she is wanting to validate or invalidate her prejudices about the NRA. Here's my advice...
Keep going to the restaurant, make sure you're always dressed nicely and continue to talk to her about everything, guns or not. Work your shooting pasttimes into conversations. Get to know her and let her get to know you. You might be one of the first 'known' NRA members she's met, so in this case "You ARE the NRA." Take advantage of it and let her know what great people most NRA members are.
Back to your post, here's what I think.
She is asking questions and is curious, that means she is wanting to validate or invalidate her prejudices about the NRA. Here's my advice...
Keep going to the restaurant, make sure you're always dressed nicely and continue to talk to her about everything, guns or not. Work your shooting pasttimes into conversations. Get to know her and let her get to know you. You might be one of the first 'known' NRA members she's met, so in this case "You ARE the NRA." Take advantage of it and let her know what great people most NRA members are.
Penforhire
Member
C. Heston may not be the most appropriate front man if the NRA wants to appeal to moderates. But regardless, the world is divided on many axes. The guns-are-good vs. guns-are-bad axis is just an easy one and anti's must hate the NRA.
Hutch
Member
Mike Seate is as ignorant as he is condescending. I think I'll go tell him that. Right now.
Duke of Lawnchair
Member
Just my boxers.
Wolfy
Member
Thanks for all the responses I feel better knowing that this is a fight we all share. I am not going to bother trying to educate her because she just isn't going to be open to any suggestions.
TarpleyG funny how the only word I misspell is educated
I didn't even catch it. But from what I see oh this group at THR as well as other shooting forums we are a very tolerant, polite group eager to help others see the light.
TarpleyG funny how the only word I misspell is educated
I didn't even catch it. But from what I see oh this group at THR as well as other shooting forums we are a very tolerant, polite group eager to help others see the light.general
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Fallacy Of Composition:
assuming that a whole has the same simplicity as its constituent parts. In fact, a great deal of science is the study of emergent properties. For example, if you put a drop of oil on water, there are interesting optical effects. But the effect comes from the oil/water system: it does not come just from the oil or just from the water.
Another example: "A car makes less pollution than a bus. Therefore, cars are less of a pollution problem than buses."
Another example: "Atoms are colorless. Cats are made of atoms, so cats are colorless."
Another example: "I don't see any white people in this 7/11. This 7/11 must discriminate against white people."
Another example: "I don't see any "people of color"* at this non-mandatory gathering of like-minded individuals. This voluntary assemblage of people is a group that harbors racist attitudes against "people of color".*
*"people of color" being any color of your choosing.
Check Fallacy Of Composition:
Also:
Argument By Generalization:
drawing a broad conclusion from a small number of perhaps unrepresentative cases. (The cases may be unrepresentative because of Selective Observation.) For example, "They say 1 out of every 5 people is Chinese. How is this possible? I know hundreds of people, and none of them is Chinese." So, by generalization, there aren't any Chinese anywhere. This is connected to the Fallacy Of The General Rule.
Similarly, "Because we allow terminally ill patients to use heroin, we should allow everyone to use heroin." Or "Because I don't see any minorities present, there are no minority members."
It is also possible to under-generalize. For example,
"A man who had killed both of his grandmothers declared himself rehabilitated, on the grounds that he could not conceivably repeat his offense in the absence of any further grandmothers."
-- "Ports Of Call" by Jack Vance
Thus:
Argument By Selective Observation:
also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers. Or, the claim "Technology brings happiness". (Now, there's something with hits and misses.)
Casinos encourage this human tendency. There are bells and whistles to announce slot machine jackpots, but losing happens silently. This makes it much easier to think that the odds of winning are good. You never see any 300 games in televised bowling tournaments. Therefore, there are no 300 games bowled. Well, there could be a hundred 300 games bowled, but we just haven't seen them in the televised bowling tournament we watched because the bowlers didn't make it to the TV round.
There are so many things like this that people use without being aware of the fallacy of their argument.... I like that, and since that is my argument I'm sticking with it.
Having a position on any topic is a warm, comfortable feeling. Makes you feel secure that you DO know your position on THIS topic. Because I "KNOW" the NRA is redneck, racist, KKK organization for anti-social lunatic fringe spree killers and anarchists, (?) - I don't "HAVE TO" use MY intellect to sort through these tiresome facts and figures to arrive at a conclusion based solely on my own thought process, moral judgment and personal values. I'll just repeat what I have heard. Oooh.. I get such a warm feeling when "I JUST KNOW FOR A FACT" that this is my position. I don't know where I got it though. But it's MINE! MINE! MINE I tell you!!!!!
assuming that a whole has the same simplicity as its constituent parts. In fact, a great deal of science is the study of emergent properties. For example, if you put a drop of oil on water, there are interesting optical effects. But the effect comes from the oil/water system: it does not come just from the oil or just from the water.
Another example: "A car makes less pollution than a bus. Therefore, cars are less of a pollution problem than buses."
Another example: "Atoms are colorless. Cats are made of atoms, so cats are colorless."
Another example: "I don't see any white people in this 7/11. This 7/11 must discriminate against white people."
Another example: "I don't see any "people of color"* at this non-mandatory gathering of like-minded individuals. This voluntary assemblage of people is a group that harbors racist attitudes against "people of color".*
*"people of color" being any color of your choosing.
Check Fallacy Of Composition:
Also:
Argument By Generalization:
drawing a broad conclusion from a small number of perhaps unrepresentative cases. (The cases may be unrepresentative because of Selective Observation.) For example, "They say 1 out of every 5 people is Chinese. How is this possible? I know hundreds of people, and none of them is Chinese." So, by generalization, there aren't any Chinese anywhere. This is connected to the Fallacy Of The General Rule.
Similarly, "Because we allow terminally ill patients to use heroin, we should allow everyone to use heroin." Or "Because I don't see any minorities present, there are no minority members."
It is also possible to under-generalize. For example,
"A man who had killed both of his grandmothers declared himself rehabilitated, on the grounds that he could not conceivably repeat his offense in the absence of any further grandmothers."
-- "Ports Of Call" by Jack Vance
Thus:
Argument By Selective Observation:
also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers. Or, the claim "Technology brings happiness". (Now, there's something with hits and misses.)
Casinos encourage this human tendency. There are bells and whistles to announce slot machine jackpots, but losing happens silently. This makes it much easier to think that the odds of winning are good. You never see any 300 games in televised bowling tournaments. Therefore, there are no 300 games bowled. Well, there could be a hundred 300 games bowled, but we just haven't seen them in the televised bowling tournament we watched because the bowlers didn't make it to the TV round.
There are so many things like this that people use without being aware of the fallacy of their argument.... I like that, and since that is my argument I'm sticking with it.
Having a position on any topic is a warm, comfortable feeling. Makes you feel secure that you DO know your position on THIS topic. Because I "KNOW" the NRA is redneck, racist, KKK organization for anti-social lunatic fringe spree killers and anarchists, (?) - I don't "HAVE TO" use MY intellect to sort through these tiresome facts and figures to arrive at a conclusion based solely on my own thought process, moral judgment and personal values. I'll just repeat what I have heard. Oooh.. I get such a warm feeling when "I JUST KNOW FOR A FACT" that this is my position. I don't know where I got it though. But it's MINE! MINE! MINE I tell you!!!!!
High school science teacher, mother, grandmother, union member, Master's degree in two months, suburban living, flower-tending, station wagon driver.....
Life member NRA, shooter, certified instructor - heck, here's my wedding cake from December, 03....
The one on the left was his, the one on the right my wedding present from him... well, one of them... the other was a .44....
Life member NRA, shooter, certified instructor - heck, here's my wedding cake from December, 03....
The one on the left was his, the one on the right my wedding present from him... well, one of them... the other was a .44....
Partisan Ranger
Member
I break stereotypes -- I've got the only Honda Civic on the road (that I've seen) with an NRA sticker (3, actually!), and a Peace Through Superior Firepower sticker.
cracked butt
Member
I ran into this for the first time about 6 years ago. My manager took my department out for lunch one day and a couple of VP's of our company came along with. I was wearing a Turtleneck with a NRA logo on the neck of it. One of the VPs noticed it and asked what it was- I told him NRA. He said "where's the white hood that came with it?"
I was so taken aback and insulted that I couldn't even talk.
I was so taken aback and insulted that I couldn't even talk.
Mornard
Member
I'm getting too old to continue explaining to idiots that don't want to hear me anyway. I'm starting to be satisfied with just being feared...
NRA Life Member...
NRA Life Member...
JackShandy
Member
http://students.washington.edu/tbailey/boondocks/
I stopped reading 'Boondocks' a while back because of the NRA series of strips. Talk about sterotypes. If there was irony or sarcasm in there, I missed it. It was just too over the top.
I stopped reading 'Boondocks' a while back because of the NRA series of strips. Talk about sterotypes. If there was irony or sarcasm in there, I missed it. It was just too over the top.
Detachment Charlie
Member
If a waitress said that because I was in the NRA and carried a weapon, I must be a killer. I'd tell her that because she's a woman with a vag***, she must be a hooker .
That usually doesn't lead to any long term relationships, good coffee or large tips.
That usually doesn't lead to any long term relationships, good coffee or large tips.
Treylis
Member
Neva: dig the cake.
Seconded. I really wish the NRA didn't compromise like it does.
Ah, why am I not surprised to see that in "Boondocks"? I read it sometimes--it's in the ASU State Press--but I never saw those before.
In any case, representations like that just sicken me. Has anyone perhaps written to the author of the strip in an (almost certainly futile) attempt to correct their viewpoint?
Seconded. I really wish the NRA didn't compromise like it does.
Ah, why am I not surprised to see that in "Boondocks"? I read it sometimes--it's in the ASU State Press--but I never saw those before.
In any case, representations like that just sicken me. Has anyone perhaps written to the author of the strip in an (almost certainly futile) attempt to correct their viewpoint?
BerettaNut92
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NRA?
"And they were all yellow" --Coldplay
Except Dr Jones.
"And they were all yellow" --Coldplay
Except Dr Jones.
Duke of Lawnchair
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COMSEC
Skunk,
We're all operators!
Good job on the COMSEC editing.
JIJO
Skunk,
We're all operators!
Good job on the COMSEC editing.
JIJO
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