NY Proposes a Law Exempting Retired LEO's

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All these talking points are true but one hasn't come up yet about retired LEO's!
There is a culture of vendetta against them by criminal elements when they are released from prison.
As a retired LEO I am always looking over my shoulder because of this element. I am by no means paranoid but the fact is that it does happen.
You knew this was a possibility when you signed up for the job. You shouldn't be asking for special privileges now because of it.

I don't think current officers, much less retired officers, should be allowed anything private citizens aren't. It's just a job. You ain't special.
 
There are several reasons, one of which is they lobby better than you do.

As a retired NY peace officer, I'll offer this: when I retired, my agency made me get rid of every pistol I owned with the exception of my duty weapon. They were able to hang this sword over my head for not complying: You require what is known as a "good guy" letter from your agency when you retire in order to get a pistol license. This says you're not crazy, weren't kicked out, and were in gun carrying status when you retired, thus eligible for a concealed carry license. No letter, no license.

So now you only have your service gun when you retire. Don't know if all agencies did this, but mine did. Officers were pissed that the one gun they allowed you, the magazines were now not compliant. By the way, in my agency, I had to buy all my own equipment, including weapon, magazines, carry ammo, etc.

While I realize many civilian shooters are highly trained, LEO's are documented in their training, have for the most part shown some restraint over their careers, have a working knowledge of the law, and are thought by some to be an asset to law enforcement even while retired.

So, not saying it's right, but there you have it. And to get back to my first comment, they know how to lobby, which is really what it's all about.
That has got to be the most asinine thing I've ever heard of, and I've heard quite a few. It couldn't possibly be legal.
 
All these talking points are true but one hasn't come up yet about retired LEO's!
There is a culture of vendetta against them by criminal elements when they are released from prison.
As a retired LEO I am always looking over my shoulder because of this element. I am by no means paranoid but the fact is that it does happen.
what about people that testify against criminals or someone that called 911. what about DAs judges etc. oh I forgot police are way above the unwashed masses
 
NOBODY should be exempt, creating a caste system of "more equal animals".

Cops shouldn't be exempt, active OR retired.

One law for all, or none at all.
 
In my job selling steel toe safety boots, I have encountered several individuals who were armed.
There were a couple open carry people. There were a couple carrying concealed (some who I spotted but who were unaware their pistol was showing).
The one who scared me was a retired Cleveland police officer. His credit card said "check ID" on it. When he showed me his ID, his CCL was also visible, as was his "brother badge".
When I said something, he showed me his Glock 26 on his belt. He then started talking about the rowdy, disrespectful teenagers in his apartment building, finishing with "you'll read about me in the news one of these days"...
Yeah...retired cops should get a free pass to carry...riiight.
 
Retired cops must be exempt from a high cap limitation. I've seen them shoot. They need all the extra rounds they can get. The rest of us need a decent gun and body armor.
 
I'm a retired LEO, and I also have CCW permits for California, Arizona and Texas. These allow me to go armed in all states except those few that I would never want to go to anyway. Retired LEO "exemptions" are not much more than a backhanded way to impose additional training and registration requirements for people who are basically civilians, regardless of how they want to view themselves. An LEOSA CCW, for example, requires annual requalification through a law enforcement qualification course, whereas with the civilian CCW it's five years. And the last time I checked, a retired LEO has no special powers of arrest, etc. anyway.
 
I'm a retired LEO, and I also have CCW permits for California, Arizona and Texas. These allow me to go armed in all states except those few that I would never want to go to anyway. Retired LEO "exemptions" are not much more than a backhanded way to impose additional training and registration requirements for people who are basically civilians, regardless of how they want to view themselves. An LEOSA CCW, for example, requires annual requalification through a law enforcement qualification course, whereas with the civilian CCW it's five years. And the last time I checked, a retired LEO has no special powers of arrest, etc. anyway.
if you are retired I guess you are 45 years old
 
As a peasant living in the "Peoples Republic of Illinois" I too have need of self protection. I have read the 2nd Amendment several times, and can't find the references to "Aristocrats, politicians, and retired law enforcement officers". I only see the word PEOPLE. No special treatment for favored classes. :cuss:
 
There are several reasons, one of which is they lobby better than you do.

As a retired NY peace officer, I'll offer this: when I retired, my agency made me get rid of every pistol I owned with the exception of my duty weapon. They were able to hang this sword over my head for not complying: You require what is known as a "good guy" letter from your agency when you retire in order to get a pistol license. This says you're not crazy, weren't kicked out, and were in gun carrying status when you retired, thus eligible for a concealed carry license. No letter, no license.

So now you only have your service gun when you retire. Don't know if all agencies did this, but mine did. Officers were pissed that the one gun they allowed you, the magazines were now not compliant. By the way, in my agency, I had to buy all my own equipment, including weapon, magazines, carry ammo, etc.

While I realize many civilian shooters are highly trained, LEO's are documented in their training, have for the most part shown some restraint over their careers, have a working knowledge of the law, and are thought by some to be an asset to law enforcement even while retired.

So, not saying it's right, but there you have it. And to get back to my first comment, they know how to lobby, which is really what it's all about.
I hear you say that it's not right, but you sure seem to have an awful lot of reasons why it's good or necessary. Yet another reason so many people have issues with so many officers; arrogance and elitism. I don't care if your training comes with a nice piece of embossed paper with a shiny gold star for Christ's sake! The Constitution says nothing requiring such a frivolous "qualification." I'm going to go remind myself why I never became and officer (I met too many of them).
 
N.Y Retired Law Enforcement

Theres alot of police officers in New York which in return means alot
of votes. Phoney Politician at it again.
 
LEO is not a special class. If you have a clean background and and are willing to do the job, you can become one.
I get that...but not everyone has the DESIRE to do so. I have no interest whatsoever in becoming a police officer. Does my lack of interest mean I don't deserve the same RIGHTS as someone who does? I understand PRIVILEGES being a perk of certain jobs, but RIGHTS should be universal, and not dished out to certain groups while being denied to others. In terms of the proposed legislation, it DOES create a special class. One's RIGHTS are NOT based on PROFESSION
 
It doesn't end with firearms. Have you ever read the caveats regarding switchblade knives? Most sites will not sell them to you unless you are police, firefighter, EMT, etc. Seems that they've created a class of "super citizens" of which I am not a member.
 
^^ and to further:

Nobody denies that a retired LEO should be able to carry.

Thoughtful people just think that *everyone else* should enjoy the same rights.


Willie


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I hear you say that it's not right, but you sure seem to have an awful lot of reasons why it's good or necessary. Yet another reason so many people have issues with so many officers; arrogance and elitism. I don't care if your training comes with a nice piece of embossed paper with a shiny gold star for Christ's sake! The Constitution says nothing requiring such a frivolous "qualification." I'm going to go remind myself why I never became and officer (I met too many of them).

Yes, I did say it wasn't right. I also offered possible reasons why they might have been exempted. I didn't in any way put down non police officers, so I'm having a hard time understanding why you choose to attack with name calling.

You don't want to be a cop, fine, but no need to cast aspersions. You met some you didn't like, well, I've met some I didn't like either, same for some citizens, but I don't think you can rationally say an entire group is bad because of a few miscreants you come in contact with.

Sorry the proposed bill didn't include everyone, but sometimes it helps just to get a foot in the door, with the idea of widening it later.

By the way, I no longer live in NY, so this would not benefit me personally. I'm sure this will be a comfort to you.
 
It's just the way politicians divide and conquer. They use the drivel about 'special training' and all that just to sell their legislation, that's all.
 
Some will say it's just semantics but I think it has deeper meaning and I have noticed it in more than one LE/ret.LE post in recent years. They separate themselves from we "civilians" the same as the term "peace officer" changed to " law enforcement".
I didn't grow up in a big town so maybe there hasn't been a difference there but I know in rural America there has been a change in the last 30 yrs to an us against them and this sense of entitlement is IMO just an extension of it.
 
In Chicago this is standard, reward a Union or voting group with special treatment in order to secure their support. Eventually 95% of the people lose something so the politicians and favored groups can gain. I support LEOs, but they are no more deserving than any citizen to have the right to bear arms.
 
Yes, I did say it wasn't right. I also offered possible reasons why they might have been exempted. I didn't in any way put down non police officers, so I'm having a hard time understanding why you choose to attack with name calling.

You don't want to be a cop, fine, but no need to cast aspersions. You met some you didn't like, well, I've met some I didn't like either, same for some citizens, but I don't think you can rationally say an entire group is bad because of a few miscreants you come in contact with.

Sorry the proposed bill didn't include everyone, but sometimes it helps just to get a foot in the door, with the idea of widening it later.

By the way, I no longer live in NY, so this would not benefit me personally. I'm sure this will be a comfort to you.

You are correct on several things and I do owe you an apology; I do not know you personally and have no idea if you are arrogant or an elitist. Your statement struck me as such and I derived an opinion of you based off of it, something that was not fair and for that I apologize.

Secondly, and perhaps it is simply a product of location, but officers around my neck of the woods as a whole definitely fit a very easily defined template which includes arrogance and elitism so forgive me for "stereotyping" the law enforcement community as a whole (although I still maintain that the average officer fits these two adjectives).

Third, I DID want to be a cop but changed my mind when I realized that I either A) wouldn't fit in or B) didn't want to become like them. Again, this is a reference to the officers in my area whom can't stand to speak with a peon like myself because, after all, I'm just a lowly citizen. I was disappointed by this realization/decision but hey, that's alright; perhaps it just wasn't meant to be. I have moved on to a different career.

Fourth, I can see where you're coming from concerning this being a step in the right direction and "getting a foot in the door" but I strongly disagree. Rather, I see it as yet another case of government elitists legislating themselves into a superior class than the citizenry is proffered (think Bloomberg - a complete disgrace to the political system but unfortunately the new norm as well). As you (correctly) stated; it's a means to attain votes. It is NOT, however, an example of a legislature's epiphany or changing of it's ways as far as a citizen's right to bear arms is concerned, in my opinion.

Lastly, I find no comfort in knowing that, due to your current location being outside of NY, you won't profit from this bill. I have no problem with retired LEOs carrying a firearm (in fact, I think that they definitely SHOULD carry a firearm). I simply have a problem, and a very large one at that, with a state extending a right as defined by the Constitution of the United States to its retired agents but not to the citizenry as a whole, that is all. Unless you are a violent person or have any felonies, I hope that you CAN carry.

p.s. Perhaps my parting-punch at officers was inappropriate, perhaps not. Either way, it would behoove current officers to hear it and advise that they could be MORE effective (via an increase is citizens help/aid) as well as SAFER if they changed their attitudes and outlook on their position in life versus the common citizen's. That is, they are NOT better than we are. In fact, they are supposed to protect and serve US. Being a United States citizen is a very special class in and of itself IMO. What more do they need before they regard us with respect?
 
did you ever notice how many retired police there are? it seems like there are 6 billion of them lol. I guess when you could retire at 45 and bankrupt every state local govt the numbers do add up quickly
 
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