Phil DeGraves
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That's right. When they start rounding up all the Jews, if you are not a Jew, don't worry about it...
Why worry about it? Maybe because IT"S WRONG!
Obama AR-15
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That's right. When they start rounding up all the Jews, if you are not a Jew, don't worry about it...
Why worry about it? Maybe because IT"S WRONG!
If you don't have a defensive rifle, then buy an AR. If you already do, then it really doesn't matter. I guess one more added to the bunch can only help them become in "common use".
Regardless of if you have one or not, if a ban is passed, we all lose. We cannot let that happen, for the sake of those who want them after us. Who cares if I have one if my future son/daughter will not be able to share in my freedom?
It's not about the guns, it's about the right to own them. Again, if we lose that right, we all lose.
Regardless of if you have one or not, if a ban is passed, we all lose. We cannot let that happen, for the sake of those who want them after us. Who cares if I have one if my future son/daughter will not be able to share in my freedom?
It's not about the guns, it's about the right to own them. Again, if we lose that right, we all lose.
Grayrider
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Personally I think he will be eager to come up with any sort of "feel good" issues he can to distract the sheeple from the fact that he has no policies that can really help the economy. An AWB may be very high on his list, along with a long list of other hokey laws designed to keep "change" coming and voters eyes off their shrinking wallets.
Also never forget that the most extreme anti-gun politicians on the left HATE gun owners. To them gun owners represent a solid block of voters that will NEVER vote for them, so they do not care what they do to us. They want to pass stricter gun control laws just to stick it to people they hate. I would say there are a few other interest groups the left feels the same way about such as religious conservatives, but they do not feel as free to act against them because it is not as well received by the public. After all gun control laws make us all safer, right?
John
Also never forget that the most extreme anti-gun politicians on the left HATE gun owners. To them gun owners represent a solid block of voters that will NEVER vote for them, so they do not care what they do to us. They want to pass stricter gun control laws just to stick it to people they hate. I would say there are a few other interest groups the left feels the same way about such as religious conservatives, but they do not feel as free to act against them because it is not as well received by the public. After all gun control laws make us all safer, right?
John
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McCain or Obama, it matters not!
If you want any type of weapon you think could hit the ban list, do it now. McCain is a bigger gun grabber than Obama. Don't believe me, look at his voting record. Also check out the McCain gun show bill.
If you want any type of weapon you think could hit the ban list, do it now. McCain is a bigger gun grabber than Obama. Don't believe me, look at his voting record. Also check out the McCain gun show bill.
Kind of Blued
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EdLaver said:
Because I live in America where I have the right to keep and bear firearms and I'm very protective of it because I realize that losing it is the best way to send this country down the crapper. The Constitution and Bill of Rights weren't written with the idea of them applying only to those who were alive when it was written. There are Americans that don't exist yet who will be interested in firearms, but guess what, they still have the right to keep and bear arms, unless we lose it for them because "we had all of the stuff we needed".
But it sure would be easier to do that in the future after 30 years of nobody buying a gun, nobody shooting their guns, gun owners dying, and their guns being melted by the government. Notice none of those things oppose the "keeping" or "bearing" of arms.
I might someday hope that my kids could enjoy these sports, with these tools, and could keep themselves from being murdered in their own homes. Now if the rules are we are only allowed to care about ourselves, I could think off well over 300 guns I would like to own before I die. I'm not sure I'll be able to buy them all in four weeks.
Good for you. It sounds like you're set. Is it ok if the government bans ammo and reloading components for your 6.5mm Creedmor rifle too? You'll get to keep your gun since you have the right to keep and bear arms, of course.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, rather, trying to make you think. An outright ban on ownership of firearms is not an overnight thing. It takes a lot of little steps and these steps have been occuring for almost a hundred years.
An "assault weapons" ban is a BIG step. One that you and I need to fight with everything we've got because we're not fools, and we see where this is heading.
aspade
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McCain is hardly a friend of ours but he doesn't even approach Obama's level of anti-gun radicalism. Obama has voted or voiced his support for a ban and confiscation of all semi-auto rifles, all handguns, all centerfire rifle ammunition, closing all gun stores within 5 miles of a public place... Sarah Brady herself isn't a bigger gun grabber than Obama.
Beren
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You can find some decent deals right now at various locations. I've already bought a few new rifles, magazines, and other accessories as a hedge against an Obama victory. If he loses, I can sell off the "excess" later next year at little loss in value. I call it "Obama Insurance." The loss is just the premium on the insurance!
(Or my wife forgets what I bought and I get to keep them!)
I'm planning to add a few more rifles, lower receivers, and magazines prior to the election if things look bad for McCain.
Anyway, in an effort to keep this "on topic" and away from politics, consider these your Beren-approved options for an Obama AR-15.
1. Colt 6920
2. Colt 6520
3. LMT upper on a quality lower receiver (Anvil, Stag, Double Star, etc) & parts kit, with a Bravo Company bolt group.
Add magazines (DSG Arms has some good deals going), and some ammo.
(Or my wife forgets what I bought and I get to keep them!)
I'm planning to add a few more rifles, lower receivers, and magazines prior to the election if things look bad for McCain.
Anyway, in an effort to keep this "on topic" and away from politics, consider these your Beren-approved options for an Obama AR-15.
1. Colt 6920
2. Colt 6520
3. LMT upper on a quality lower receiver (Anvil, Stag, Double Star, etc) & parts kit, with a Bravo Company bolt group.
Add magazines (DSG Arms has some good deals going), and some ammo.
NonConformist
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We have Heller which says a weapon 'in common use at the time' cannot be banned, so no more AWBs (hopefully) and even id they do it will take months for it to go anywhere if it even makes it out of committe
Id say choose carefully, and dont rush out blindly before November
Id say choose carefully, and dont rush out blindly before November
elvis christ
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While there is a possibility that gun control isn't at the top of Obama's "to do" list, just because he doesn't talk about it at length doesn't mean anything, it'd be silly to think that he wouldn't sign the first piece of gun control legislation that came across his desk. We do have a Democrat controlled congress that has been drafting new legislation recently.
Actually barrel oil is down substantially from where it was earlier this summer. When our econ slows, or in this case craters, so do others and so does world demand.
But prices are still out of control due to the devalued dollar... thanks to the spendarama of this adm. It's the invisible tax you can do little about until it's too late.
This Adm's Nixonian approval numbers are shameful!
The worst in Pres history! Kinda like everything he touched turned to "mud"Lovin' my guns is one thing.......... Lovin' my country trumps all else!
CRITGIT
"Even if I wanted to take your guns, I don't have the votes in congress to do it" - Barack Obama
keep in mind this: in six years, CCW and carry rights jumped to over 40 states. The EBR market became an actual market. Heller got the ball rolling for the future of gun rights (although we're still close to the slippery slope), and the conservative Democrats have alot to lose (their jobs) if they vote for an AWB.
However, in another six years, Barack could have the votes needed to ban all things semi-auto, the SCOTUS make-up could change and deny incorporation somehow, the liberal state's ideas can cross over to neighboring states, CCW could become federally run and licensed, making it inconvenient like it is in places like NY, and the NRA could go bankrupt from lobbying due to the economy, and a terror attack involving AKs and ARs bought from Joe Jack's gun shop could happen on the White House lawn.
There is a good thing with every bad thing. Don't run around about the sky falling, but get what you want now while you can now, and while you can now affordably.
keep in mind this: in six years, CCW and carry rights jumped to over 40 states. The EBR market became an actual market. Heller got the ball rolling for the future of gun rights (although we're still close to the slippery slope), and the conservative Democrats have alot to lose (their jobs) if they vote for an AWB.
However, in another six years, Barack could have the votes needed to ban all things semi-auto, the SCOTUS make-up could change and deny incorporation somehow, the liberal state's ideas can cross over to neighboring states, CCW could become federally run and licensed, making it inconvenient like it is in places like NY, and the NRA could go bankrupt from lobbying due to the economy, and a terror attack involving AKs and ARs bought from Joe Jack's gun shop could happen on the White House lawn.
There is a good thing with every bad thing. Don't run around about the sky falling, but get what you want now while you can now, and while you can now affordably.
savage116
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Hi, I am 13 going to be 14 a week from today. When I was a kid [5,6,7,8,9] Neither me or my father were into shooting. Now he has multiple pistols and rifles.
I am a hard worker [not the typical teenager] and am very mature for my age. Due to my work ethic I have made some pretty good money. I now have around $800.
So every time I talk about buying a firearm or start a thread on hear talking about a gun I want to buy or already bought the gun is legally my dads but when I am older and move out it is coming with me because he bought the gun I wanted with my money but in his name.
All that aside I would like to buy an AR-15, Saiga 308 a kel-tec plr possibly an AK. I would also like to buy some pistols for CCW when I am older. I am mad/worried because I may never have the chance to purchase these types of firearms. I will end up buying something but I can't buy everything I want before the election. So to some on here saying just buy it now and don't worry about the ban I would just like to say that some are not that financially well off or aren't in the position to do this.
I am a hard worker [not the typical teenager] and am very mature for my age. Due to my work ethic I have made some pretty good money. I now have around $800.
So every time I talk about buying a firearm or start a thread on hear talking about a gun I want to buy or already bought the gun is legally my dads but when I am older and move out it is coming with me because he bought the gun I wanted with my money but in his name.
All that aside I would like to buy an AR-15, Saiga 308 a kel-tec plr possibly an AK. I would also like to buy some pistols for CCW when I am older. I am mad/worried because I may never have the chance to purchase these types of firearms. I will end up buying something but I can't buy everything I want before the election. So to some on here saying just buy it now and don't worry about the ban I would just like to say that some are not that financially well off or aren't in the position to do this.
The issue is not another AWB. This will not fly in congress. Moderate Democrats will use Heller as cover and will not vote for it.
The big risk for gun owners is the Supreme Court Justices, the next president will appoint. We won Heller 5-4. One more left leaning judge and the decision would have gone the other way.
If Obama wins we will have to live with the left leaning justices which he will appoint the next 20 to 30 years.
The big risk for gun owners is the Supreme Court Justices, the next president will appoint. We won Heller 5-4. One more left leaning judge and the decision would have gone the other way.
If Obama wins we will have to live with the left leaning justices which he will appoint the next 20 to 30 years.
True, true. I agree 100%.
The problem is sellers are taking advantage of the consumers fear of the "impending doom and gloom."
Prices continue to soar. It's a Seller's Market and will continue to be.
Buy now or wait and pray McCain wins the election and prices level off or lower. If Obama wins...you ain't seen nothing yet (as far as prices go.)
My 2¢.
don't worry,most are just trying to scare people into voting for mccaine by saying obamas going to take your guns away.gun laws go back and fourth.buy the gun you want.not the gun thats in high demand.more immediate concerns would be food energy and a place to live.your a teen.enjoy your teen yrs.if what you want is a battle rifle then factor in cost of ammo.i just sold a rifle in 308 nato cause the cheepest junk ammo was 50 cents a bullet.i would get a rifle in 223 1st.its way cheaper.battle type ammo unlike guns is in short supply right now and not getting any better.
qajaq59
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Boy, if I only had a buck for every time I've said that.
Phil DeGraves
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The right answer was "I won't take your guns because as Americans, you have the right to keep and bear arms."
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