Obama calls on cabinet for Gun Control

[David White]

No law is forever if the people don't want it. Yes its easier to repeal if it has a sunset provision (because inaction is easier than action) but any AWB passed now could be repealed in a future session of congress and signed by a future president.

Well then! Why fight it if we can repeal it later....

RIGHT? Wrong. Name one gun law that's been repealed because the people didn't like it..... Take your time.

I'm not talking about laws from the 1700's , 1800, either.

 

[Sam1911]

Well... how about PROHIBITION? That wasn't just a law, that was a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT!

Now, for gun laws, there are many MANY states which have repealed their bans on carry and/or concealed carry of weapons in the last 20 years. Look up the animated map of CCW law reform and watch them roll.

Then the national ban on concealed carry in National Parks was reversed. Rules against firearms on AMTRAK, etc., etc.

So...yeah, laws get repealed fairly regularly.

 

[Zoogster]

'So...yeah, laws get repealed fairly regularly.'

Unfortunately when it comes to weapons and with an agenda based media after enough time with a restriction or ban in place people actually believe it has provided some safety or things would be more dangerous without it in place.
If they don't have recent time in thier own memory when it was not in place to reflect on and things were not much different. This means a generation that grows up with a restriction in place has a new sense of what is normal, and the media assures them that yes it would be worse if it was not in place. Politicians, and global organizations that want to restrict arms for other reasons, like pure control and centralizing power also assure them that yes it is what is keeping you safe.

It is a lot harder to repeal weapon laws than to keep them from passing in the first place.
It happens but it takes a much bigger movement to reverse a weapon law than to just prevent it in the first place.

 

[Sam1911]

Oh, certainly true. Much better not to have to fight for repeal...but it does happen. NEVER give up.

 

[phil dirt]

"A law will unlikely pass through the House. I believe Boehner can even keep a bill from going to a floor vote."

He could......... but would he??

 

[Prince Yamato]

Push hard against it and laden it with poison pills if it passes- open the machine gun registry, nation wide constitutional carry, etc.

 

[David White]

Well... how about PROHIBITION? That wasn't just a law, that was a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT!

Now, for gun laws, there are many MANY states which have repealed their bans on carry and/or concealed carry of weapons in the last 20 years. Look up the animated map of CCW law reform and watch them roll.

Then the national ban on concealed carry in National Parks was reversed. Rules against firearms on AMTRAK, etc., etc.

So...yeah, laws get repealed fairly regularly.

You know that prohibition was alcohol and not gun related.

It takes a CON CON to repeal or remove or re-write an amendment.

Trust me, if the new AWB passes with a total ban on particular weapons, it will be heck to repeal it!

I prefer not to have any type of ban make it through congress. We need to let our representatives know where we stand on this issue.
To let them know that they will be out of a job if they do allow another AWB pass.

I'm not sure on the state level of repeals. I tend to think it was a more civil matter of just re-writing the laws already on the books. You can pass a law to rescind or nullify an earlier law. I think that would be more likely to happen.

 

[Sam1911]

You know that prohibition was alcohol and not gun related.

Um...yeah, I heard something about that.

It also comes closest to our greatest fear -- a total ban on possession or sale of a consumer item -- of any law on the books outside of the "War on Drugs." A ban so comprehensive they changed the Constitution to make it universal and as permanent as it possibly could be. And yet, it was repealed. That could be an instructive example, but it doesn't have to be if you prefer not.

At any rate, of course repeals are difficult and very unpleasant to fight for. Let's hope we don't get that far.

 

[oldbear]

3) If somehow this bill gets passed, 90%+ of those who voted for it would not be in office next election.

I really don't think this would happen. I believe there are three groups when it comes to firearms and shooting sports. A- those who believe that only the military and L/E should have firearms. B- Those of us who enjoy the shooting sports in one way or another. C- The majority of the population, who generally have no opinion on firearms unless it affects them right now.

Currently the A and B groups only compose a small portion of our society, and I don't foresee any changes in that anytime soon. So any elected office holder who votes for any weapons ban will loose and group B voters, but gain group A voters, and his Popularity with group C the largest percentage of his supporters generally will not change their opinion of him or her. In-fact with the hysteria following the tragedy in Newtown a portion of the C group may very well support some sort of what they believe is reasonable gun control.

 

[Texshooter]

Well, it might help if we had someone say they would go along with it if it included the same restrictions on the 1st A.

Words have killed as many people as any weapon.

Just call them out, it may have to be from the rooftops, on the facts.

 

[The_Shootist]

Of course. What else is he going to say? Calling on the cabinet to brainstorm some ideas is a long way from even seeing anything introduced in Congress.

Two possible outcomes:
1) They work hard, place a lot of focus on this, get something introduced, push it through committee, get it out for a vote, etc.
2) They "work on" this and solemnly let the public know that the President is "doing all he can." Meanwhile months pass, the furor dies down, things trickle out, get debated, get stalled in committee, and nothing much REAL ever comes of it.

Either outcome could be the real goal of the Executive, too. In politics, giving the impression of "doing something" is often both more beneficial and quite a bit safer than ACTUALLY accomplishing what you say you want to do.

Thinking the same thing - once January rolls around and fiscal issues pop into view, I'm wondering if we see the same focus on an AWB. Especially through the holidays and the notorius attention (deficit) span of the American public.

 

[Trent]

Thinking the same thing - once January rolls around and fiscal issues pop into view, I'm wondering if we see the same focus on an AWB. Especially through the holidays and the notorius attention (deficit) span of the American public.

Yes, we will.

One of my staffers compiled this today. It's chilling.

 

[Beach Nut]

I believe Obama and the Democrats have a good chance of getting a AWB through
the Senate. The House is the sticking point. If I had to predict what will happen
I believe an AWB gets through the Senate, gets stuck in the House and then
both chambers resolve the gun control issue with a watered down bill that
includes more regulation of face to face gun sales, background checks and waiting
periods for AW purchases and maybe a ban on the manufacture of high capacity
magazines. I'm not a prophet however and anything can happen.

 

[hk-sigman]

Unfortunately there are already a bunch of Pro-Gun senators and representatives that are saying that they have changed their view on an AWB. The horrible and senseless murders of 20 school children is enough to push many middle of the roaders to be against guns. For many politicians, their continued support of gun rights after this incident will mean that their political careers will be over in the next election. The media will see to that.

This incident will be enough to sound the death knell for gun rights in America.

 

[Trent]

POTUS speaking on news live now... about gun control.

 

[Trent]

... And he's calling for an assault weapons ban - "Military style weapons".. high capacity ammunition feeding devices... making private sales illegal... (to close "background check loophole")

 

[Trent]

Biden up next.