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I saw it yesterday, after the Oregon shooting. The disgust and disdain for the gun culture was palpable. He had fire in his eyes, he was pissed.

50 people were shot in Chicago over the weekend, where's the press conference on that? Where's the outrage?

He also said Illinois was one of the safest states due to its gun laws....lmao at that.
 
I think when anyone brings up this shooting or POTUS's approach to firearms we should point to Chicago and the higher rate of murder with caution. The murders in Oregon were carried out without any relationship between the murderer and the victims. It was not in a high crime neighborhood. In Chicago, none of these things are typically the case. Still, Chicago's strict gun prohibition rules point out that guns per se are not the root cause of violent crime and any solution that is going to push the rate of homicides down needs to be focused on the root causes of violence and not the mechanism.
 
This will get Political real quick and probably be shut down.

Our current administration has an agenda. That agenda has not changed. It will not change. They will slowly squeeze the life out of the pro-gun movement because most people in the USA really don't care about the 2A. Every time some nut does something like this it stirs the masses to action. They simply must do "something".
 
Our country is probably more pro gun now than it has ever been but it is a tenuous group that keeps us over in that majority.
Politics, peer pressure, and demographics could easily move them off our side or past the center in which they now occupy.
There is little reason and much emotion in BHO's call for what will ultimately be registration at the minimum. Today background checks have been done on many if not most of the mass shooters during his occupation of the White House but yet he wants it to be universal. Tens of thousands of felons have been refused sales of firearms but how many have been prosecuted?
He will be relentless on his pursuit of a gun control agenda during his remaining time in office and we'ed be foolish to downplay his capacity to screw things up given what he's accomplished to date.
 
Obama's response was laughable to us, but to many Americans he spoke sensibly. People can't seem to realize that all laws are made to be broken. Speed limits are laws and very few people stay within the law. There are laws against murder, theft, assault, etc and again, these laws are broken every day, often without any forethought or afterthought. It pains me to even think about the fact that modern man cannot grasp the truth that we have a problem with people, not the tools that people use.
 
In the land of the blind... the one-eyed man is king.
In the realm of the gun-free zone.....
 
I know this thread will get shut down. But a true leader would want to know how come there was no security at the college. How come none of the teachers or staff were armed to protect the students. And he would have said on National TV and to all of the media and to all the politicians that gun free zones are a complete failure and we should immediately repeal gun free zones and take a more proactive approach with arming and training teachers and staff as well as allowing students to have a means of defending themselves.

Our course we didn't hear that speech. If it we had a different leader, we might have. OK...you can shut the thread down.....and thanks....
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Of course this latest killer as with those before him broke law after law at nearly every step on his way to committing the ultimate, that of murder but none of those laws stopped him or even caused hardly a diversion.
In many ways our laws are partly to blame as in the case of the Fort Hood killer who was on the radar as a radical but PC kept him in his position, I'm certain that there are other cases in which killers were overlooked and even protected by Psyc doctors or family who for whatever reason didn't want to expose clients/kin to law enforcement, Aurora Shooter comes to mind as well as Sandy Hook.
 
The biggest hypocrisy is that Obama doesn't even know how this guy obtained his firearms, or whether any new legislation would have stopped him from getting them.

How did the terrorists in France obtain automatic weapons and RPGs? Certainly not legally.

Obama even admitted he is going to mouth off every time one of these tragedies happens. He is a grandstander and a spreader of fear, uncertainty and doubt. What kind of President tries to use tragedies to whip up fear among the populace?

How about "the only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." Even though, that was Roosevelt's own grandstanding and call to push his own agenda.

The news media was perfectly happy to spread misinformation too. Started out saying 7 killed, then 10 killed, and then all of them were parroting some other media source saying 13 killed and at least 20 injured.

When the facts came out, it appears that he killed 9, and he was the 10th dead....and there were no more than 10 others injured.

Knee jerk reactionism is the norm these days.
 
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Life has gotten better when I press the mute button, when Obama appears and begins to speak.
 
What To Do?

https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/02/do-strict-firearm-laws-give-states-lower

There would seem to be no real cause and effect shown in this article?

Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate"
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Which of those states have strict gun purchasing requirements?
 
Upon doing some seaching it does seem what while guns are not totally forbidden are difficult at best to legally obtain.
One gun store in the entire country??
 
No one has asked me but I can assure everyone that I have no wish to live in BHO's gun safe America since that utopia would require far to many freedom stifling laws for my taste.
I don't understand how people who agree with him can believe that other freedoms can't be attacked by the gov. just as easily.
 
Where's the rest of the story?

Understand someone (vet student) rushed the shooter and took hits in the takedown? Simply determined it was not going to happen to him w/o a fight?
My details from Facebook post; have not been able to verify; wonder what would have happened if he had been armed?
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It is my opinion...that Obama is venting his pent up anger....from the speech delivered by Netanyahu....which we all know he despises...and using the shooting in Oregon as an opportunity to distract the public from his other failings in the worlds eyes.....
 
Midwest, you’ve raised so interesting points, thanks.

There was a security officer on duty when the shootings happened, sadly, he/she was unable to take any action to stop this, as he/she was unarmed.
Teachers are trained and paid to teach not offer physical security; yes, there are some very real exceptions to this but not many. I find it very disturbing that our society as a whole has reached the point that your questions/comments even have to be asked. It’s a very far cry from the era I grew up in and a far cry from the area I spent 27 years as a police officer.

As to why POTUS did not admit that “gun free Zones” don’t work is simple. They don’t work, and to admit that he would have to admit that his vision of a better America may not be the start of the great society he and so many of his ilk have envisioned.

As for your suggestion about arming teachers, staff, and student. I’m so conflicted about that I will offer or further comments.
 
What happened yesterday was disgusting. It also isn't characteristic of the behavior of law-abiding and responsible gun owners. I think we all know that, but the public isn't thinking along those lines due to fear.

Unfortunately, the issue is rather simple and without any real solution: people sometimes do bad things. Laws don't stop everything from happening. And sometimes people who haven't done anything bad before suddenly decide to do something bad.
 
O clearly sees England and Australia as the models to follow.
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Perhaps our Australian members can correct me if I'm wrong (going from memory here) but the total population of the country at the time the "confiscation" (the government paid the owner for the turned in firearm) took place was about 17 million and the number of firearms collected was under a million - about 800,000 IIRC.

Compare that to our population of 320 million and with the high estimates of about 300 million firearms.

So those who propose that it IS possible to round up and confiscate 300 million firearms are also those who believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE to round up and deport 11 million illegal aliens.

Go figure...
 
Whatever happened to the President simply expressing sadness due to a tragedy but then basically saying "I have no comment on what happened until there's more information." Yah know, being cautious before pointing blame on a tragedy?

That used to happen, but now, nope. There's an immediate jump to conclusions.
 
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Whatever happened to the President simply expressing sadness due to a tragedy but then basically saying "I have no comment on what happened until there's more information." Yah know, being cautious before pointing blame on a tragedy?

That used to happen, but now, nope. There's an immediate jump to conclusions.
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because that doesnt further their agenda.....

youre dreaming if you think the Big O actually cares about the victims.....he just sees this as an excuse to try and pass more gun laws.

its blatantly apparent....he comes out minutes after a tragedy, and the first words out of his mouth are claiming how we need more laws........what a joke.
 
The biggest hypocrisy is that Obama doesn't even know how this guy obtained his firearms,
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ATF stated some were purchased by him legally, some were gifts from Family and friends.
 
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