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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by BBQJOE, Feb 20, 2013.

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  1. BBQJOE

    BBQJOE Member

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    I've got primers I bought the minute Bronco Bama was elected the first time.
    I've got a fair amount of brass.
    An old pro is going to school me on casting bullets real soon.
    I have a few lbs of powder.

    I load .44, 9mm, and .38 exclusively.

    Normally I stick with Unique, win231, or power pistol.

    My wife made her semi monthly 100 mi round trip to town today.
    She called and asked if there was anything I needed. I suggested maybe she stop at the gun store, (our LEO supply joint) and JFTH of it, see if they had any of our usual powders.
    Strangely enough, she said she had the same thought earlier.

    She just called and said no go on our normal menu, but he had something else. He told her it would be just fine for our calibers, it was just a little faster.

    I asked what it was. I could tell she was in a hurry. She said she didn't know. And instead of putting her through the paces of getting me the info and me looking it up in "the bible" I just told her to grab a few pounds if he had it.

    Given the current shortages on damn near everything, I figure at this point, anything in the stockpile can be adapted or worked with.

    I hope I made the right decision. Otherwise, I suppose I could sell it.

    I do feel like doing a happy dance though.:p
     
  2. klcmschlesinger

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    What was it?
     
  3. BBQJOE

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    Don't know. She isn't home yet.:D
     
  4. Powderman

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    OK...any news yet? There are a few powders I have seen on the Alliant website that do look promising.
     
  5. tightgroup tiger

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    Ok, How bout now
     
  6. BBQJOE

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    She came home with IMR 700X.
    My Lee Bible places it at the same burn rate as win 231, so I'd say she did alright.
    And bizarrely enough, the price of 14oz's @ $20, is just about what I paid over 4 years ago.
     
  7. twofifty

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    A very good powder for the 9 - your wife did well.
     
  8. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    Then you need a new bible.

    700X (#8) is faster then Bullseye (#9) on the burn rate chart.

    W-231 is (#23), just slightly slower then Unique (#25).

    rc
     
  9. MADDOG

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    I bought some Royal Scot D a while ago. It's working very well in my 9mm cast loads. I wonder what your getting.
     
  10. Ramone

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    I've used 700X for 9mm and .45ACP, and been pleased with the results.

    I did find it a bit dirty in light loads, but fine in normal to hot loads.
     
  11. ljnowell

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    700x has made some of my most accurate 45 acp loads. It doesnt meter worth a darn, but its a good clean burning powder.
     
  12. BBQJOE

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    I'm going to have to beg to differ with you sir.
    Both my Lee, and my Lyman show bullseye as faster than 231.
    700x is also slower than bullseye, with unique being slowest of all mentioned.

    But hey, both could be wrong. Lyman lists 1 as the fastest, and 97 as the slowest.
    Bullseye is at 3, 700x is at 7, 231 at 18, unique is at 20.

    Lee says bullseye is at 2, 231 at 11, 700x at 12, and unique at 22.
     
  13. rcmodel

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    I just looked at the Hodgdon burn rate chart, as they are the IMR 700X vendors who sell it and also W231.
    I kind figure they should know if anyone does.

    But regardless of who's burn rate chart you look at?
    700X is much faster then W231.

    Not the same burn rate as you stated your Lee book stated.

    rc
     
  14. FROGO207

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    I have kegs of 700-X and it does well for me in 9MM and 45 ACP also.
     
  15. jcwit

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    One of the largest burn rate charts out there

    http://www.reloadbench.com/burn.html

    Bullseye #6 on the chart
    231 Win #26 on the chart
    700X IMR is #28 on the chart

    Now the accuracy of the chart?????????????????????

    Hey, I read it on the net, but I'm not a French Model, Bonjour

    And yes hodgdon does rate 700X one step faster than Bullseye and they put 231 way down to #29????????????????????
     
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    Why is it then, that any reloading data you look at shows a Max load of 700X being less grains then a Max load of W231 with the same bullet??

    If it was the same or slower burning then W231, the Max load would be the same or higher then W231.

    But it never is.
    It's Always lower in any caliber, with any bullet weight.

    rc
     
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    I see that big chart I linked to is dated 1999 - 2004.

    Spose that might have something to do with it?

    Old data?

    Whether or no, follow the recipes in the reloading manuals, simple as that.
     
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    So which one is correct??? I'd be tempted to trust Hodgdon.
     
  19. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

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    So would I.

    Or any reloading manual from any publisher.

    Like I said, 700X max loads are Always lower grain weight then W-231 max loads.

    That right there is what I call a Clue when it comes to which one is faster burning.

    rc
     
  20. BBQJOE

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    I've been reloading for only about 5 years.
    I'm not near as anal/particular/calculating as the true analyst shooters out there.
    I don't shoot competition or any thing like that.
    If I can put a bullet where I choose within 25 to 50 feet, I figure that's fine since they say that the distance most gunfights happen is probably less than that, esp for pistol.
    I don't document pinpoint accuracy like some do, and I will never claim to be an expert. I can't see measuring speeds and such.

    Especially since I'm more focused on the worst case scenario of all of us being cut off from reloading supplies, or bullets period.

    So as far as I'm concerned, ANYTHING that will get a bullet out of the barrel with enough effectiveness to provide stopping power from an attack, is, well, good enough for me.

    I don't mean to start an argument or anything at all. It is kinda weird though how a number of these manual writers see things so differently.
     
  21. rcmodel

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    Hey!
    No problem.

    I wasn't trying to argue either.

    I just wanted to point out that 700X is not even close to the same burn rate or data as W-231.

    It will work just fine for your intended use.

    Just as long as you didn't confuse it with W-231 burn rate and try to use it with W-231 data.

    rc
     
  22. BBQJOE

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    I find it nuts that Lee has them right next to each other, and lyman has them like 11 apart.
    But nonetheless, IMR has their own data, and common sense says to me to start with that.

    Thanks.
    Joe
     
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    I'll side with rcmodel, to much experience to take into account.
     
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    I'll side with twofifty. Those look like good ribs.
     
  25. ArchAngelCD

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    discussions like this happen all the time because all those charts are not actual set in stone burn rates, they are relative burn rates which are dependent upon the cartridge being tested.

    700X is a shotgun powder unlike W231/HP-38 which is a dedicated handgun powder. I agree any port in a storm but don't confuse 700X with a slower powder, it's an extremely fast powder in the real world, not matter what some chart says.

    No reason to doubt the load data in favor of a chart. Like "rc" said, every single example of charge weights between 700X and W231 the charge weights of W231 are higher.
     
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